Understanding physics

[Garagulu]

Hi everyone i can't find answers on web so i am asking some questions here for curiosity and details:

 

-as u can see in the image below tits has some strange behavior, not always just in few animation

-i have hdt smp and cbcp installed (Load order pasted under)

-during installation was asked to choose between some "bouncing degree" from 1 to 10, i chose 7, now i find is a bit too much, is there some way to change it without reinstalling?

-if there is some advice i should know while installing physics i am obv all ear^^

- talking about fps, i can't reach 60, even during loads or main menu, it stay between 40-57, can physics affect it? Or is more probable i made something wrong during intsallation process? 

 

thx^^

leave spec here:

12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-12900H   2.90 GHz
RAM 32,0 GB (31,7 GB)
graphic card 3080

 

added a video with a strange behavior of menu too

plugins.txt

Edited September 19, 2022 by Garagulu
new oddity

[traison]

The way I see it, you either install presets until you find one that you like, or you learn to edit the presets yourself. In your case, if cbpc is managing the tits then your first issue is in the rotational* values (yours will be different, but here's an example):

BreastL2.rotationalX 0.103 0.0515
BreastL2.rotationalY 0.0515 0.02575
BreastL2.rotationalZ 0.103 0.0515

 

As for changing presets without reinstalling. You can open the mod archive in 7zip for instance and look through the folders it contains. Most likely each "level" of bounce has its own directory. If the directory names make no sense, open the fomod file within the archive as it will contain all the descriptions and things you saw when installing the mod before.

 

Finally, a 3080 and you can't get 60 fps, and you don't even seem to have an enb? What have you done? Anyhow, when it comes to physics, the entire thing is unfortunately bound to the frame rate. I find that going below is not as bad as going above. If you go over, things start to fly around wildly, usually anyways.

Edited September 19, 2022 by traison

[yorpers]

6 hours ago, Garagulu said:

- talking about fps, i can't reach 60, even during loads or main menu, it stay between 40-57, can physics affect it? Or is more probable i made something wrong during intsallation process? 

What Resolution...that matters a lot.?

 

 

As far as the physics issues go I see in your plugin list you have the cbbe 3ba plugin before the regular cbbe plugin... I cant know your actual install order but that makes it look like you overwrote 3ba files with regular cbbe ones?

 

If that is the case then that is a huge red flag with how you are installing mods in general.

 

 

Edited September 19, 2022 by yorpers

[Garagulu]

Looks like u are the hero of my sad world of bugs and glitch xD! very thx u for ur time sir/lady...! Yesterday i managed (thx to u too) to restore the ctd facegen of my skyrim^^

 

i'll try ur advices and let u know:)!

 

yes i have ENB installed....really i don't know why i can't get those FPS, probably bad configuration of ini or other things, cause even in the main menu i can't reach 60.....sadly i am still a bit noob in this things, trying to learn but is not so easy

 

 

enblocal.ini enbseries.ini

[Garagulu]

24 minutes ago, yorpers said:

What Resolution...that matters a lot.?

 

 

As far as the physics issues go I see in your plugin list you have the cbbe 3ba plugin before the regular cbbe plugin... I cant know your actual install order but that makes it look like you overwrote 3ba files with regular cbbe ones?

 

If that is the case then that is a huge red flag with how you are installing mods in general.

 

 

Ultra!

 

that's the load order in case u can find something, in the meanwhile i ceck ur hypotesis!

 

probably i made mistakes, sadly the only way to know what am i doing wrong is asking to peaples with more experience like u or traison

 

for this i thx u so much obv^^

loadorder.txt

Edited September 19, 2022 by Garagulu

[yorpers]

4 minutes ago, Garagulu said:

Ultra!

No I mean monitor resolution like 1920x1080 \ 2560x1440 \ 3840x2160  ?

 

because not getting 60fps with a 3080 would be normal most likely in 4k res.?

 

Edited September 19, 2022 by yorpers

[Garagulu]

18 minutes ago, yorpers said:

No I mean monitor resolution like 1920x1080 \ 2560x1440 \ 3840x2160  ?

 

because not getting 60fps with a 3080 would be normal most likely in 4k res.?

 

ups sorry, is 1920x1080! xD

 

checked ur advice, 3BBB is before cbbe,looks like i have earned a red flag right? ?

