Problem with positions

[HentaiProdigy]

Hi guys!

 

Going straight to the point this time: When I change to some positions through the use of the Z (grab) button, there are some positions that ALWAYS make the lower body of the male/the futa disappear, and staying so until the act is finished, when they suddenly have their junk and legs back again. It's always the same positions, and there's even been instances when the lower body reappears when I've gone through them all and they start over. For example, when "playing rough", the body ALWAYS disappear when I get to the fourth position, and stay gone after that, except for a few times when it reappears when I'm back to the first one again.

 

What could cause this? Missing textures? Shouldn't be, since "motions" doesn't switch textures, right? Am I using the wrong skeleton? Is the motion ini weird? Any help would be appreciated!

 

Load order if needed:

 

00  Oblivion.esm
01  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm
02  x117race.esm
03  Lovers with PK.esm
04  TamagoClub.esm
05  HiyokoClub.esm
06  LoversCreature.esm
07  BreakUndies.esm
08  Chanpon.esm
09  ShieldOnBack.esm  [Version 3.4.1]
0A  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.4.4]
0B  UOPS Additional Changes.esp
0C  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
0D  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0E  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.5.2]
++  1HweaponOnBack.esp  [Version 1.0]
0F  Living Economy.esp
10  Living Economy - Items.esp
11  Cutthroat Merchants.esp
12  Populated Prisons.esp
13  DLCHorseArmor.esp
14  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.8]
15  DLCOrrery.esp
16  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
17  DLCVileLair.esp
18  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
19  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
1A  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]
1B  DLCSpellTomes.esp
++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
++  MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp
1C  VipCxj_HighHeels.esp
1D  VipCxjHHTest.esp
1E  MaternityClothes.esp
1F  BlessedMageKnightDress.esp
20  Blue and White.esp
21  Dynasty.esp
22  Dungeon Explorer.esp
23  Elwing.esp
24  GGBDDCW.esp
25  HentaiSeraphimArmour.esp
26  Iron Maiden Set.esp
27  MakotoOutfit.esp
28  MechaFox.esp
29  New Frostmourne Sword by Jojjo v1_0.esp
2A  Silverlight Armor by Jojjo.esp
2B  Tyrael Armor.esp
2C  Warglaives by Jojjo v1.0.SoB.esp  [Version 1.0]
2D  Birdy.esp
2E  Diva.esp
2F  DMRA BBB Complete Clothing and Armor Replacer.esp
30  DMRA BBB Knights of the Nine Replacer.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: Knights.esp
31  FWAD.esp
32  Neo's Morrigan.esp
33  OHTeMheavy2.esp
34  R18PN - Bs Bondage.esp
35  R18PN - Eisen Platte Armor.esp
36  Sexy Ghost Armor.esp
37  SwordDancerRemodel.esp
38  WomanWarriorset.esp
39  DMRA BBB Woman Warrior Set.esp
3A  DMRASexyGhostArmor.esp
3B  Mandorla.esp
3C  AncientGuardianRobe.esp
3D  DLCThievesDen.esp
3E  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.11]
3F  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.11]
40  AdrenalineOblivion-SupportElements.esp
41  AdrenalineOblivion-SpawnElement.esp
42  Smarter Bandits.esp
43  Bandit Hideouts.esp
44  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
45  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.8]
46  DLCFrostcrag.esp
47  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.8]
48  Knights.esp
49  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.3]
4A  TamagoPlayerHUDkil.esp
4B  TamagoBreak.esp
4C  TamagoShop.esp
4D  TamagoTopic.esp
4E  TamagoConfide.esp
4F  LoversTamagoClub.esp
50  LoversHiyokoShooter.esp
51  LoversEncounter.esp
52  HiyokoGenetics.esp
53  HiyokoGenerator.esp
54  HiyokoGeneratorCreature.esp
55  TamagoSetBody.esp
56  LoversAphrodisia.esp
57  LoversAphrodisiaHUD.esp
58  LoversProstitute.esp  [Version 0.25a]
59  LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp
5A  LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp
5B  LoversRaperS.esp
5C  LoversJoburg.esp
5D  LoversJoburg NoDelay Addon.esp
5E  LoversBed.esp
5F  LoversPayBandit.esp
60  Lovers with PK.esp  [Version 96]
61  LoversBitch.esp
62  LoversCreature.esp
63  LoversSoundCreature.esp  [Version 0.1.0]
64  LoversCalm.esp
65  Lovers with PK Extender.esp  [Version 2.4.3]
66  LoversCreatureCompanion.esp
67  LoversSpermSplashEx.esp
68  LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp
69  LoversRapeSlave.esp
6A  LoversMagic.esp
6B  LoversSlaveTrader.esp
6C  LoversSkirtFlipper.esp
6D  LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp
6E  LSTBravilUnderground.esp
6F  LSTaddonInH.esp
70  LoversImmoralGuards.esp
71  RMDailyIncomeV2.esp
72  LoversHooker.esp  [Version 2.2]
73  LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP_HookerPatch.esp
74  LoversClubCats.esp
++  ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp
75  SetBody.esp
76  EnchantmentRestore.esp
++  EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp
77  DiabloEF 6 in 1.esp
78  AsharasSirensAndTritons.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp
**  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp
79  AutoSetBody.esp
++  x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Race.esp
7A  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Ashara's Sirens and Tritons.esp
7B  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp
7C  x117race.esp
++  x117Race ENG Race.esp
7D  Lop-ears Elf.esp
7E  Creature_Intensity_v1.5.esp
7F  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
80  LoversMB2.esp
81  LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
82  LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

