Mouth not opening during sex scenes

[RoninDog]

I thought I was going to quit and uninstalled all SexLab mods. But now I've tried to recreate my previous setup where the mouth did open during sex. Now however for some reason I can't figure out, it doesn't work, so either I'm missing something or I have the wrong load order.

 

Mods I have installed that are interesting for the current issue:

 

Expressive Facial Animation

SexLab Framework 1.63

SexLab Separate Orgasms v1.6.7

Open Mouth Mod 1.6(for SLSO 1.6.7)

betterblowjob

SexLab Survival (no conflicts but includes a shortcut for open mouth, which does nothing atm)

 

Load order(plugins)

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Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
Skyrim Project Optimization - Full ESL Version.esm
RSkyrimChildren.esm
SexLab.esm
SexLabAroused.esm
SexlabInteractiveArousal.esm
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
Heels Sound.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
Lux - Resources.esp
Lux Via.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm
Campfire.esm
RaceCompatibility.esm
JSwordsD.esm
Better Dynamic Snow SE - DisableRefs.esm
High Poly Head.esm
hdtHighHeel.esm
ZaZAnimationPack.esm
SGHairPackBase.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
Devious Devices - Assets.esm
Devious Devices - Integration.esm
daymoyl.esm
Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
Devious Devices - Contraptions.esm
Skyrim - Utility Mod.esm
SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm
CreatureFramework.esm
FISS.esp
KziitdXXXToolset.esp
DynDOLOD.esm
EquipmentStateCopy&Rename.esl
Expressive Facegen Morphs.esl
SAS.esl
Temple of the Divines Frescoes.esl
LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm
Tree LOD (Vanilla Skyrim LOD Billboards).esl
SkyUI_SE.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main LITE.esp
Butterflies.esp
HD Lods SSE.esp
Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp
Obsidian Weathers.esp
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp
Blowing in the Wind SSE.esp
Blowing in the Wind - SMIM Merged All Patch SSE.esp
ELFX - Exteriors.esp
Blowing in the Wind - ELFX Exteriors Patch SSE.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
Merged High Poly Standard Pretty Face Darker Brows.esp
BHUNP3BBB.esp
RaceMenuMorphsBHUNP.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
UIExtensions.esp
AddItemMenuSE.esp
Additional Player Voices for Skyrim.esp
sprintSE.esp
SOSRaceMenu.esp
Tullius Eyes.esp
Tullius WigPack.esp
Celtic_Music_In_Skyrim_SE.esp
Hun Lovaas.esp
Veydosebrom Regions.esp
YunDao_Hdt_Hair.esp
Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
SD Cages.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
Cutting Room Floor.esp
CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
Landscape Fixes For Grass Mods.esp
UniqueLocationsRiverwoodForest.esp
JKs Skyrim.esp
Immersive Jewelry.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
Lux Via - plugin.esp
The Great Town of Karthwasten.esp
The Great Town of Shor's Stone.esp
Skyrim Reborn - Whiterun Hold.esp
goodbrother.esp
DemonicCreatures.esp
Immersive Encounters.esp
CWIEnLFXSEPatch.esp
Half Moon Creek.esp
SexLab_Solutions.esp
Particle Patch for ENB SSE.esp
SexLab Confabulation.esp
SimplyKnock.esp
SL Survival.esp
WACCF_Armor and Clothing Extension.esp
Snowy Roads in Snowy Regions.esp
Halla.esp
HappyLittleTrees.esp
JK's Dragonsreach.esp
Riverwood Forest - JK's Skyrim Patch.esp
Populated Cities Towns Villages Legendary.esp
NPC_Overhaul_V_2_.esp
ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp
Jampion NPCs.esp
Jampion NPCs - USSEP Patch.esp
JK's Bee and Barb.esp
sanguinesDebauchery.esp
Blowing in the Wind - JKs Skyrim Patch.esp
Inconsequential NPCs.esp
Deviously Cursed Loot.esp
JKs Skyrim_No Snow Under the Roof_Patch.esp
Northern Bathhouses.esp
Skyrim Better Roads - All In One - Merged.esp
Cloaks.esp
BaboInteractiveDia.esp
Lux Via - CRF patch.esp
Lux Via - Less lanterns plugin.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
Summermyst - WACCF Patch.esp
Lore Weapon Expansion.esp
MoreNastyCritters.esp