[yorpers]

10 minutes ago, Garagulu said:

ups sorry, is 1920x1080! xD

Yes then you should be getting 60 fps easily.

 

There are so many variables as to why you could be getting low fps, honestly. One thing I did before that hurt my fps a lot was having vsync turned on in like 3-4 places at once... in the nvidia settings, in enb, in display tweaks, and maybe somewhere else I cant remember. That could be one potential problem. I've never seen anyone else do this and report problems, but for me it was an instant 15 fps boost to only have vsync on in enb and nowhere else. This is unlikely to be your solution, it's just an example. FPS can be tied to either the CPU or the GPU in skyrim so knowing if your gpu is hitting 100% during game time is important to know. You have good hardware, though and you should absolutely be hitting 60fps easily with 1920x1080.

 

10 minutes ago, Garagulu said:

checked ur advice, 3BBB is before cbbe,looks like i have earned a red flag right? ?

 This may not be the cause of the physics issue, but it means you are overwriting the meshes and textures of the more advanced body with the older body. I don't know what this would do.?

 

My advice would be to export your load order, then reinstall 3ba, then import your load order. Your game SHOULD remain stable since there wont be a load order change if you do that correctly.? I know it sucks having to reinstall it, but this will also give you the benefit of having the chance to reinstall physics options too. 

[anjenthedog]

This does bring up an interesting topic. 

 

Makes my eyes cross thinking how or iff it could be done, but it'd be cool if someone was able to hook into the bounce values in game, and provide a simple slider system (in MCM I'd guess, or even in a separate applet like Racemenu) for adjusting breast bounce, like a preview window that shows the player/npc walking, and bounce is tuned from "0-100"

 

I have a small-breasted female player in this latest incarnation, but her A cup breasts flail around like she's double D. By all rights, they should barely jiggle.

 

I usually oversimplify and make reaching speculations, but is it the "nipple-node" weight that causes the over-flexing?  Or the entire breast is over-weighted?  

Or is the algorithm purposely outputting an over-emphasized bounce to avoid being to "over subtle"?

Edited September 19, 2022 by anjenthedog

[yorpers]

6 minutes ago, anjenthedog said:

I have a small-breasted female player in this latest incarnation, but her A cup breasts flail around like she's double D. By all rights, they should barely jiggle.

 

I usually oversimplify and make reaching speculations, but is it the "nipple-node" weight that causes the over-flexing?  Or the entire breast is over-weighted?  

Or is the algorithm purposely outputting an over-emphasized bounce to avoid being to "over subtle"?

To understand the weight painting you can open up the reference body for 3ba in outfit studio and look at the bones. More bounce will have different colors with oranges and reds being the most and greens/blues being the least. From there you can get an idea of what bone to tweak in the smp configs or cbpc configs for the specific area of the breast. There is a good chance it is the whole breast but an emphasis on the breast03 nodes.

 

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[Garagulu]

9 minutes ago, yorpers said:

here are so many variables as to why you could be getting low fps, honestly. One thing I did before that hurt my fps a lot was having vsync turned on in like 3-4 places at once... in the nvidia settings, in enb, in display tweaks, and maybe somewhere else I cant remember. That could be one potential problem. I've never seen anyone else do this and report problems, but for me it was an instant 15 fps boost to only have vsync on in enb and nowhere else. This is unlikely to be your solution, it's just an example. FPS can be tied to either the CPU or the GPU in skyrim so knowing if your gpu is hitting 100% during game time is important to know. You have good hardware, though and you should absolutely be hitting 60fps easily with 1920x1080.

 

i will surely ceck anyway even if it probably don't will be the culprit...is so hard to pinpoint if some mods are doing the damage or the engine settings..... there is not some software that can help users to undesrtand what is draining performance? 

 

and surely i'll ceck the cpu/gpu stress

13 minutes ago, yorpers said:

This may not be the cause of the physics issue, but it means you are overwriting the meshes and textures of the more advanced body with the older body. I don't know what this would do.?

for my short test not a problem BUT i know u are right and probably 

avoided some future problems

so i thx u^^. (newbies like me tend to rely on vortex when many options show themselves, i read mods description, but making misteakes is so easy)

16 minutes ago, yorpers said:

My advice would be to export your load order, then reinstall 3ba, then import your load order. Your game SHOULD remain stable since there wont be a load order change if you do that correctly.? I know it sucks having to reinstall it, but this will also give you the benefit of having the chance to reinstall physics options too. 

reinstall the entire load order or just the physics/bodies? and is possible do it on vortex?

