Modding Conflicts and Unknown Issues

Anonymous5285 · November 13, 2022

Hey. I'm gonna get to the point, my game is pretty messed up. Which isn't surprising given I have little experience modding games and I generally refer to mod managers. It also doesn't help that I installed 174 of them probably.

But, to be more specific I've got issues like, on the main menu screen, moving the cursor down to the "Load" option makes the game decline any further input. Occasionally the game will crash as soon as I load into the world, and then other times it runs fine.

I've also got issues with model conflicts. Werewolves have two schlongs at once (May be a conflict involving Moonlight Tales), Dragons spawned via the spells provided by Hentai Creatures always use the same skin, Female Kahjiit have untextured lines on their body.

Alt-Tabbing out of the game creates a cursor on the screen when I tab back in.

After an undetermined amount of time has passed, random textures, especially the ones on the bodies of entities, turn black, then the game begins to stutter more and more until it eventually crashes.

I've kind of just been dodging these issues because I knew facing them solo would be foolish given my lack of experience, I'd likely end up making things worse. So now I'm going to defer to the superior knowledge and experience of the community.

Attached is a papyrus log, it probably won't be as helpful as the load order, but it details what happened behind the scenes the last time I ran a test.

SKSE Version: 1.9.32

FNIS Behavior: 7.6 XXL

LOOT: 0.18.3

Load Order (as sorted by the use of LOOT):

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
6 6 hdtHighHeel.esm
7 7 RaceCompatibility.esm
8 8 Draenei.esm
9 9 EFFCore.esm
10 a CreatureFramework.esm
11 b ApachiiHair.esm
12 c ZaZAnimationPack.esm
13 d SexLab.esm
14 e SexLabAroused.esm
15 f Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
16 10 Shark Race.esp
17 11 HighResTexturePack01.esp
18 12 HighResTexturePack02.esp
19 13 HighResTexturePack03.esp
20 14 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
21 15 NisahiraTsahiraAn-Maki.esp
22 16 VanillaArgoniansRedux.esp
23 17 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
24 18 BadDogSchlongCore.esp
BDHoodieFemale.esp
25 19 SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp
26 1a RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp
27 1b MrissiTailOfTroubles.esp
28 1c MoreNastyCritters.esp
29 1d Druidessentials.esp
30 1e SnoipehMoreCreatures.esp
31 1f Cloaks.esp
32 20 SexLab Beastess.esp
33 21 BDHagravenReplacer.esp
34 22 BDBirds.esp
35 23 BDBirdNPC.esp
36 24 HornyCreatures.esp
37 25 CellanRace.esp
38 26 CellanNPC.esp
39 27 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
40 28 whiterunManor.esp
41 29 ssapbwk.esp
42 2a LykaiosReborn.esp
43 2b LykaiosNPC.esp
44 2c SLDragons.esp
45 2d Ghosu - Project Flintlock.esp
46 2e EvyFollower.esp
47 2f Anuketh Godessess Pack.esp
48 30 The Seven Wonders of Leyenda.esp
49 31 Kalena Rios.esp
50 32 TS_Seraphina.esp
51 33 Twins.esp
52 34 More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Powered Edition.esp
53 35 Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp
54 36 _GSPoses.esp
55 37 Phillip the Horse.esp
56 38 Bijin Warmaidens.esp
57 39 Luna_GoV.esp
58 3a WerewolfMastery.esp
59 3b vMYC_MeetYourCharacters.esp
60 3c 1NGarmor.esp
61 3d Kitiara.esp
62 3e DW.esp
FNIS.esp
63 3f EFFDialogue.esp
64 40 EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp
65 41 FennecRace.esp
66 42 CatRaces.esp
CatRaceNPCs.esp
67 43 UIExtensions.esp
68 44 Animated Wings Ultimate.esp
69 45 BDBirdWings.esp
70 46 BDBirdSchlongs.esp
CatRaceSchlongs.esp
71 47 KS Hairdo's.esp
72 48 SLAL_AnimationByBakaFactory.esp
73 49 Beastess Forsworn.esp
74 4a Bijin NPCs.esp
75 4b HentaiCreatures.esp
76 4c Katarina.esp
77 4d DeathbrandREDUX.esp
78 4e Animated Dragon Wings.esp
79 4f More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Wings and Tail.esp
80 50 More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Flying Mod Addon.esp
81 51 SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
82 52 SexLab - Devious Butt.esp
83 53 CharacterMakingExtender.esp
84 54 AddItemMenuLE.esp
85 55 EFFStandCosMenu.esp
86 56 Bijin Wives.esp
87 57 Shadow Duelist Armor.esp
88 58 RiviaGear.esp
89 59 Vampire Royal Knight Armor.esp
90 5a Miraak Remaster.esp
91 5b Skyrim Teens.esp
92 5c VeronicaFollower.esp
93 5d Vivace.esp
94 5e SOS - Leito Addon.esp
95 5f SexLabUtil1.esp
96 60 RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
97 61 Wolf Master.esp
98 62 Werewolves.esp
99 63 CellanHoodieSchlong.esp
100 64 CellanBBSchlong.esp
101 65 Sunsakuka's Eliel Version 1.esp
102 66 Bonney.esp
103 67 Seductress Serana.esp
104 68 SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp
105 69 UnrelentingForce700%.esp
106 6a Quick Start - Skip the Opening Sequence.esp
107 6b Behemoth Dragon.esp
108 6c NibblesAnimObjects.esp
109 6d PsycheAnimationObjects.esp
110 6e SexLabWerewolves.esp
111 6f SLALAnimObj.esp
112 70 LykaiosSchlongs.esp
113 71 FlufyFoxAnimObjects.esp
114 72 SOSRaceMenu.esp
115 73 XPMSE.esp
116 74 SkyUI.esp
117 75 RaceMenu.esp
118 76 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
119 77 SLAnimLoader.esp
120 78 SexLabTools.esp
121 79 SexLabMatchMaker.esp
122 7a Werewolf Loot- Dawnguard version.esp
123 7b SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
124 7c AnubAnimObj.esp
125 7d Toccata.esp
126 7e beinz_plugin.esp
127 7f ERF - Ceraph.esp
128 80 SOS - ERF Horse Penis UUNP - Addon.esp
129 81 RaceMenuMorphsCOS.esp
DudestiaOutfitChanger.esp

