Anyone else notice the dry spell?

[Innersight]

I think I found nsfw mods on Nexus and Loverslab almost everyday for most of the time it was live until the 26th when SirJamesio's Felbat hit the floor. Even seeing about 10 mods dropping in the last 2 or 3 days up to that point. But for the last five days the fields have been completely barren.

 

Not trying to doomsay or anything. but does anyone have something to water the fields with?

[Lognatz]

I did note this too, but I don't think it's anything to worry about, momentum always slows down eventually.

[BigMac9632]

I was noticing the same, I typically check daily and yeah, it seemed like a grinding halt lol

[venomr]

I think it didn't help that people criticized some of the newer modders and that scared them off before they could improve.

[marno]

I guess we won’t know for certain if the modding community is truely dead until the developers release new content.  If no new models come out then, then we can probably assume that they don’t want to have anything to do with the game anymore.

[BigMac9632]

17 minutes ago, marno said:

I guess we won’t know for certain if the modding community is truely dead until the developers release new content.  If no new models come out then, then we can probably assume that they don’t want to have anything to do with the game anymore.

I hope it isn't dead I really like and appreciate a lot of what modders bring to the table, even if its one that may not be my cup-o-tea so to speak, I still respect the skill and motivation as its something I clearly don't have

[Innersight]

31 minutes ago, venomr said:

I think it didn't help that people criticized some of the newer modders and that scared them off before they could improve.

I've been trying to send good vibes to every creator that's been kind enough to grace us with their gifts. It's true though that some people get a little dismissive with artists that didn't make the mod specifically tailored to their own desires.

 

Way i see it every mod is good. Whether it's for anthro or feral, male or female, for pals or humans. If it's something I'm not personally into then that's fine; someone else will love it. There's no reason everyone can't be happy so long as they're patient.

[OnceAPotato]

PSC is is still being worked on. 

But the problem is multifaceted. 

With no framework ready for wider use, the most people can really do is models. 

We have models out the ass, albeit in varying quality and not for every pal. But with no framework, there's nothing to do with said models aside from look at them. 

Basically, you need a framework, then models, then animations for those models. 

 

[Innersight]

1 hour ago, OnceAPotato said:

PSC is is still being worked on. 

But the problem is multifaceted. 

With no framework ready for wider use, the most people can really do is models. 

We have models out the ass, albeit in varying quality and not for every pal. But with no framework, there's nothing to do with said models aside from look at them. 

Basically, you need a framework, then models, then animations for those models. 

 

When I made the initial post I was just thinking of basic model-altering mods - genitals mostly. It's what we've mostly grown used to (and what I feel is the first major step - applying the models with attractive gender-apparent visuals).

There's been a few moments in the past few days where artists have showcased their WIPs though. Which were pretty cool.

I thought more artists would have updated their models to be OK-compatible in the last few days - or released more models as they've been showing off the goodies.

 

I am looking forward to whatever PSC is coming out with though. I've seen the wips Salamansky and Zeta were putting together and was pretty stoked for how they'll use it. I don't know how long that'll be though. I have no frame of reference for time of it. But it has to be complex with such a tightly-packed bookshelf of information PSC's thread displayed so I'm assuming that'll be a while.

 

Edit: Ironically while I was in the middle of making this post Fjolt came up and released 2 Palworld mods

 

Edited March 3, 2024 by Innersight

[OnceAPotato]

Fair enough, mate. I still think a lot more will start popping up once there's a framework that can be built around. Once people know what and how to build things to actually do a thing, it's easier to feel motivated. 

I do wish more models were made OK compatible, though. Lots of good shit that's not, sadly.

[Thermite Dragon]

The honeymoon period if over.

 

There's going to be a number of people who jumped on the modding scene because Palworld was the Next Big Thing(tm), and now that it's simmering down to a more reasonable (and sustainable) level of popularity some of them have lost interest in modding it, while others have shifted to a more reasonable and sustainable rate of modding.

 

I think the "dry spell" is a good thing, because it's likely we'll start seeing less mod releases but better mod releases as people are feeling less rushed to get their mods out the door while the game is still the super amazing hotness.  (Not to say that we weren't already getting good mods, of course)

Edited March 4, 2024 by Thermite Dragon
clarification

[BigMac9632]

5 minutes ago, Thermite Dragon said:

I think the "dry spell" is a good thing, because it's likely we'll start seeing less mod releases but better mod releases as people are feeling less rushed to get their mods out the door while the game is still the super amazing hotness.