[yorpers]

3 minutes ago, Garagulu said:

reinstall the entire load order or just the physics/bodies? and is possible do it on vortex?

Just 3ba (cbbe 3bbb) or whatever it is called. Only that one mod. And make sure you let it overwrite everything else.

Edited September 19, 2022 by yorpers

[Garagulu]

54 minutes ago, yorpers said:

Just 3ba (cbbe 3bbb) or whatever it is called. Only that one mod. And make sure you let it overwrite everything else.

Ok thx, and i'll let u know?

[yorpers]

Yeah, no problem. You will lokely need to rebuild at least these in bodyslide afterward. This order should work for you.

 

If you end up having to batch build in bodyslide then make sure to do these again after to make sure nothing overwrote them.

 

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[Garagulu]

14 hours ago, yorpers said:

Yeah, no problem. You will lokely need to rebuild at least these in bodyslide afterward. This order should work for you.

 

If you end up having to batch build in bodyslide then make sure to do these again after to make sure nothing overwrote them.

 

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wooow very kind of u making a little guide here:)!

i have 3bbb smp too in my selection should i ignore that?

 

anyway i have done as u told and is fine thx u!!!!!

 

disabled v-Sync, enabled only in enb, now i can reach 61 fps at least in menu^^

 

here i post a video where performance drop

 

cpu was about 30/40%

gpu never over 60%

 

 

[yorpers]

2 hours ago, Garagulu said:

i have 3bbb smp too in my selection should i ignore that?

if everything is working now with physics, then yes you should be able to ignore it. 

 

2 hours ago, Garagulu said:

cpu was about 30/40%

 

Your fps seems to be bottlenecked by your cpu. Skyrim can't utilize multi core processing well, so seeing it at 30-40% and your gpu only using 60% is a good indicator of that. I see some very extreme lighting in your enb, looking to be caused by adaptation settings, maybe. I don't know how much you like your current enb, but you may want to try another one or reinstall the one you do have and see if that helps your fps.

 

Another thing that can start causing your cpu to start tanking your fps is using smp physics on lots of actors. That doesn't seem to be the case as far as I can tell. I don't see them having smp wigs and all that.

[Garagulu]

2 hours ago, yorpers said:

if everything is working now with physics, then yes you should be able to ignore it. 

 

ok perfect thx u^^

 

2 hours ago, yorpers said:

Your fps seems to be bottlenecked by your cpu. Skyrim can't utilize multi core processing well, so seeing it at 30-40% and your gpu only using 60% is a good indicator of that.

and is there something that can be done?

*curiosity*--->does fallout4 use multicore? because that game run very smooth with 230 over mods and cosntant 60 fps locked....and maybe this could be the cause of the difference:)

 

2 hours ago, yorpers said:

I see some very extreme lighting in your enb, looking to be caused by adaptation settings, maybe. I don't know how much you like your current enb, but you may want to try another one or reinstall the one you do have and see if that helps your fps.

if u talk of "brightness" it can be the "night vampire vison power" if u talk about light effects(flame ecc..) than i can tell u i use ELFX alongside it....and i can try to disable enb effects

 

about SMP, i installed it this morning (3BBB) and i choose "performance mode" for physics

[yorpers]

1 minute ago, Garagulu said:

and is there something that can be done?

Most definitely, I just don't know specifically what. I have incredibly heavy settings on a much weaker cpu and gpu and get better fps than you do. I don't know what information to ask for you to provide from here.

 

Looking at your enbseries.ini I dont see anything that sticks out as too heavy either. You have AO and DoF set to false. I'm just not really sure what is going on with your fps, honestly. 

 

10 minutes ago, Garagulu said:

does fallout4 use multicore?

I'm not sure, I haven't done much of a dive into the performance of FO4. I would hope it has better multicore processing and better occlusion culling though.