Papyrus.0.log

Shadowbroker3495 · November 13, 2022

7 hours ago, Anonymous5285 said:

It also doesn't help that I installed 174 of them probably.

Most likely. Unfortunately modding is not plug & play.

You should build your mod collection gradually, starting with only the base functionality mods like

* XP Skeleton

* Sexlab framework

* Sexlab aroused

* Sexlab Anim Loader

* Schlong mod

* Racemenu mods

* SkyUI

* UIExtensions

* Animations

* Sex scene trigger mod

Once you have tested that sex functionality works as expected for humans, then you can add creature functionality

* Creature framework

* MoreNastyCritters

* Creature schlong mod

* Sexlab Aroused Creatures

* Creature animations

Once creature setup is working then you can add specific creature mods like werewolves etc.

Same applies to visual mods. Add them gradually to make sure there are no visual bugs before adding more visual mods.

Also make sure you know how to use Bodyslide to build body, clothes and armors properly.

Dorabella · November 13, 2022

12 hours ago, Anonymous5285 said:

random textures, especially the ones on the bodies of entities, turn black,

Missing mipmap

Converting armour and/or clothing from Skyrim SE to Skyrim LE Follow the steps in Paint.net and Ordenador to create them

12 hours ago, Anonymous5285 said:

It also doesn't help that I installed 174 of them probably.

