Racemenu - Abnormal Long Neck Issue

[NCK30]

Hi Folks,

 

I have had this follower for a long time thanks to my buddy Zeus94/Aslan.

 

But when I made her she was exported with an abnormal long neck. Zeus94 used many skeletal sliders which I set to default values.

 

No matter what I do I can't reduce the neck length and have resorted to give her long hairs to hide the issue.

 

 

Anybody know a solution to this issue?

 

Maybe something at Zeus94's end that did this? Skeleton issue maybe?

 

 

Here is the sculpt menu with Lucyah. See the long neck. Should only be half the length. Weird that the preset beside does not seem to have the long neck.

 

Something is defiantly wrong with the sculpt export. See my follower below to see the long neck.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 4, 2023 by NCK30

[Andy14]

52 minutes ago, NCK30 said:

Hi Folks,

 

I have had this follower for a long time thanks to my buddy Zeus94/Aslan.

 

But when I made her she was exported with an abnormal long neck. Zeus94 used many skeletal sliders which I set to default values.

 

No matter what I do I can't reduce the neck length and have resorted to give her long hairs to hide the issue.

 

 

Anybody know a solution to this issue?

 

Maybe something at Zeus94's end that did this? Skeleton issue maybe?

 

 

Here is the sculpt menu with Lucyah. See the long neck. Should only be half the length. Weird that the preset beside does not seem to have the long neck.

 

Something is defiantly wrong with the sculpt export. See my follower below to see the long neck.

 

 

 

 

 

If you upload the nif then i could try to correct it in OS.

[NCK30]

Here are my Racemenu related stuff from SKSE (dds, jslot, nif and npc creation kit file).

 

Also my actual Facegen from meshes (00005911.nif) which I have in a merged esp file.

 

 

You should concentrate on the 00005911.nif.

 

 

Thanks!!

Lucyah.dds Lucyah.jslot Lucyah.NIF lucyah.npc 00005911.NIF

Edited August 4, 2023 by NCK30

[NCK30]

Here are the original files from Zeus94.

 

Available from here

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/100807

 

 

The Beauty Lucyah 2.0.dds The Beauty Lucyah 2.0.nif The Beauty Lucyah 2.0.jslot

[Andy14]

1 hour ago, NCK30 said:

Here are my Racemenu related stuff from SKSE (dds, jslot, nif and npc creation kit file).

 

Also my actual Facegen from meshes (00005911.nif) which I have in a merged esp file.

 

 

You should concentrate on the 00005911.nif.

 

 

Thanks!!

Lucyah.dds 16 MB · 0 downloads Lucyah.jslot 146.49 kB · 0 downloads Lucyah.NIF 2.34 MB · 0 downloads lucyah.npc 1.56 kB · 0 downloads 00005911.NIF 3.68 MB · 0 downloads

First try

00005911.NIF

[NCK30]

Hot damn. You almost solved my long standing problem. Just tested. Very small neck gap (Pic 1) 

 

New issue. Head is below hairs. So hairs float a bit now. (Pic 2 and 3). tested with 5 different hairs.

 

 

Did You manually edit the vertices? - Please tell me the secret behind your wizardry?

 

 

Edited August 4, 2023 by NCK30

[NCK30]

Head seems small now on that body. You did not edit the head, right?

 

Sorry. Just used to see that big ass neck on her. Maybe it's that which confuses me.

 

Also shorter hair.

[Guest]

Compare it to the melons in both pictures, bro.

 

It's probably because of the short hair, it makes a huge difference.

 

Head looks still the same size.

 

[Andy14]

1 hour ago, NCK30 said:

Did You manually edit the vertices? - Please tell me the secret behind your wizardry?

Import the nif into OS. Additionally, import default femalehead as a comparison option.
Then mask the lower vertices of Head mesh so that they are not changed.
Then use the F key to show the gizmo cursor and move all meshes (except the default femalehead) down a bit.
Then expand the mask and move it back down with Gizmo cursor.
Masks can be reduced and expanded with key A and key D.
Finally, delete the default femalehead and export everything as NIF.

 

Quote

New issue. Head is below hairs

The problem is that the head overall is a bit smaller than normal. So the author simply lengthened the neck to get around the hair issue. It might be enough to lift the top of the skull a little using the technique described above.

Edited August 4, 2023 by Andy14

[Andy14]

You can test this version. Here I moved the head bone down on the Z-axis in OS.

 

00005911_bone_scale_version.7z

[NCK30]

Back to the drawing board. Face is the roof now (Literally). Hair is still above the skull.

 

Could we mask some of the neck and scale the head bigger? - I know from Zeus94 preset that he had the head at scale 1.12.

 

We need the face back in Lucyah to start with. 

 

[Andy14]

The Differenz
 

Spoiler

Mask and Gizmo
 

Spoiler

 

 

The Result
 

Spoiler

The Result as nif
00005911_v3.NIF

[NCK30]

No dice. Now she looks like an alien. Head through the hair or large forehead.

 

 

What about scaling the head like Racemenu do to 1.12, so proportions stay the same. And the nose goes up like Vanilla head. I know Outfit Studio can do it.

 

Maybe mask the neck up to where it become wider.

