CummyWummyInmaTummy Posted July 24, 2022 Posted July 24, 2022 I've thought I fixed this issue many times. I thought I knew what it was many times, but at this point, I'm completely at a loss. It definitely seems to be related to animations, physics, and Nemesis, and I can get the game to load by messing with things, but it's hard to say for sure what it is that I'm doing that makes it work on occasion. I could say what I think it seems to be, but I'd probably be wrong, because every attempt to narrow down the problem always seems to fail. I always just use loot to sort my plugins, and maybe that's the problem, but honestly, I wouldn't even know. I don't know how to post my plugins, but I'll include MO2's export. I'm sure there's probably a lot of issues, so please just let me know as many as you recognize and I'll try to fix them. Here's the export: Spoiler #Mod_Priority,#Mod_Name,#Nexus_ID,#Mod_Version "0001","DLC: HearthFires",-1,"" "0002","DLC: Dragonborn",-1,"" "0003","DLC: Dawnguard",-1,"" "0004","Creation Club: ccQDRSSE001-SurvivalMode",-1,"" "0005","Creation Club: ccBGSSSE037-Curios",-1,"" "0006","Creation Club: ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS",-1,"" "0007","Creation Club: ccBGSSSE001-Fish",-1,"" "0009","Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch",266,"4.2.7.0" "0010","skse 2.01.05",0,"d2022.6.24.0" "0011","Address Library for SKSE Plugins 1.5 (to get PHP to shut up)",32444,"2.0.0.0" "0012","Address Library for SKSE Plugins",32444,"5.0.0.0" "0013","ConsoleUtilSSE",24858,"1.3.2.0" "0014","PapyrusUtil SE - Modders Scripting Utility Functions",13048,"4.3.0.0" "0015","powerofthree's Tweaks",51073,"1.6.0.0" "0016","SSE Engine Fixes (skse64 plugin)",17230,"6.0.2.0" "0017","RaceMenu",19080,"0.4.19.10" "0018","JContainers SE",16495,"4.2.2.0" "0019","MCM Helper",53000,"1.3.2.0" "0020","Dynamic Animation Replacer",33746,"1.1.2.0" "0021","XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended",1988,"4.80.0.0" "0022","BodySlide and Outfit Studio",201,"5.6.0.0" "0024","UIExtensions",17561,"1.2.0.0" "0025","SkyUI",12604,"5.2.0.0SE" "0026","SkyHUD",463,"0.90.0.0B" "0028","TrueHUD - 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Physics with Collisions 3BA Configs",21224,"1.5.2.0" "0232","Fair Skin Complexion",798,"10.0.0.0" "0233","[COCO]Fair Skin CBBE_patch",0,"d2022.7.3.0" "0234","Expressive Facegen Morphs SE",35785,"1.0.0.0" "0235","High Poly Head SE",0,"1.4.0.0" "0236","Expressive Facial Animation -Female Edition-",19181,"1.7.0.0" "0237","Expressive Facial Animation -Male Edition-",19532,"1.21.0.0" "0238","Koralina's Eyebrows for High Poly Head",64497,"1.0.0.0" "0239","The Eyes of Beauty - Ai Remastered",70263,"1.0.0.0" "0240","KS Hairdos - HDT SMP (Physics)",31300,"1.4.3.0" "0241","KML Makeup Suite - Female Eyeliners Eyeshadows Blushes",56927,"1.0.1.0" "0243","Heels Sound",0,"d2022.7.19.0" "0244","Clothes Pack 5 by DonEb14n - CBBE - 3BA - BHUNP - BodySlide",66964,"2.0.0.0" "0245","Clothes Pack 5 by DonEb14n 3BA BodySlide files",66964,"2.0.0.0" "0246","COCO Lingerie - CBBE-TBD-BHUNP