In fact, it does not help. From what you say, it sounds more like a problem with the installation order . In this order, Alternative Start is accepted, to avoid the prologue

Spoiler

SKSE *
FNIS *
SkyUi *
Uiextensions *
SexLab Framework *
SOS(Scholongs 3.00) *
Caliente Beautiful Body Edition (CBBE) *
Bodyslide and outfit studio *
XP32MSE ( overwrite where required) *
HDT Physics extentions(overwrite where required) *
COSIO 4.4(overwrite where required) * or another type (UUNP , BHUNP , etc.)
Launch FNIS Test game
-----------------------------
Part 2

SexLabTools 3.00 *
SexLab Aroused *
More nasty critters *
Hentai Creatures ( optional)
Creature Framework *
JContainers *
SLAnimLoader *
MatchMaker (optional)
FNIS Creature pack 1.6 *

Launch FNIS Test game

Attach FNiS report

Anonymous5285 · November 14, 2022

From what I've gathered so far, I'm going to need to uninstall everything and start from scratch, because the current order of installation is not optimal.

Also I should've specified, it's not clothing or armor that turns black, it's their whole body, including their skin. I don't know if that changes anything.

I've installed a different version of Alternate Start, because I've found that Alternate Start causes memory leaks and taxes the papyrus overtime. It seems nice at the start, but the assets it uses are never unloaded, and the scripts are still running.

I've managed to fix the issue with the dragons being all the same skin. It was a Plugin called "HCOS Behemoth" and it was overwriting every other model.

On a sidenote: I have no idea how to use the Bodyslide program. I only installed it because multiple mods stated it was a requirement, so I installed it.

So is that what I should do? Start fresh and begin at the most essential programs and mods, make sure they come first, then move onto others?

November 14, 2022

On 11/13/2022 at 3:53 AM, Anonymous5285 said:

I've also got issues with model conflicts. Werewolves have two schlongs at once (May be a conflict involving Moonlight Tales), Dragons spawned via the spells provided by Hentai Creatures always use the same skin, Female Kahjiit have untextured lines on their body.

Alt-Tabbing out of the game creates a cursor on the screen when I tab back in.

After an undetermined amount of time has passed, random textures, especially the ones on the bodies of entities, turn black, then the game begins to stutter more and more until it eventually crashes.

Two schlongs on werewolf: Easy: Go to SOS MCM. Then enter the first addon (you know, the ones called smurf addons etc), scroll to the bottom of the list where all races are listed, and untick werewolves. Untick this on all three addons in the SOS MCM. Problem most likely solved. You didnt provide a pic but I bet this is the issue.

Regarding the Alt-tabbing and the cursor thing. I had this in the early days too. It should be very easy as well to get rid of. I can't really remember what I did, but if you look in this thread there's many things for you to try:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/45350791619955512/

On 11/13/2022 at 3:53 AM, Anonymous5285 said:

After an undetermined amount of time has passed, random textures, especially the ones on the bodies of entities, turn black, then the game begins to stutter more and more until it eventually crashes.

This is only me thinking loud:

It might be something related to your choice of ENB. Or it could be an error with the mesh itself. If it's only bodies I don't believe the latter is the cause since those mesh files are wellused by now and it would be a big problem for many. It could also be that your rig is running of juice (GPU) combined that you are on LE. I had black bodies on high texture followers and my own character once in a while when I had ENB Realvision installed together with Fairskin 4K. Back then I also had an older graphic card installed. Today I don't suffer from that.

If you where me ?, I'd first install lower texture files for the things that occur black. If it does not help, use another type of ENB while still keeping the low textures installed. If problem is gone, then reinstall the high quality textures and consider keeping that new ENB.

I wouldn't reinstall Skyrim for this. I'd rather figure out what is going on. It will help you later on.