A fair point I didnt really consider, Hope so

[zileteh]

Lots of the focus has been going towards dev work for bigger things, like getting custom animations in game, making it easier to map animations to skeletons or custom skeletons. You can bet your ass that as soon as "you can have custom models with custom skeletons without breaking everything" and "you can have custom animations that are simple to make and can be initiated by custom game logic in a user friendly way" are both figured out, there'll likely be a flood of new models and content being made.

It's also highly likely that whenever a generally usable custom animation framework comes out, the models will need to be re-done to make them compatible anyways - so it might be less effort to wait a bit and let the scene develop before putting in the effort to make something.

[Innersight]

54 minutes ago, zileteh said:

Lots of the focus has been going towards dev work for bigger things, like getting custom animations in game, making it easier to map animations to skeletons or custom skeletons. You can bet your ass that as soon as "you can have custom models with custom skeletons without breaking everything" and "you can have custom animations that are simple to make and can be initiated by custom game logic in a user friendly way" are both figured out, there'll likely be a flood of new models and content being made.

It's also highly likely that whenever a generally usable custom animation framework comes out, the models will need to be re-done to make them compatible anyways - so it might be less effort to wait a bit and let the scene develop before putting in the effort to make something.

Oh yeah fair point. Though adjusting some bits to line up probably won't be too much work. As long as there's an agreed standard on genital positioning.

[bicobus]

On 3/3/2024 at 3:37 AM, Innersight said:

I think I found nsfw mods on Nexus and Loverslab almost everyday for most of the time it was live until the 26th when SirJamesio's Felbat hit the floor. Even seeing about 10 mods dropping in the last 2 or 3 days up to that point. But for the last five days the fields have been completely barren.

 

Not trying to doomsay or anything. but does anyone have something to water the fields with?

Anything substantial takes time to make. The initial release spur of NSFW models are the low hanging fruits. If you want to add stuff to the game in a meaningful way, you need some form of framework. For instance, how would you go about adding a new pal?

[Innersight]

23 minutes ago, bicobus said:

Anything substantial takes time to make. The initial release spur of NSFW models are the low hanging fruits. If you want to add stuff to the game in a meaningful way, you need some form of framework. For instance, how would you go about adding a new pal?

I don't know if I'd refer to modeling as the low hanging fruit. They're doubtlessly the most important type of mod to exist on the nsfw mod spectrum. Albeit far simpler to create than a whole framework.

 

Don't take this as entitled expectations or anything, but I just can't help but see the list of pals that haven't mods yet. I even offered to pay some of them but nothing bit.

[bicobus]

1 hour ago, Innersight said:

I don't know if I'd refer to modeling as the low hanging fruit.

It really is. You can create a bunch of assets and models, but without the know how to apply them, they're useless. Creating content, as in story and lore, interaction with the world, gameplay, is an entirely different beast. A beast that does not require to create any new asset per say. Here we already have a world, all that was required was for people to modify or replace existing stuff. That's a low hanging fruit, requires knowledge in modelling, sure, but that's all it takes. If you want to create the equivalent to Wyrmstooth, though, it's another story.

[Innersight]

5 minutes ago, bicobus said:

It really is. You can create a bunch of assets and models, but without the know how to apply them, they're useless. Creating content, as in story and lore, interaction with the world, gameplay, is an entirely different beast. A beast that does not require to create any new asset per say. Here we already have a world, all that was required was for people to modify or replace existing stuff. That's a low hanging fruit, requires knowledge in modelling, sure, but that's all it takes. If you want to create the equivalent to Wyrmstooth, though, it's another story.

I completely understand why you see it that way. I agree that the work they put into making a completely new machine takes a lot more time and effort than making and replacing a cog. Never would I say they don't deserve praise for going the extra mile.

 

But I also see the picture a little differently in the sense that without the lewd models the complicated lewd frameworks - regardless of the fact that they're going to take far more effort and time - are pointless. You need to make nude mods before you make the characters have sex or it's just two clothed individuals.

 

I see the sexual frameworks as valuable avenues to use the lewd models in more interesting ways. While without the frameworks it's just basic eye candy (though strangely not very out of place in this game).

 

When I say it shouldn't be considered low hanging fruit I mean it in the sense that nudity is the most required mod one need as a base. The rest (urination, sex, etc) all follow on the assumption that the characters or pals will be nude.

[OnceAPotato]

Not quoting anyone specific, but models and frameworks are two different skillsets that can interact. Same for animating. Each one on it's own can be a fun addition, but it's when you add all three that you get something truly magnificent. Models are not, inherently, low hanging fruit. 

