nafeasonto Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 OKay guys I have a really weird issue. These are my system specs: I7 3770K 3.2 GHZ 32GB DD3 RAM GTX 670 Video Card. While in game, and this is completely random, but more action on the screen makes this happen faster: MY game just drops to 0.1 FPS, it's NOT frozen, but it's going moving so slow, it's like it's frozen. The GAME ITSELF is going slow. Meaning, then if I try to open up the console it takes FOREVER but once it's open I can type normally in it. Once it's closed it just continues to go slow. At first for awhile I thought the game was freezing but it wasn't, I kept the game on after it froze and when I came back i saw the screen changed, meaning my character moved, and then I just sat there and noticed stuff was still moving. So it's not frozen just stuck on a slide-show speed, it stops, 10 seconds later, one frame, and repeat. I can reload my save and the speed normalizes again, (it also takes forever just to get into the menu, but once I am in there I can normally navigate it without issue) but then it just starts doing that 0.1 FPS thing, when I exit the menu. Reloading the save works, but then it will start again. Now I had GPu-Z running, my GPU is not hitting the 2GB Vram limit either, the max it's getting to is 1028 MB. The version 670 I have has a a 2GB limit. The GPU is not overheating either, and the voltage is normal, and so is the speeds. This is completely weird and I have no idea why this is happening. This can happen with an unmodded game, or modded. It does NOT matter. NOW so everyone knows, this is the ONLY game this happens with. ALl my other heavy hitting games do NOT do this. This ONLY occurs in Skyrim. Has anyone else experienced this, and if so, what the heck on my computer could be causing this?
Lodakai Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 How much empty hard drive space do you have left? Are you running a lot of loose files? How many texture upgrades are you using?
CGi Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Sounds like some scripts are putting to much stress on the engine. Could be the result of an errornous savegame, a savegame containing errornous script data (like still running left overs) or simply to many mods that try to run scripts at the same time. Reduce the amount of scripted mods, using the uninstall functions of those mods (if available). Disable those mods in MO or uninstall them in NMM/Wrye, to get rid of the mods assets. Try again.
nafeasonto Posted October 25, 2013 Author Posted October 25, 2013 How much empty hard drive space do you have left? Are you running a lot of loose files? How many texture upgrades are you using? I have over 1TB of space left.
nafeasonto Posted October 25, 2013 Author Posted October 25, 2013 Sounds like some scripts are putting to much stress on the engine. Could be the result of an errornous savegame, a savegame containing errornous script data (like still running left overs) or simply to many mods that try to run scripts at the same time. Reduce the amount of scripted mods, using the uninstall functions of those mods (if available). Disable those mods in MO or uninstall them in NMM/Wrye, to get rid of the mods assets. Try again. I have very little amount of scripted mods. Most of the mods are new armor. So that's what's weird about this. Also would papyrus show the script errors? because i am getting zero errors in there.
Lodakai Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Well you can check the size of your saved game files. See if they seem bloated. You can try checking your cpu/gpu heat during play. Make sure no background processes are kicking in, such as windows update. Your VRAM may not be taxed.. but other pieces of hardware can cause loss of fps as well. Hard drive, CPU, etc.
nafeasonto Posted October 25, 2013 Author Posted October 25, 2013 Well you can check the size of your saved game files. See if they seem bloated. You can try checking your cpu/gpu heat during play. Make sure no background processes are kicking in, such as windows update. Your VRAM may not be taxed.. but other pieces of hardware can cause loss of fps as well. Hard drive, CPU, etc. Save game has been at a low 18mb and stable there. CPU is normal load temp. And i have a raid 0 of two drives.
Lodakai Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 OH... also.. you might want to check your power settings. Control Panel > Hardware and Sound > Power Options Make sure it is checked to high performance option.
CGi Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 I have very little amount of scripted mods. Most of the mods are new armor. So that's what's weird about this. Also would papyrus show the script errors? because i am getting zero errors in there. Could still be a script, that eats up to many cycles. if you tweaked the papyrus setting in the ini, revert them back to default. And just because you don't have many scripted mods, does not mean that they aren't running heavy scripts. F.e.: Footprints is a resource hugger on the papyrus engine. Small but heavy on the script load, if run together with other scripted mods, that trigger scripts at the same time. Otherwise, i second what Lodokai wrote about your GPU temperature. Keep an eye on it. if you don't run many hires texture mods, you can ignore the VRAM usage, else disable them and see if it helps.
nafeasonto Posted October 25, 2013 Author Posted October 25, 2013 OH... also.. you might want to check your power settings. Control Panel > Hardware and Sound > Power Options Make sure it is checked to high performance option. Aye it is.
Bootaka Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Random guess, have you tried to alt-tab while this is happening, does it change when you do? Do you have an antivirus running while you're playing?