Edited November 14, 2022 by Thor2000

Nuka Cherry · November 14, 2022

For new people wanting to mod a lot, who do not know what they are doing - I recommend using wabbajack and installing a list like Masterwork or a basic Skyrim list of essential mods (patches, etc)

Wabbajack is an automated installation program, and works best if you have a Nexus paid account (otherwise you have to click to accept each mod in turn). With a good list it will install, patch and set the game up for you.

Anonymous5285 · November 16, 2022

On 11/14/2022 at 5:12 AM, Thor2000 said:

Two schlongs on werewolf: Easy: Go to SOS MCM. Then enter the first addon (you know, the ones called smurf addons etc), scroll to the bottom of the list where all races are listed, and untick werewolves. Untick this on all three addons in the SOS MCM. Problem most likely solved. You didnt provide a pic but I bet this is the issue.

Regarding the Alt-tabbing and the cursor thing. I had this in the early days too. It should be very easy as well to get rid of. I can't really remember what I did, but if you look in this thread there's many things for you to try:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/45350791619955512/

This is only me thinking loud:

It might be something related to your choice of ENB. Or it could be an error with the mesh itself. If it's only bodies I don't believe the latter is the cause since those mesh files are wellused by now and it would be a big problem for many. It could also be that your rig is running of juice (GPU) combined that you are on LE. I had black bodies on high texture followers and my own character once in a while when I had ENB Realvision installed together with Fairskin 4K. Back then I also had an older graphic card installed. Today I don't suffer from that.

If you where me ?, I'd first install lower texture files for the things that occur black. If it does not help, use another type of ENB while still keeping the low textures installed. If problem is gone, then reinstall the high quality textures and consider keeping that new ENB.

I wouldn't reinstall Skyrim for this. I'd rather figure out what is going on. It will help you later on.

Graphics card is not the issue. I don't want to brag but I can handle RDR2 at 60 FPS, so I doubt it's that. I'm not exactly sure though if I have anything related to an ENB installed, but I don't remember installing anything like that. I do think it might be a conflict between a mesh/skin texture mod, and a different graphic mod. Don't think it's an ENB though, if there is, I'll have to uninstall it because I'm sure I don't/didn't know what I am doing.

Anonymous5285 · November 16, 2022

On 11/14/2022 at 12:17 PM, Nuka Cherry said:

For new people wanting to mod a lot, who do not know what they are doing - I recommend using wabbajack and installing a list like Masterwork or a basic Skyrim list of essential mods (patches, etc)

Wabbajack is an automated installation program, and works best if you have a Nexus paid account (otherwise you have to click to accept each mod in turn). With a good list it will install, patch and set the game up for you.

Could you tell me how to use Wabbajack? I looked up "Masterwork" but didn't find anything related to a tool I could use.

Nuka Cherry · November 16, 2022

Sure.

Wabbajack is a program, found here: https://www.wabbajack.org/

You install the app on your PC and launch it. You can then search for a mod list that you want to install (you can filter via the game). Select a drive (it needs a lot of free space) and let the program create the downloads folder. Then you need to allow the program to access your login here, on the Nexus and probably one of Megaupload or similar (where very large files are stored). Wabbajack will then download all of the files in sequence.
You also need a clean install of your game. Delete Skyrim SSE and the steam folder, and the folder in my documents where .ini files are stored. Reinstall Skyrim from steam, then launch it once. Do not mod it, let wabbajack do everything.
It is best if you have a paid Nexus account as this gives instant unlimited downloads, if not, you have to click through each file in the wabbajack app.
Each mod list will come with a read me, which you must read!
When the download is complete, Wabbajack will install all of the mods and patches for you. All you need to do is follow any additional instructions in the read me.

The NSFW wabbajack lists are masterstroke and Tsukiro. Mod lists are active on wabbajack when all the files are accessible by the program. If a list is offline, it needs to be updated, as a mod has been updated.

Edited November 16, 2022 by Nuka Cherry

Anonymous5285 · November 17, 2022

6 hours ago, Nuka Cherry said:

Sure.