[Garagulu]

17 minutes ago, yorpers said:

Most definitely, I just don't know specifically what. I have incredibly heavy settings on a much weaker cpu and gpu and get better fps than you do. I don't know what information to ask for you to provide from here.

was asking if is possible to make skyrim running with multicore instead of just 1^^

 

xrayys optimized skyrim cpu balance at Skyrim Special Edition Nexus - Mods and Community (nexusmods.com)

Skyrim Priority SE AE - skse plugin at Skyrim Special Edition Nexus - Mods and Community (nexusmods.com)

 

i am reading this if u ever care for whatever reason^^ (i undesrtand u probably don't need it  )

 

19 minutes ago, yorpers said:

Looking at your enbseries.ini I dont see anything that sticks out as too heavy either. You have AO and DoF set to false. I'm just not really sure what is going on with your fps, honestly. 

u helped me very much no prob sir:)! maybe some too heavy texture? downloaded some 2k, and anyway i'll try disabling some mods, to see of if get fps for whatever reason:)

[yorpers]

3 minutes ago, Garagulu said:

was asking if is possible to make skyrim running with multicore instead of just 1^^

oh it already does, just not well. There have been skyrim.ini setting shared that supposedly make it better, but as far as I know they don't actually do anything.

 

I do use that priority mod you linked. Its probably good if you have other programs running in the background like an internet browser.

 

EDIT: It doesn't appear to be texture related.

Edited September 20, 2022 by yorpers

[Garagulu]

1 hour ago, yorpers said:

h it already does, just not well. There have been skyrim.ini setting shared that supposedly make it better, but as far as I know they don't actually do anything.

ah kk so it does but badly, my fault than?!

 

i am testing thet priority mod too,but looks like does nothing...damn...

 

hope to find the culprit in one month?

 

if not intrusive may i ask u a  little video of ur skyrim ^^? i am curious^^

 

ok i really think is a physics issue, disabling cloacks&capes SMP increased about 10 fps

Edited September 20, 2022 by Garagulu
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[yorpers]

1 hour ago, Garagulu said:

ok i really think is a physics issue, disabling cloacks&capes SMP increased about 10 fps

yeah each smp related thing can greatly impact fps. the more complex the more impactful. Ive got one hairstyle I use sometimes that drops my fps from 50+ to mid 20s.

 

I can show you a video later today when I've got time to sit down for long enough, sure.

[yorpers]

Here you go, do note that running OBS to capture the video cost me a lot of fps since my game was already pushing my gpu to 100% usage, so the numbers are a bit misleading. I usually get 45-50 fps here and most other exterior areas with these settings. And some short dips to the 30s because my ram speed is slow. I've tried my game with faster ram and the dips disappear completely, but unfortunately I need more memory even more than I need speed. My cpu has a very short list of compatible 3000mhz+ ram.

 

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[Garagulu]

12 hours ago, yorpers said:

Here you go, do note that running OBS to capture the video cost me a lot of fps since my game was already pushing my gpu to 100% usage, so the numbers are a bit misleading. I usually get 45-50 fps here and most other exterior areas with these settings. And some short dips to the 30s because my ram speed is slow. I've tried my game with faster ram and the dips disappear completely, but unfortunately I need more memory even more than I need speed. My cpu has a very short list of compatible 3000mhz+ ram.

 

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Wooooo what a lovely skyrim♥️♥️!!! May i ask ur load order too??

 

I am afraid physics is the problem for me....it's very cool but cause my inexperience i am starting thinking i bad installed something....maybe physics conflicts....

 

Or maybe highpoly npc? I'll have some cecks when come back home

 

Did u ever used "asis" for enemies?

[yorpers]

6 hours ago, Garagulu said:

Did u ever used "asis" for enemies?

I have no idea what that even is.? google search comes up with some mod from back in 2015.

 

6 hours ago, Garagulu said:

I am afraid physics is the problem for me....it's very cool but cause my inexperience i am starting thinking i bad installed something....maybe physics conflicts....

 

Or maybe highpoly npc? I'll have some cecks when come back home

 

I'm not sure if the physics for skyrim SE have any known conflicts. 

 

6 hours ago, Garagulu said:

May i ask ur load order too??

 

Sure, but don't expect to be able to get much information out of it. Lots of clothing mods from obscure places on the internet, lots of custom mods and patches that I've made. Usually with completely ambiguous names. Lots of mods that directly conflict with each other like 2 different tree replacers.? It's not a good load order for anyone to try and learn anything from.

 

LoadOrder_SkyrimSE_2022-09-11T12-44-56.txt