 

[JSmith20142]

Are you using Fejeena's no-MBP variants? If not, you are missing almost all your MBP files.

 

Not related to your problem, but - breakundies is no longer needed unless you are using break undies armor mods, and I don't see any; you're trying to use escaprerapevplayer and helprapevplayer, which should be either/or.

 

[HentaiProdigy]

Okay, so I should uncheck BreakUndies, got it. And I thought those two were different? Maybe I didn't read their description right.

 

Okay, so the actual problem here is a lack of Fejeena no-MBP? That IS No-Modular Beautiful People, right? But if I'm using MBP, why should I use something that's not MBP? Care to explain? I'll try to look it up in the meantime. Thanks!

 

Edit:

Okay, so a quick look through Fejeena's uploaded files, and the only things that has "no-mbp" in their names are ImmoralSisters and BravilUnderground. I'm not using ImmoralSisters, and if I'm not mistaken, I already have BravilUndergound, but with MBP, but it doesn't seem to have anything to do with any positions/motions? Or is there something else you're talking about?

[JSmith20142]

You have ImmoralGuards, which is MBP dependent. As you say, Bravil Underground is MBP dependent - how do you expect them to work without MBP?

 

You are missing a whole bunch of plugins, so your game is essentially buggered up, with uncertain consequences. It sounds as if you have texture issues, well, you have already ensured that your textures are a mess. Which mods did you have active when you build your bashed patch?

 

Those two plugins are different, and mutually exclusive - at least, weird things happen with them both active. Go with escaperapevplayer, it never fails.

 

 

[fejeena]

Your Body Problem: perhaps a Problem with SetBody. try Lovers Settings: allow to remove non playable clothes/armor.

 

The MBP Problem. You have not all MBP esp you need. I only see

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Ashara's Sirens and Tritons.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp

 

But you need a lot of more

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseA00 Hair Modules.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp
x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp

Not sure if you need all of them, I do not Play MBP.

 

With your 2 MBP esp you can not play LoversImmoralGuards and BravilUnderground. Have you tried to enter the BravilUnderground City ? Your game will CTD.

All the esp you need are in the MBP all-in-one pack except the chocolate elves. 

 

If you do not want more MBP Mods then you can use my no MBP Mods (but do not use the empty MBP esm ! use the esm you have )

[HentaiProdigy]

I have the entirety of the MBP pack on this site. The esps that are missing are all in my Bashed Patch. ALL of the ones you listed are in there, and they are working as they should it seems, considering I have all the races, hairstyles, eyes and so on that are in that mod. So I'm pretty sure there's nothing wrong with my MBP. Even more evidence would be that ImmoralGuards and BravilUnderground both work.

