PsychoMachina Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 Apparently Shezrie packed up and left Nexus and has uploaded all of her mods to Steam. If anyone is searching around for her mods, they can be located here: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198052871752/myworkshopfiles/?appid=72850&p=1 Hearthfires Kitchens Unique Taverns Hearthfires Greenhouses Shezrie's Breezehome
Guest carywinton Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 Yet another great talented person vacates the Nexus, I wonder how long it will be when no one with any talent or knowledge is left? Thanks for the update on this, I am not real confident on installing through Steam, but I guess it cannot be any worse than my butcher job of it, lol . I sent her a message inviting her here and letting her know she already had friends here that support her and would help her. She left the Nexus because she "felt uncomfortable there" , Go figure.
Rayblue Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 Some possible reasons: 1.) Modder/Nexus drama 2.) Cut off tech support away from players who use warez'd Skyrim 3.) Thought it would be easier to maintain mods on Steam 4.) Prevent mod theft 5.) Site server fuckups BTW, mods that have been uploaded to Steam, from what I heard (i.e. rumor), becomes Beth property.
Endiness Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 BTW, mods that have been uploaded to Steam, from what I heard, becomes Beth property. Spreading propaganda? Sure you can't do much if Beth uses your for in one of their games, but ideas aren't copyrightable to begin. Your own meshes, textures, and source code still belong to you, and no company (hopefully) would just copy/paste such things into a game. It would not fair well for them.
idonotlikeusernames Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 BTW, mods that have been uploaded to Steam, from what I heard, becomes Beth property. Spreading propaganda? Sure you can't do much if Beth uses your for in one of their games, but ideas aren't copyrightable to begin. Your own meshes, textures, and source code still belong to you, and no company (hopefully) would just copy/paste such things into a game. It would not fair well for them. On the contrary I could foresee it going quite well for them since they could. a) recruit the modder as a (temporary) employee and count on the new and eager employee to hand over their previous creations with relatively little fuss (a tactic used by Disney among others in the 30's). b ) Purchase the content from the modder at a considerably lower price then they would have had to pay their own employees or third party commercial developers to make something comparable c) Use it anyway and hope the modder doesn't want to risk initiating a lawsuit in the American courts due to the attendant costs. Since not many modders are likely to be able to afford even relatively competent legal counsel this is a statistically safe option especially given how many modders don't even live in the US and would likely have to incur travel expenses and lost income from their day jobs in their expenses in addition to the costs of competent legal counsel. d) If it does come to a lawsuit settle it with an NDA on top. If the content is good enough then even this might be cheaper than having to make/design it from scratch for themselves. Admittedly I don't think Bethsoft would resort to possibility c or d that's more up EA's alley but they are possibilities none the less.
Endiness Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 "Mod's belong to Beth" doesn't just imply to uploading to steam, which is what I think Rayblue was implying. If people truly fear of their creations no longer belonging to them, then they shouldn't upload mods anywhere. If anything, "Mods belong to Beth" just became an primary excuse to disregard and disrespect mod authors on many forums (I peruse a lot), when it is simply not the case. I'm digressing. All this increasing hate, just hate in general, is baffling. It's getting to the point where heresay takes the place of research. I don't know if it has always been this way.
Rayblue Posted November 3, 2013 Posted November 3, 2013 "Mod's belong to Beth" doesn't just imply to uploading to steam, which is what I think Rayblue was implying. If people truly fear of their creations no longer belonging to them, then they shouldn't upload mods anywhere. If anything, "Mods belong to Beth" just became an primary excuse to disregard and disrespect mod authors on many forums (I peruse a lot), when it is simply not the case. I'm digressing. All this increasing hate, just hate in general, is baffling. It's getting to the point where heresay takes the place of research. I don't know if it has always been this way. Can you tell me if the rumor is true or BS, because of the TL;DR legalese that makes it difficult to understand about who actually has control over a mod?
Endiness Posted November 4, 2013 Posted November 4, 2013 Actually, the eula is very short. The problem is the waiver for New Materials, but New Materials are only defined as things created WITH the creation kit. That's already one big grey area. It wouldn't be worth the time Beth to figure out what is actually original content worth ripping off to begin with. A lot of mods are already in breach of contract for creating content that are already infringing on the rights of others i.e. game rips, so I wouldn't worry about Beth.
Taskmaster Posted November 4, 2013 Posted November 4, 2013 Some possible reasons: 1.) Modder/Nexus drama 2.) Cut off tech support away from players who use warez'd Skyrim 3.) Thought it would be easier to maintain mods on Steam 4.) Prevent mod theft 5.) Site server fuckups BTW, mods that have been uploaded to Steam, from what I heard (i.e. rumor), becomes Beth property. 6.) Swastikas(with War in the title) in non Hinduism contexts, etc.
Dwiss Posted November 4, 2013 Posted November 4, 2013 @Vol2 Exactly that - same reason for me to leave the Nexus with my work. Regarding the ownership discussion: Ever heard of necro-threads? This rumor is like on of those - that issue has been longly debated in the past and also clarified many times already. The material used is the CK - that means anything created with the help of it remains Beth possesion. That does not include the outlying materials used like textures and/or meshes etc if you are the creator of those. So the esp/esm file you create cant be created without the CK - that material basically belongs to Beth. But not the bits and pieces to make up the entire thing. Those materials will always belong to the creator and/or right owner if its copyrighted material.
PsychoMachina Posted November 5, 2013 Author Posted November 5, 2013 @Vol2 Exactly that - same reason for me to leave the Nexus with my work. Regarding the ownership discussion: Ever heard of necro-threads? This rumor is like on of those - that issue has been longly debated in the past and also clarified many times already. The material used is the CK - that means anything created with the help of it remains Beth possesion. That does not include the outlying materials used like textures and/or meshes etc if you are the creator of those. So the esp/esm file you create cant be created without the CK - that material basically belongs to Beth. But not the bits and pieces to make up the entire thing. Those materials will always belong to the creator and/or right owner if its copyrighted material. So that mean the Unoffical Patches are Beth's property. Declaring ownership of someone else's work that should have been done by the devs.
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