SE",39132,"2.0.0.0" "0248","RUSTIC CLOTHING - Special Edition",4703,"3.0.0.0" "0249","Vtaw Wardrobe 5 - CBBE SE - CBBE SMP - CBBE 3BA - BodySlide",44838,"1.0.0.0" "0250","Vtaw Wardrobe 5 - CBBE 3BA - BodySlide",44838,"1.1.0.0" "0251","Vtaw Wardrobe 4 - CBBE - BHUNP - BodySlide with 3BBB Support",31371,"2.0.0.0" "0252","Vtaw Wardrobe 4 - CBBE 3BBB (3BA) by Acro Bodyslides",31371,"2.0.0.0" "0253","3BA Vanilla Clothes and Armor",51610,"2.0.0.0" "0254","CBBE - 3BA Vanilla Armors - No Rim Lighting",59268,"1.0.0.0" "0255","YoRHa 2B Attire - TBD",48359,"f1.01" "0256","YoRHa 2B Attire - CBBE 3BA - BHUNP",50833,"f1.03" "0258","Simple Dual Sheath",50049,"1.5.3.0" "0259","RUSTIC ARMOR and WEAPONS SE",19666,"3.0.0.0" "0260","RUSTIC FORSWORN - Special Edition",18170,"1.0.0.0" "0261","Northern God Armor SE",63772,"1.0.0.0" "0262","Northern God Armor SE Fix",63772,"1.0.0.0" "0264","Wind Ruler Armor SE",60842,"1.0.0.0" "0265","Wind Ruler Armor SE Fix",60842,"1.0.0.0" "0266","Wind Ruler Armor - Female helmet no hair",60893,"1.1.0.0" "0267","Dynasty White Armor - CBBE v2 - Skimpy and Super Skimpy",32276,"4.2.0.0" "0268","Black Mage Armor SE",356,"1.10.0.0" "0269","Frankly HD Imperial Armor and Weapons",20848,"1.0.0.0" "0270","Frankly HD Thieves Guild Armors",19953,"1.0.0.0" "0271","Frankly HD Dawnguard Armor and Weapons",19663,"1.1.0.0" "0272","Frankly HD Dawnguard Armor CBBE SE",19663,"1.2.0.0" "0273","Frankly HD Shrouded Armor",18785,"1.1.0.0" "0274","Frankly HD Miraak [SSE]",19699,"1.0.0.0" "0275","Frankly HD Miraak - 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Live Another Life - SSE",272,"4.1.4.0" "0298","Castle Volkihar Rebuilt - SSE",324,"2.0.6.0" "0299","Skywyze Bromjunaar Anywhere",35991,"1.0.0.0" "0300","Zoom(mousewheel) Rebind and Additional Fire Hotkeys",3540,"ZoomOnly" "0301","New Player Female Voice Type",65134,"1.0.0.0" "0302","No Camera Collision (..no Fade out any more)",19310,"2.0.0.0" "0303","Winterberry Chateau - Player home",59346,"15.0.0.0" "0304","Revert Fortify Restoration Fix of the Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch",4391,"1.2.0.0" "0305","Take me home Apparition - Winterberry Chateau",59962,"1.0.0.0" "0306","Lockable Locks",238,"0.4.0.0"
Grey Cloud Posted July 24, 2022 Posted July 24, 2022 Perhaps if you get to know where the SE section is then things might start looking up.
bnub345 Posted July 24, 2022 Posted July 24, 2022 But they're on AE, so I guess there is no tech support section? (insert laughing here) Anyway a couple of things jump out at me. You are using two different versions of Address Library for some reason, which seems like a bad idea. XPMSSE is pretty high in your load order, you don't want those skeletons to be overwritten unless a mod specifically tells you to. Nemesis is also pretty high, and I don't see an output folder, which you should have if you setup MO2 properly. If you have a lot of animations, try using the animation limit crash fix or the settings in SSE engine fixes. And of course if you have any mods with SKSE plugins that are SE version instead of AE that will cause problems.