 

I'll get back on the setbody thing. I'm curious though: SetBody only affects females, right? Because the disappearing lower body problem affects males as well.

[JSmith20142]

You really should post your complete load order when asking for help. You have WB, post its reported load order, which will include esps merged into your bashed patch.

[fejeena]

"AutoSetBody.esp" affects all NPCs, male and female. Could be that Lovers have a Problem to equip the male erect lowerbody or the female futa lowerbody (it you use the futa Option)

And the "SetBody.esp" spells  you can use for your charater or NPCs (male and female)

[HentaiProdigy]

Okay, I edited the OP with the Load Order taken from Wrye Bash, rather than OBMM. Now EVERYTHING is included, even an apparent delinquent?

 

Ah, I see. Good to know. I'll try to change the settings for it as you suggested. Will report when that has been done.

[fejeena]

There are still LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp and LoversHelpRapeVPlayer.esp in your load order ! Coose one ! Delete  the other one.

[HentaiProdigy]

Yep yep. Haven't gotten that far yet. I noticed that starting Wrye Bash for some reason threw TamagoPlayerHUDkil almost to the bottom of everything, so I switched stuff back again is all.

 

Updating my load order again...

 

Edit:

Taken LoversHelpRapeVPlayer.esp out, switched TamagoPlayerHud to the top of all the Lovers stuff. Now to try changing the settings in game...

 

Edit 2:

Allowing to unequip nonplayable armor did NOT work...

[JSmith20142]

You need to put Knights.esp above the thing that's trying to patch it - that's why it's marked as deninquent.

 

Edit: Beat you to it, Fejeena!

 

Edit of the edit : my sentence was ambiguous, covers both possibilities, so there!

 

[fejeena]

Sorry do not know what makes your lower bodies dissapear during sex.

But now you have a error in your load order

 

30  DMRA BBB Knights of the Nine Replacer.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: Knights.esp

 

The DMRA BBB Knights of the Nine Replacer.esp must be under Knights.esp

 

Edit: yes JSmith20142 but the Knights DLC should be the last DLC in the load order, so DMRA BBB Knights of the Nine Replacer.esp down under Knights.esp, not Knights.esp up.  

[HentaiProdigy]

Yep, fixed that. Still have the disappearing bodies though... which sucks. Badly. Does it help if I say that their feet and potential tails are still there? It's the butt, legs and penis that disappears. Legs, tails, torso, arms, hands and head are all still there.

[HentaiProdigy]

Could it have to do with Robert's Male Body Replacer? I just read in another thread on here that Lovers makes use of the Muscular Body type from Roberts, and I'm pretty sure I chose another type when installing it.

[gregathit]

What version of the Resource Pack and Base pack did you install?

 

Additionally what Nude body for females did you install?

 

Finally, have you archive invalidated via bsa redirection?

 

 

EDIT: You really don't need roberts male body's esp since you have setbody.  You can either delete the esp or move it out of your data folder.

[fejeena]

It is a Problem with your Lovers male and futa lowerbodies. Are they in the Folder meshes\clothes\Lovers ? Penis.nif and 5 different Futanari-.nif's and the Folder "Fuq" , inside the 5 different DMRA futanari nif's.

And if you use the Animated Penis PK Version you must have the Folder meshes\clothes\as  and inside a lot of nif's  (e.g. HugeAnimFuta.nif, HugeAnimPenis.nif, NormalAnimFuta.nif, NormalAnimPenis.nif, ...and many more)

But I think you have them all, because if you would have missing meshes you see a big yellow sign in game. 

 

[JSmith20142]

Couldn't hurt to try switching to muscular, though doubt that's your problem. Did you install the animated penis stuff?

 

[HentaiProdigy]

What version of the Resource Pack and Base pack did you install?

 

Additionally what Nude body for females did you install?

 

Finally, have you archive invalidated via bsa redirection?

 

 

EDIT: You really don't need roberts male body's esp since you have setbody.  You can either delete the esp or move it out of your data folder.

 

Lovers Resources v3, Rev 96v2, HGEC Body with BBB v1.12-34442, and I do not remember anything about archive invalidating.