Lodakai Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Ok check the NV control panel. IS the power management setting on "prefer Maximum performnce?" http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3130
nafeasonto Posted October 25, 2013 Author Posted October 25, 2013 Random guess, have you tried to alt-tab while this is happening, does it change when you do? Do you have an antivirus running while you're playing? Avast is compltely disabled all 8 shields. Ok check the NV control panel. IS the power management setting on "prefer Maximum performnce?" http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3130 Aye it is. Not on adaptive. Also Video card is not overheating. Fans are working normal. I can speed them up to 100%. Temperature is 70 Celsius, which is below normal load temp. I have very little amount of scripted mods. Most of the mods are new armor. So that's what's weird about this. Also would papyrus show the script errors? because i am getting zero errors in there. Could still be a script, that eats up to many cycles. if you tweaked the papyrus setting in the ini, revert them back to default. And just because you don't have many scripted mods, does not mean that they aren't running heavy scripts. F.e.: Footprints is a resource hugger on the papyrus engine. Small but heavy on the script load, if run together with other scripted mods, that trigger scripts at the same time. Otherwise, i second what Lodokai wrote about your GPU temperature. Keep an eye on it. if you don't run many hires texture mods, you can ignore the VRAM usage, else disable them and see if it helps. I will try defaulting Papyrus.
Lodakai Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Very odd.. drivers up to date? also for papyrus to log errors.. is your skyrim.ini file set up for error logging? [Papyrus] fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0 bEnableLogging=1 bEnableTrace=1 bLoadDebugInformation=1
nafeasonto Posted October 25, 2013 Author Posted October 25, 2013 Yes the log is on. No errors. At all. However when I defaulted the Papyrus settings, the delay freezes become longer, it's like 1FPS every 60 seconds instead of 10. If I do the settings from the INIs created by Esie, from the nexus the, 1 frame is 10 seconds apart. I guess it's something in there. But what? [Papyrus] fUpdateBudgetMS=800 fExtraTaskletBudgetMS=800 fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=2000 iMinMemoryPageSize=256 iMaxMemoryPageSize=512 iMaxAllocatedMemoryBytes=2457600 bEnableLogging=1 bEnableTrace=1 bLoadDebugInformation=1 It has to do with the timings, because if I screw with the timings things get weird. If I default them, the "freeze" becomes longer, if I make them bigger it becomes shorter till it's about 10 seconds apart. That's my theory at least. Can someone explain to me what the timing lines mean?
Lodakai Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Back up your INI files.. then Drop the update budget and tasklet budget down to 1.6 http://forum.step-project.com/showthread.php?tid=352 Edit: this specifically fExtraTaskletBudgetMD is how much time from one thread is redirected for running scripts. be careful with this one because if you allow one thread to rob another you may run into issues. Quote Majin662
CGi Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 I guess it's something in there. But what?[Papyrus]fUpdateBudgetMS=800fExtraTaskletBudgetMS=800fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=2000iMinMemoryPageSize=256iMaxMemoryPageSize=512iMaxAllocatedMemoryBytes=2457600bEnableLogging=1bEnableTrace=1bLoadDebugInformation=1 As for error tracking reasons, it doesn't matter.Your Papyrus settings are edited. Revert them back to default, so we know if it helped. You can tweak them again afterwards.
nafeasonto Posted October 25, 2013 Author Posted October 25, 2013 As for error tracking reasons, it doesn't matter. Your Papyrus settings are edited. Revert them back to default, so we know if it helped. You can tweak again afterwards. Yes i did default them before. Just showing you what they are after the edit.
CGi Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Why did you edit them then, if it worked before?Or did you tweak them, to solve the problem?Default should work, no matter what. Slow in some cases, but not with such low FPS. Start a new game and try to replicate the error with default papyrus settings, as i got the feeling, your savegame is errornous (has nothing to do with savegame bloat).
nafeasonto Posted October 25, 2013 Author Posted October 25, 2013 Why did you edit them then, if it worked before? Or did you tweak them, to solve the problem? Default should work, no matter what. Slow in some cases, but not with such low FPS. Start a new game and try to replicate the error with default papyrus setting, as i got the feeling, your savegame is errornous (has nothing to do with savegame bloat). Defaulted same issues. That's why the edit.
Lodakai Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Are you testing from a saved game or from a fresh game? (and in what area is the freeze/lag occuring)
CGi Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Defaulted same issues. That's why the edit. On a new game as well?
mclericp Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 1. You said ur GPU isnt overheating, What about CPU? 2. Do you have any software that throttles ur game? EG HP coolsense if u ever get that HP crap(hopefully no) 3. I remember sound issues cause massive fps drop to 1 and crashes the game. Idk but check ur sound drivers or find sound fix for skyrim. I remember setting the sound settings to a certain setting can solve this issue. 4. Did you try reinstalling from scratch?
Gᴀʟᴠᴀɴɪᴢᴇ Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Do you mind sharing your Skyrim Performance test? I might be able to further troubleshoot for you if you do. I was having very similar issues.
nafeasonto Posted October 25, 2013 Author Posted October 25, 2013 Are you testing from a saved game or from a fresh game? (and in what area is the freeze/lag occuring) This is my 5th fresh start. 1. You said ur GPU isnt overheating, What about CPU? 2. Do you have any software that throttles ur game? EG HP coolsense if u ever get that HP crap(hopefully no) 3. I remember sound issues cause massive fps drop to 1 and crashes the game. Idk but check ur sound drivers or find sound fix for skyrim. I remember setting the sound settings to a certain setting can solve this issue. 4. Did you try reinstalling from scratch? 1. CPU is not overheating. No where close. I have a aftermarket cpu fan and heatsink. WIth TWO 120MM fans (made for it.) attached to it, it stays very cool for a CPU. 2. No THorttle software. 3. That was the 44.1 KHZ fix, that doesn't work. 4. Five times Are you testing from a saved game or from a fresh game? (and in what area is the freeze/lag occuring) It doesn't matter the area it will happen anywhere.
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