Devious Core (with Sim Snatcher) and Wicked Whims

[appr3ntic3]

I only use Wicked Whims, however I really like the mod Sim Snatcher and since it requires Devious Core my question is:

• Is it okay to use both WW and DC, especially if I'll pretty much use DC for only the functionality of Sim Snatcher
• Or if no to the above statement: have I missed a WW version of Sim Snatcher?

Edited November 28, 2023 by appr3ntic3

[Angelus75]

1 hour ago, appr3ntic3 said:

I only use Wicked Whims, however I really like the mod Sim Snatcher and since it requires Devious Core my question is:

• Is it okay to use both WW and DC, especially if I'll pretty much use DC for only the functionality of Sim Snatcher
• Or if no to the above statement: have I missed a WW version of Sim Snatcher?

 

Found it ...

 

[MrGrey]

Is it really not compatible or is it programed to look for the mod and complain?

[Guest]

So...'Sim Snatcher', a kidnapping, extortion and human trafficking mod...some of the absolute worst aspects of humanity...and people want THAT in their game? Humanity is seriously fucked!

[nuggets111]

1 hour ago, Darkside_North said:

So...'Sim Snatcher', a kidnapping, extortion and human trafficking mod...some of the absolute worst aspects of humanity...and people want THAT in their game? Humanity is seriously fucked!

for the millionth time, i find it hilarious that people kink shame on a site like this. all it does is scream, "i have low self-esteem and need to make myself feel better".

[Gambit]

On 11/30/2023 at 8:13 PM, Darkside_North said:

So...'Sim Snatcher', a kidnapping, extortion and human trafficking mod...some of the absolute worst aspects of humanity...and people want THAT in their game? Humanity is seriously fucked!

 

Yes, humanity is all fucked up. 

There is already an enslavement mod for WW, by the way.

[poruan]

6 minutes ago, Gambit said:

 

Yes, humanity is all fucked up. 

There is already an enslavement mod for WW, by the way.

Which mod for enslavement  for WW?

[Gambit]

6 hours ago, poruan said:

Which mod for enslavement  for WW?

 

You have wicked perversion which can turn you into sex slave (with some doll transformation system or permanent debt features).

 

And maybe some new mod too :

 

But for the last one, I've no idea how it's working.

[Dovaklin]

On 11/30/2023 at 2:13 PM, Darkside_North said:

So...'Sim Snatcher', a kidnapping, extortion and human trafficking mod...some of the absolute worst aspects of humanity...and people want THAT in their game? Humanity is seriously fucked!

 

Let us not lose grip with the reality that these are role play mods. As much as the authors purport to create scenarios that remove autonomy, the entire functionality of these mods are based on consent. There is a hard limit to how functionally these "features' can be integrated into WW and all of them require giving these dolls traits that one would be hard pressed to achieve without this added code.

 

Mod authors really should be more careful with the wording they use in the promotion of their art. Role-playing mods are a slippery slope in a video game where consent is manufactured by design.

 

From what I understand, this is why the authors of WW and DD no longer work together. One puts in specific elements of code to structure consent and prevent the exploitation of role-plays where consent can not be reasonably assumed possible.

Edited December 4, 2023 by Dovaklin
Updated for explanation

[Gambit]

On 12/4/2023 at 4:32 PM, Dovaklin said:

From what I understand, this is why the authors of WW and DD no longer work together. One puts in specific elements of code to structure consent and prevent the exploitation of role-plays where consent can not be reasonably assumed possible.

 

Computer programs haven't any free will so the notion of consent or non consent have no meaning at all to a software or an algorythm (for now)... Players consent to play as the games+mods developpers consent to allow them to do. For the aspect of roleplay, adding some "unconsent" features in a game isn't more uncanny than IRL BDSM where real people consents to play sex games assuming unconsented acts.

[Dovaklin]

8 hours ago, Gambit said:

 

Computer programs haven't any free will so the notion of consent or non consent have no meaning at all to a software or an algorythm (for now)... Players consent to play as the games+mods developpers consent to allow them to do. For the aspect of roleplay, adding some "unconsent" features in a game isn't more uncanny than IRL BDSM where real people consents to play sex games assuming unconsented acts.

 

The issue isn't the role-play between individuals that IRL one might be able to reasonably imagine consenting, but between individuals that IRL could not legally consent that is of concern and is at the root of the problem.

[Maverick83]

WW and DD are cut with the same knife from the same cake. Complaining about one but using the other mod would be just hypocrite. Stop whining about morality and if you dont like the game mod then dont use it. Those new era ppl who like to put social pressure are the worst. 

WW: Is a mod that allows sex in the sims 4. Also has approved mods like Nisas whicked to have prostitutes, succubus, slaves, etc, etc. And he also have a patch for using nisa and ww with teens.

DD: Has the same features as WW and Nisas (but the succubus thing) but also add more dark subjects as role play like rape and other things. BUT, all of the features are optional. You can just select the modules you want and leave the rest.

As for sim snatch mod from DD, it does not have sex related. Its just a mod to kidnap sims and make them work for you. NO sex slavery like Nisas wicked pervertions; and yeah, they not compatible as both mods uses different rig and code. 

 

And for those who say MCCC is not compatible with DD. Ive been using both with no trouble at all, and in my opinion, i dont regret i changed WW with DD.