 

It is a Problem with your Lovers male and futa lowerbodies. Are they in the Folder meshes\clothes\Lovers ? Penis.nif and 5 different Futanari-.nif's and the Folder "Fuq" , inside the 5 different DMRA futanari nif's.

And if you use the Animated Penis PK Version you must have the Folder meshes\clothes\as  and inside a lot of nif's  (e.g. HugeAnimFuta.nif, HugeAnimPenis.nif, NormalAnimFuta.nif, NormalAnimPenis.nif, ...and many more)

But I think you have them all, because if you would have missing meshes you see a big yellow sign in game. 

 

There is a Penis.nif and five Futanari.nif in there. The Fuq folder contains Futanari-000, 001, 002, 100 and 101. The only nif files in /clothes/as are ashardware1 to 5. But there are no yellow signs anywhere, and the penises still work in several other positions, both male and female futa.

[fejeena]

OK all fine if you are not using the animated penis PK Version.

Shit I really do not know what's going wrong. Your Lovers script starts to work, your lowerbody is unequiped (good) but then something prevents that the penis or futa lowerbody is added.

??????

 

[HentaiProdigy]

Yeah, I have no idea why either, obviously... what confuses me is that it happens with specific positions. None of the cowgirl positions have any lower body, 70% or so of the "rough" positions have the lower body missing. Fellatio and Cunnilingus works fine, as does foreplay.

 

Edit:

I AM using a version of Animated Penis! What I did was download and install 11-200 bbb, and then the "AP Combo Pack version 1 - Updates 1 through 6" uploaded by (I think) gregathit. Does that help in any way?

 

Edit 2:

I have no idea if it's related to the problem this thread is about, but damn I'm missing stuff from Animated Penis. As mentioned, I have 11-200 bbb and AP Combo Pack 1-6 written over it, but I'm missing 7 and all the 8s, as well as the 38mb resource pack. I don't know if it's related to my specific problem, but I'm guessing it's still a problem?

[HentaiProdigy]

Bumped bump. Sorry!

[fejeena]

If you use the Animated Penis Version then you must have the Folder meshes\clothes\as  and inside a lot of nif's  (e.g. HugeAnimFuta.nif, HugeAnimPenis.nif, NormalAnimFuta.nif, NormalAnimPenis.nif, ...and many more)

http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/184-lovers-animated-penis-base-pack/

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/17946-lovers-animated-penis-resource-pack/

You must have both ! You should not use the animated penis animations with other PK Versions.

 

! Read the instructions in the OP threads.!

 

If you install it you must install Lovers creatuer2 again (you need the LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp and LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp)

Or do not install the LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp and LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp from the animated penis pack ( so the creatures Versions of these esp's are not overridden)

[HentaiProdigy]

Yep, was a wee bit careless. But yeah, that fixed it. I now have penises and legs on all the positions! Thanks for the help once again!

 

Also, thanks for reminding me about reinstalling Creatures 2. It's my favorite of all these mods, so I wouldn't want that one to stop working!

[HentaiProdigy]

Okay, a new thingiemajingy problem-ish question has come to mind here... after switching about with all this, I've come upon a change with Creatures. Nothing actually broken, "just" an animation being replaced with another one. And of course, it's about my favorite furry friend the minotaur. Heck, I don't even know if any other creature has any replaced animations, but I'll start with this guy.

Before I screwed around with the stuff in this thread, the one and only minotaur position ever appearing was a smack in the face, followed by the minotaur picking the victim up and going wild on 'em. Now, it just goes 'poof' and the victim is in a doggystyle position, with the 'taur hunching over her. Why is that? Is that the one that's "meant" to be in LoversCreatures 2, or did something go wrong somewhere? I really miss the old, rapey one...

 

Also, while I'm at it, the ini file for creatures that decides the percentage chance of a position to appear, has several positions set as "0", and several creatures have more than one position in that list, but most with two or three only ever have one for me. Is there a specific reason for them to be set to "never show yer face"? Is it because they simply don't exist? I would guess that's the most logical, since switching position with the grab key (I have MotionsNT) doesn't do anything other than for dogs, skeletons, zombies and goblins so far.

 

Thanks again!