I do, however, feel like a lot of the early models that just slapped a borderline stock asset human dick and human tits on everything without rhyme or reason, or even respect to the OG design, could fall into the descriptor though. Not all, some were well made, but a lot just screamed low effort content. Thankfully as time's passed we've gotten better and better models.

[Jamesflaaa111]

probably late to this but anything decent to fap to takes time. lets be honest thats what yall want lol. i love how many models we have currently and am patiently waiting to see more and here we are noticing more and more genuinely good ones as i like the ones that are just the original skins with penis+vagina actually showing. i dont care much for the reskins except for one i got that i kinda prefer though i do hope people can work on physics of the models rather than just crapping them out. i want penis models that dont bust through the characters legs, and boobs that dont phase through arms lol. i think we also need to keep in mind waiting for updates that dont break the game any further. the updates we have had have been kinda ass and broke the game to be pointlessly frustrating(the heat update for instance, heat stacks and it sucks unless you have at least 2 heat undershirts x1 or can somehow get dungeons working without crashing to get heat undershirt x2, which good luck with that. i've been trying for a good while and they either crash while i load in or half way through the dungeon and when i load back in none of the chests give anything).

 

long story short, give people time to cook. good things cum to those who wait

Edited March 5, 2024 by Jamesflaaa111

[Jamesflaaa111]

1 hour ago, OnceAPotato said:

Not quoting anyone specific, but models and frameworks are two different skillsets that can interact. Same for animating. Each one on it's own can be a fun addition, but it's when you add all three that you get something truly magnificent. Models are not, inherently, low hanging fruit. 

I do, however, feel like a lot of the early models that just slapped a borderline stock asset human dick and human tits on everything without rhyme or reason, or even respect to the OG design, could fall into the descriptor though. Not all, some were well made, but a lot just screamed low effort content. Thankfully as time's passed we've gotten better and better models.

i disagree on this one. i actually like when they have the cocks/pussys and are just the same skin. the reskins get a bit... weird and dont make me think of the pal when i think of the mod. if i wanted a reskin mod i'd look for a reskin mod, i just want ones with cocks/pussies. and animations in the future would be nice too but thats gonna take a while

[Innersight]

11 hours ago, OnceAPotato said:

I do, however, feel like a lot of the early models that just slapped a borderline stock asset human dick and human tits on everything without rhyme or reason, or even respect to the OG design, could fall into the descriptor though. Not all, some were well made, but a lot just screamed low effort content. Thankfully as time's passed we've gotten better and better models.

It's important to remember that some people prefer human dicks. It feels like an odd preference on a feral to me too, but it's that way because that's what they wanted. Not because they were lazy.

 

It might be a gateway drug sorta thing xD

[venomr]

14 hours ago, OnceAPotato said:

I do, however, feel like a lot of the early models that just slapped a borderline stock asset human dick and human tits on everything without rhyme or reason, or even respect to the OG design, could fall into the descriptor though. Not all, some were well made, but a lot just screamed low effort content. Thankfully as time's passed we've gotten better and better models.

 

I haven't done any serous 3d modeling in at least 15 years, but it seems the process hasn't  changed much when it comes to adding breasts ( still gotta cave in the chest and add spheres, then reshape the spheres)

 

Hearing you talk this way reminds me of when people who don't draw think that "all you have to do is scribble onto a blank canvas in photoshop and click a few filters to create a masterpiece," when actually there's a lot of manual editing involved behind the scenes.

 

 

 

[BigMac9632]

16 minutes ago, venomr said:

 

I haven't done any serous 3d modeling in at least 15 years, but it seems the process hasn't  changed much when it comes to adding breasts ( still gotta cave in the chest and add spheres, then reshape the spheres)

 

Hearing you talk this way reminds me of when people who don't draw think that "all you have to do is scribble onto a blank canvas in photoshop and click a few filters to create a masterpiece," when actually there's a lot of manual editing involved behind the scenes.

 

 

 

Maan, I wish I had the energy and discipline to learn modeling better. Ive made 2 models, not palworld related, just models in general. But one is decent, probably something that needs fixed or could be refined by someone more experienced. Another I am pretty proud of, but I cant get the skeleton/weight painting to function right, so its on the backburner, probably indefinitely. Then I have a model i commissioned and got pseudo scammed out of so it is incomplete. but without paying someone to finish it, itll probably never see the light of day, ironically its a little similar to Verdash. by that i mean maybe 5% similarity, so not really at all xDD

 

[Innersight]

When people say "just slapping tits on things" it makes it sound like it's a simple copy-paste process. In a way it feels like a derogatory phrase meant to devalue someone's work.

When the simple truth is they're just not into it. It's not their thing.