JK's Belethor's General Goods.esp
ImmersiveJewelryXSummermyst.esp
Common Clothes and Armors.esp
JK's The Bannered Mare.esp
SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp
Northern Bathhouses_JKs Skyrim_Patch.esp
Hunterborn.esp
RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
The Ordinary Women.esp
PAN_NPCs.esp
Bijin_AIO 2018.esp
fairy.esp
SexLab_Dialogues.esp
JK's Ivarstead.esp
JK's Arcadia's Cauldron.esp
Frostfall.esp
Landscape For Grass Mods JK'S Skyrim.esp
Public Whore.esp
Missives.esp
Missives - JK Skyrim.esp
VisualAnimatedEnchants.esp
Mortal Weapons & Armor.esp
Immersive Kynesgrove.esp
SexLab Pheromones.esp
DibellaStatuesFixes.esp
Deviously Enslaved.esp
SimpleSlavery.esp
DeviousCarriages.esp
K2 Naked Mage.esp
yps-ImmersivePiercing.esp
MF_RadiantProstitution.esp
JKs The Drunken Huntsman.esp
Cooking in Inns.esp
JKs Skyrim_RWT_Patch.esp
SexLab Eager NPCs.esp
NewStatueOfShalidorMagicLights.esp
Better Dynamic Snow Patch.esp
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
LoreFriendlySpells.esp
Improved Eyes Skyrim - Serana.esp
Improved Eyes Skyrim - Vamp.esp
SexLabHorribleHarassment.esp
Sleeping Tree Path Patch.esp
FNIS.esp
blendedshrooms.esp
Better Dynamic Snow SE - No Glacier Snow.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
CWIBDSPatch.esp
CWICRFSEPatch.esp
RSChildren.esp
Lux Via - NSUTR.esp
RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp
Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp
Bathing in Skyrim - Hunterborn.esp
Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp
Hunterborn - Soups and Stews.esp
RifflingCrime.esp
opmfgconsole.esp
Conditional Expressions.esp
Extended UI.esp
OneWithNature.esp
AMatterOfTime.esp
TimingIsEverything.esp
SGHairPackAIO.esp
BottlesOfSkyrim.esp
FMS_FemaleMakeupSuite.esp
Botox SE.esp
Botox SE - Cutting Room Floor.esp
Botox SE - Immersive Encounters.esp
Botox SE - Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
KS Hairdo's.esp
Immersive Encounters - RS Children Patch.esp
Neithteam Warpaint.esp
FloraRespawnFix.esp
Silent Horizons - Solar Cleaner - Obsidian.esp
SexLab Inflation Framework.esp
SexLab Extra Voices.esp
SexLab Sound FX Replacer.esp
Devious Devices SE patch.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
SLSO.esp
SlaveTats.esp
FadeTattoos.esp
RapeTattoos.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
SLAdventures.esp
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
SLSFFameComments.esp
Inn Room Privacy.esp
Ark_ShowLimitedRaceMenu.esp
FacelightPlus.esp
Spank That Ass.esp
sr_FillHerUp.esp
SexLabDefeat.esp
Apropos2.esp
Cumshot.esp
CumshotSL.esp
Holiday Gift Hairdos.esp
GagSFXSE.esp
SexLabTools.esp
SLAnimLoader.esp
SexlabLightMeUp.esp
SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp
DustEffectsSSE.esp
NoRadialBlur.esp
SLATE.esp
SuccubusSkillLoss.esp
ABBA.esp
Males of Skyrim.esp
KSHairdosSMP.esp
TESL-LoadingScreens.esp
TESL-LS-AddonApoc.esp
TESL-LS-AddonMain.esp
TESL-LS-Tweaks.esp
TESL-LS-AddonLOTD.esp
TESL-LS-VanillaLSRemover.esp
SOS - Pubic Hair for Females Addon.esp
man_vaermina.esp
VioLens SE.esp
PetCollar.esp
KidnappedByRieklings.esp
SexistGuards.esp
xazPrisonOverhaulPatched.esp
SereneWispmothers.esp
FWB_SexLabDisparity.esp
sl_triggers.esp
Devious Punishment Equipment.esp
WE_OneHandedHammerND_ALL.esp
ImmersiveInteractions.esp
SexlabAmmoUnequip.esp
Spank That Ass - Butter And Animal Fat Balm.esp
mslDeviousCaptures.esp
[Caenarvon] Thorn Princess.esp
SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp
01RieklingsNSkyrim.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Lore Weapon Expansion Patch.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Obsidian Weathers Patch.esp
SLSW Addicted.esp
BDIC.esp
BDICCFPatch.esp
mihailravens.esp
RieklingsTrollsandotherThings.esp
LostGrimoire.esp
SexLabStatsManipulator.esp
SexLab More Creatures.esp
BakaFactoryABC.esp
Weather Control (Special Edition).esp
IHSS.esp
Icactors.esp
JSwords-ImmersiveWeaponsPatch.esp
CRF_RSChildrenPatch.esp
Jampion NPCs - CRF Patch.esp
RSC IncNPC.esp
RSC CRF Patch.esp
Skyrim Remastered - Ice Caves Fix.esp
imp_helm_legend.esp
SLAL_AnimationByBakaFactory.esp
AnubAnimObj.esp
SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp
NibblesAnimObjects.esp
SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
SLAL_GSAnimObjects.esp
SLAL_K4Anims.esp
SLALAnimObj.esp
PsycheAnimationObjects.esp
NCK30Obj.esp
Anuketh Tattoo Overlays 1.esp
CommunityOverlays1_0T30.esp
CommunityOverlays3.esp
IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp
KaliliesBrows.esp
Maevan2EyeBrows.esp
[Dint999] SecretChildOfTalos.esp
SmoothJumpINISettings.esp
YMMP.esp
UUNP Vanilla Outfits.esp
Aradia Secretary.esp
[Army]WildLace Lingerie.esp
[Ashtoreth] Layla Outfit.esp
44bikini.esp
BHUNP COCO Fairy Queen.esp
BHUNP Demon Ranger.esp
BHUNP Elvenia.esp
BHUNP Gwelda Red Riding Hood.esp
BHUNPIKziitd.esp
BHUNP Osare HotPants.esp
Cassandra Apocrypha UNP.esp
[Caenarvon] FreeStyle.esp
CharmingHighHeels.esp
Choker of Skyrim.esp
Cindersoul [SE].esp
[COCO]Goddess War.esp
[COCO] Scarlet Rose [SE].esp
[COCO] Witchiness [SE].esp
CommonClothes.esp
DEM_Privat.esp
DM BDOR Summer Box.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp
DX Pornstar SE.esp
Egil's Demon Hunter.esp
HENTAI PANTS.esp
Hoop Earrings.esp
Jennes.esp
Kimono Warrior [SE].esp
louis Vuitton V3 Platform Sandles SE.esp
Luxury Collection.esp
LYD_Heels&Stockings.esp
[Melodic] Heels Collection.esp
[Melodic] Hot Pajama.esp
[Melodic] Olga Discordia.esp
[Melodic] Sweet Romance.esp
[Melodic] Sylvia Heels.esp
[Melodic] Tracy Heels.esp
Mystique [SE].esp
NIER 2B Set by Team TAL.esp
[NINI] Black Hyacinth.esp
[NINI] Bless 0022.esp
[NINI] Camellia [SE].esp
[NINI] Sweet Spot [SE].esp
NINI 1.2.esp
[NINI] Venus Cage [SE].esp
Osare Panty.esp
ralfetas-deze-clothing.esp
RemakeSkirt.esp
RegaliaOfTheScorned.esp
Rustic clothes SMP.esp
(royan)ryza_outfit.esp
Sexy Night Gown.esp
shoespack.esp
TERA Monokini.esp
[Christine] Clockwork.esp
[XuNianA] Clockwork.esp
[XuNianA]Code_Vein io.esp
[XuNianA]Rondo Breeze.esp
[XuNianA] Xmas Pack.esp
Xing SMP Hairs and Wigs - Dint999.esp
The Amazing World of Bikini Armors REMASTERED.esp
TAWOBA Remastered Light.esp
Tiwa44 Minidresses Standalone SSE.esp
VesWhoreOutfit.esp
VtawWardrobe5.esp
Eimar's Edge.esp
NonAutoSkillBooks.esp
Trade & Barter.esp
XPMSE.esp
Requiem.esp
Fozars_Dragonborn_-_Requiem_Patch.esp
Requiem - Minor Arcana - Civil War.esp
Requiem - Minor Arcana - Forsworn.esp
Requiem - Minor Arcana - Roleplaying.esp
Apocalypse - Requiem Compatibility Patch.esp
Requiem - WACCF.esp
Requiem - Cutting Room Floor.esp
Requiem - Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp
Requiem - Book Covers Skyrim.esp
Requiem - Campfire.esp
Requiem - Classic Alchemy Overhaul.esp
Requiem - Common Clothes and Armors.esp
Requiem - Frostfall.esp
Requiem - Immersive College of Winterhold.esp
Requiem - Improved Closefaced Helmets.esp
Requiem - Inconsequential NPCs.esp
Requiem - Legacy of the Dragonborn.esp
Requiem - Timing is Everything.esp
Requiem - Trade and Barter.esp
Requiem - VioLens.esp
Requiem - Prison Overhaul.esp
RND Requiem Food Patch.esp
Requiem - SkoomaWhore.esp
Requiem_VampireCollection.esp
Requiem - Bags of Holding.esp
Requiem - Perk Defluffer.esp
Requiem - Unique Uniques - AOS.esp
Requiem_knockdown_patch.esp
Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
TESL-LS-AddonImperious.esp
Unique Character.esp
OBIS SE.esp
OBIS Loot SE.esp
Brigandage.esp
Botox SE - OBIS.esp
New Hagravens.esp
MasculinizedLevelLists - Merged.esp
OBIS SE Masculinized Leveled List.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
BooksOfDibella.esp
Bathing in Skyrim SE - Alternate Start.esp
ULALPatch.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
Bathing in SSE - RWT.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Needs Mod Patch.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Alt Volcanic Watercolor.esp
Bathing in Skyrim SE - RWT Watercolor.esp
Half Moon Creek - RealisticWaterTwo - Patch.esp
Realistic Water Two - Landscape For Grass Mods Patch.esp
WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp
Requiem for the Indifferent.esp
DCL-SE-FaceGen.esp
ELFXEnhancer.esp
CelticAlchemyMusicMod.esp
Realistic Humanoid Movement Speed SSE.esp
ShowPlayerInMenus.esp
ccas_starts.esp
SSE Merged Patch.esp
DynDOLOD.esp