 

 

Alternatively make the entire head/face longer instead of just the forehead, so it looks more natural.

 

 

Weird that Zeus94 would have a smaller head than Vanilla. Something must have been strange with his head.nif.

 

 

[Guest]

Here she is in my game, she's a real sweetheart. Head size 1.12. Head down 1.10. But of course it gets not exported. Can't fix it for now.

You could grab the last pic and ask at nexus for help. Maybe there is someone who has already done something like this.

And thx for pointing me to this. The cosio preset is nice.

 

Ah yes, i tried scaling the head with outfit studio, but it didn't worked. Racemenu refuses to load the file.

 

Spoiler

 

Edited August 5, 2023 by Guest

[Guest]

Maybe you can solve the problem by using an custom skeleton for her. You need to make a new race for this.

And then you can change the head to body ratio.

 

 

Don't ask me how, need to research more.

[NCK30]

51 minutes ago, ZcKeZcKT said:

Here she is in my game, she's a real sweetheart. Head size 1.12. Head down 1.10. But of course it gets not exported. Can't fix it for now.

You could grab the last pic and ask at nexus for help. Maybe there is someone who has already done something like this.

And thx for pointing me to this. The cosio preset is nice.

 

Ah yes, i tried scaling the head with outfit studio, but it didn't worked. Racemenu refuses to load the file.

 

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She even looks like Sofia with Leyenda skin. Let's see what Andy comes up with.

 

If the issue cannot be solved this is not so bad with this hair. Long neck is not so visible.

 

Of course it would be nice to use other hairs.

 

[Guest]

The custom race with her own skeleton is a good way to solve it.

 

These head size slider in racemenu seems to modifiy directly the skeleton, thats why it does not export it.

 

We need a tutorial how to change the head body ratio. I can't find anything about it.

[Guest]

 

Did you fall asleep?

 

With this it could be possibly fixed. Need to make the esp with race and all first.

 

Edit:

 

It works. Tested it on the preset.

 

Head is bigger, Neck shorter without changing any slider in racemenu.

 

So all you have to do, is making a new race (skeleton) for her and change the head/neck size in her skeleton.

 

Head --> size 1.1200 // Neck --> Z -0.5000 in skeleton looks good ingame.

 

 

Edited August 5, 2023 by Guest

[NCK30]

Nah. I played Skyrim Thieves Guild. Finished that.

 

 

Ah ha. How do You do that? - Have not played around with races before.

 

This video shows which values need to be changed. But how do You tie that skeleton to her race.

 

In Creation Kit/TES5Edit I would guess.

[Guest]

Updated the post. How you can play skyrim now?

 

The race is needed to get an own skeleton for her.

 

I never have done follower work with own race before, but can probably do it.

 

Which version we should go for, my, yours? I don't know.

 

Im not sure if i have all the right mods in my version. The eyeshadow seems different.

[Andy14]

4 hours ago, NCK30 said:

No dice. Now she looks like an alien. Head through the hair or large forehead.

I would use the first version I uploaded.

Then I would sculpt the head (top) in RaceMenu to match the hair.

Because in contrast to OS, you can see everything live in RaceMenu - in OS I can only guess.

 

PS: I'm not following the topic here. So it would be better to use the quote function, otherwise I won't know when someone answers me.

[NCK30]

20 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

I would use the first version I uploaded.

Then I would sculpt the head (top) in RaceMenu to match the hair.

Because in contrast to OS, you can see everything live in RaceMenu - in OS I can only guess.

 

PS: I'm not following the topic here. So it would be better to use the quote function, otherwise I won't know when someone answers me.

 

Thanks. You fixed the neck. Let's see if I can fix the head.

[Guest]

What now? If you want it clean, then we make a new race and change the skeleton.

I need the facetint and texture stuff from you, then i will begin with the work.

Or give me the eye make up she uses in your version and then we go for my version

with cosio + leyenda skin like in the pictures.

[NCK30]

7 minutes ago, ZcKeZcKT said:

What now? If you want it clean, then we make a new race and change the skeleton.

I need the facetint and texture stuff from you, then i will begin with the work.

Or give me the eye make up she uses in your version and then we go for my version

with cosio + leyenda skin like in the pictures.

 

I want her to use Bijin skin. That reminds me most of Zeus94's version.

 

She looks like Sofia with Leyenda. Let's save that for Sofia when You release her. You can just use Leyenda on your own install.

 

 

I will first try if I can adjust the head with Outfit Studio. Because I can't import Andy's nif in Racemenu. She looks like a nightmare when I import.

 

If I can't make it work then we try the race thing.

 

 

Anyway I will provide my meshes and textures for Lucyah in our PM later.

[Guest]

Makes no difference for what we go. The esp can be already created and the race deleted later. Esp is 50% finished.

 

Where does she look like Sofia? Whether you want to hear it or not, mine is closer to the original. Anyway, you decide.

 

Edit:

 

Esp is done. Need the files for further work.

 

Export the head + Eden hair again with Racemenu. There are much Dint HDT hair entries in the original mesh from Aslan.

 

And don't forget telling me the right skin colour. Play a round Skyrim now.

Edited August 5, 2023 by Guest