Wabbajack is a program, found here: https://www.wabbajack.org/

You install the app on your PC and launch it. You can then search for a mod list that you want to install (you can filter via the game). Select a drive (it needs a lot of free space) and let the program create the downloads folder. Then you need to allow the program to access your login here, on the Nexus and probably one of Megaupload or similar (where very large files are stored). Wabbajack will then download all of the files in sequence.

You also need a clean install of your game. Delete Skyrim SSE and the steam folder, and the folder in my documents where .ini files are stored. Reinstall Skyrim from steam, then launch it once. Do not mod it, let wabbajack do everything.

It is best if you have a paid Nexus account as this gives instant unlimited downloads, if not, you have to click through each file in the wabbajack app.

Each mod list will come with a read me, which you must read!

When the download is complete, Wabbajack will install all of the mods and patches for you. All you need to do is follow any additional instructions in the read me.

The NSFW wabbajack lists are masterstroke and Tsukiro. Mod lists are active on wabbajack when all the files are accessible by the program. If a list is offline, it needs to be updated, as a mod has been updated.

Alright thanks. It should be noted though that I'm using the original Skyrim Legendary Edition, not the Special Edition. But I know what you meant. What precisely is a mod list? And where can I find one? Can I make my own? I assume they act as a collection of mods that are all intended to be installed in a specific sequence or order, thus avoiding any conflicts or unintentional overwriting. After I'm done with the mod list(s) can I then attempt to mod it manually if I find anything I'd like to add in the future? Or does Wabbajack have options for that as well?

Nuka Cherry · November 17, 2022

Ahha, then you can search Skyrim LE lists.

Yes, a mod list is a group of mods and patches that an author has put together that links to the mods for download (vs a mod pack, which is when they add all the mods together as a download). Originally mod lists were simply a list on a webpage with associated links and instructions. Wabbajack simply automates this, making complex lists and patching a breeze.

They almost always use Mod Organiser 2 which is has a function called profiles. When the list is installed you can create a new profile and add or untick mods (don't delete). If you mess up, delete the profile and go back to the original - this will restore the list.

I have a Skyrim SE list which I did not change and a fallout list which I have added over 100 mods (Skyrim is less forgiving than Fallout).

Anonymous5285 · November 19, 2022

On 11/17/2022 at 2:11 AM, Nuka Cherry said:

Ahha, then you can search Skyrim LE lists.

Yes, a mod list is a group of mods and patches that an author has put together that links to the mods for download (vs a mod pack, which is when they add all the mods together as a download). Originally mod lists were simply a list on a webpage with associated links and instructions. Wabbajack simply automates this, making complex lists and patching a breeze.

They almost always use Mod Organiser 2 which is has a function called profiles. When the list is installed you can create a new profile and add or untick mods (don't delete). If you mess up, delete the profile and go back to the original - this will restore the list.

I have a Skyrim SE list which I did not change and a fallout list which I have added over 100 mods (Skyrim is less forgiving than Fallout).

So I should give up using Vortex to modify Skyrim and switch to a different mod organizer?

On top of this, I'll also need to purge Skyrim of modifications and reset it to vanilla?

Nuka Cherry · November 19, 2022

I cannot comment on Vortex, as I have no used it for years and once I became familiar with MO2 I never looked back.

Wabbajack is always MO2 - but this is also installed by the program.

I would pick a mod list from Wabbajack, they almost all have a Discord channel and read me - check out what they say. As a rule, you have to do a completely clean reinstall of Skyrim, including deleting all folders in MyDocuments and steam.

Anonymous5285 · November 19, 2022

Got it. I'll start with reverting Skyrim to it's "factory" state.

Anonymous5285 · November 26, 2022

So, where should I go from here? I just reinstalled the game after clearing it of everything. The only thing I'm not sure I did was fully remove FNIS before I uninstalled it. And these lists have a drawback, they don't have everything I want, and most of them are already customized to a specific individual.

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