 

Edited February 5, 2023 by RoninDog

[traison]

I have SexLabFrameworkSE_v163_BETA9 and in my notes for that, is this:

 

* Lips do not move with moans. This is an issue in sslBaseVoice.MoveLips().

* sslBaseVoice.MoveLips() has been rewritten.

 

So it would appear there's some issues there.

[anjenthedog]

There are two three things that come to mind.

 

First, any additional mods that fiddle with idle expressions, be it DAR-based, or some other mod. These can interfere with SL's facial expressions.

 

Second, there's a setting in the "newer" SL versions, under expressions, that provides additional controls for the mouth, which may have some value to you. (not sure if 9 has it or not. I'm still on 1.5.97 and I think SL beta 8 is the last one I can use.)

 

Third, in SL (and perhaps elsewhere) enabling both expressions and vocalizations can lead to problems. at least for the older version. I guess maybe that's not a thing for 9 based on @traison's post (clarity edit: since they appear to have acknowledged an issue and at least partially addressed it)

 

Edited February 5, 2023 by anjenthedog

[RoninDog]

57 minutes ago, anjenthedog said:

There are two three things that come to mind.

 

First, any additional mods that fiddle with idle expressions, be it DAR-based, or some other mod. These can interfere with SL's facial expressions.

 

Second, there's a setting in the "newer" SL versions, under expressions, that provides additional controls for the mouth, which may have some value to you. (not sure if 9 has it or not. I'm still on 1.5.97 and I think SL beta 8 is the last one I can use.)

 

Third, in SL (and perhaps elsewhere) enabling both expressions and vocalizations can lead to problems. at least for the older version. I guess maybe that's not a thing for 9 based on @traison's post

 

You have a point there. I managed to get the mouth to open after moving MFGFix before mfg oparco command, but it wouldn't stay open because of some expression being made. I think that outside of sex scenes it's my Conditional Expression mod taking over, and during animations it seems to be the movement of the mouth during moans that breaks it. So I would need to disable a few things. Thanks for the feedback!