Tlam99 Posted July 24, 2022 Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, CummyWummyInmaTummy said: loot to sort my plugins Thats your problem. Never shovel around mods mid game. @Grey Cloudwill show up for sure, everything what he says about Loot is right, but not the full truth. The engine finds all references of esp and blabla. But there is one important thing more. The references used by scripts are handled different. This is baked into the save. I can feel it, you are not convinced ? Time for a demonstration. Open xedit, select a mod using masters and what uses references in scripts pointing to this masters. Just add a master loading before a referenced master used by a script. Check right side the references in script. All still ok. Now sort masters, the one added must load before the referenced one, to represent load order. Check right side script, well everything still ok. Now save, exit xedit and reopen this mod again with xedit. Boooh, all references are gone ! This is similar to sort with Loot midgame, shovel masrers around. Quest do no more start, mods behavior is strange and even ctd on load. Never sort midgame, always add new mods last place after bashed patch, never rebuild bashed patch midgame. So I recommend, start new game. Edited July 24, 2022 by Tlam99
CummyWummyInmaTummy Posted July 25, 2022 Author Posted July 25, 2022 5 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: Perhaps if you get to know where the SE section is then things might start looking up. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize it had it's own section. I'll post in the right section next time
CummyWummyInmaTummy Posted July 25, 2022 Author Posted July 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Tlam99 said: Thats your problem. Never shovel around mods mid game. @Grey Cloudwill show up for sure, everything what he says about Loot is right, but not the full truth. The engine finds all references of esp and blabla. But there is one important thing more. The references used by scripts are handled different. This is baked into the save. I can feel it, you are not convinced ? Time for a demonstration. Open xedit, select a mod using masters and what uses references in scripts pointing to this masters. Just add a master loading before a referenced master used by a script. Check right side the references in script. All still ok. Now sort masters, the one added must load before the referenced one, to represent load order. Check right side script, well everything still ok. Now save, exit xedit and reopen this mod again with xedit. Boooh, all references are gone ! This is similar to sort with Loot midgame, shovel masrers around. Quest do no more start, mods behavior is strange and even ctd on load. Never sort midgame, always add new mods last place after bashed patch, never rebuild bashed patch midgame. So I recommend, start new game. Okay, fair enough, I've even been adding mods mid game, and honestly, I'm not surprised it causes problems. In fact, I'm surprised it hasn't had more problems. I literally only had one issue, that I'm aware of, that was caused by adding a mod mid game, and it was able to be easily fixed by deleting a reference with a save editor. That aside, while I'm sure sorting mid game and adding mods probably is screwing things up, the crashes also happen when I start a new game. If it crashes when I load the save, it'll crash if I try to start a new game, and if it doesn't crash starting a new game, it won't crash loading the save, so my core issue seems to be something else.
CummyWummyInmaTummy Posted July 25, 2022 Author Posted July 25, 2022 4 hours ago, bnub345 said: But they're on AE, so I guess there is no tech support section? (insert laughing here) Anyway a couple of things jump out at me. You are using two different versions of Address Library for some reason, which seems like a bad idea. XPMSSE is pretty high in your load order, you don't want those skeletons to be overwritten unless a mod specifically tells you to. Nemesis is also pretty high, and I don't see an output folder, which you should have if you setup MO2 properly. If you have a lot of animations, try using the animation limit crash fix or the settings in SSE engine fixes. And of course if you have any mods with SKSE plugins that are SE version instead of AE that will cause problems. Hmmm The output folder thing might be part of the issue. I'll definitely look into that. Nemesis says I have 2.5k animations when it goes through it, so that probably counts as a lot. Like I said, the crashes are inconsistent, so it's hard to say if that's the issue, but I'll look into animation limit crash fix and the settings for SSE engine fixes as well. As for the extra address library version, it's hard to explain but I'll try. Basically, Poser Hotkey Plus isn't made for AE, but it works perfectly fine. The problem is it throws up a warning every time you load up the game saying the address library is missing. Adding the old version of the address library gets rid of the issue, and I'm told that SKSE mods will always use the version that actually matches that version of SKSE, so it shouldn't cause issues. However, either way, these crashes started around the time I switched from COCO body to 3BA, which was long before I added Poser Hotkey Plus in the first place, and getting rid of it doesn't seem to fix the issues.
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