Problem with Roderick's and Sir Latham's Horses During NotN Quest

[GMac2021]

Not sure what thread to put this in, so here we go...

 

Recently, I replaced my Lover's Creatures Sexual Organs suite of mods with a download from here that was supposed to make those mods irrelevant. I am not sure if it is "vanilla and cretures horse replacer.7z" or "VanillaCreaturesReplacer.7z" causing this problem, as I cannot replicate this issue using NifSkope.  The meshes all look peachy keen in NifSkope.

 

Actually, everything was working fine and dandy until I neared the end of the NotN WayShrine quest (I only have to visit the wayshrine of Stendarr - and I was ALMOST there...), then I happened upon Sir Roderick and Latham.  Upon meeting them, I was faced with THIS:

 

 

 

The only two horses in the game (so far) that do this.

 

My toon is brand new, clean save, fresh and exciting; and she is only level 2. She leveled up somewhere between Anvil and Bravil because I had to hit sh*t in the face to survive... but she is new and clean. Used Robert Evrae's "Alternative Start" mod, visited the "Prophet" in Anvil, ran through the WayShrines (only Stendarr is left) - and that is about it.

 

I can't replicate this error with Nifskope. All of my meshes look fine.

 

Honestly, I do not think it should be the responsibility of game players to go through every mesh and script using NifSkope or the CS to make sure your mod won't destroy, interfere with vanilla or DLC quests, or corrupt their game. It is idiotic to assume that everyone will pick through a mod you release with a fine-tooth comb before installing or using it. If you release it publically, it SHOULD work right out of the gate.

 

Anyone here have an idea of how I can go about fixing these horses? Sir Latham is going to die, and Roderick will eventually show up and ask me to help retrieve Latham's body and ultimately join me in the fight against against the Ayelieds - so this anomoly will probably not crop up again, and it is more than likely irrelvant.  But I still have to head to Bravil and click the WayShrine of Stendarr with these infinite horse meshes obscuring my game.

 

I spend more time using NifSkope, Tes4Edit and the CSE than I do actually playing the game. I remember why I deleted Oblivion over a year ago. Irrelevant load order is included just so I do not get yelled at:

 

 

 

00 Oblivion.esm
01 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm
02 Lovers with PK.esm
03 LoversCreature.esm
04 x117race.esm
05 Chanpon.esm
06 YoungerHotterNPCwithPussies.esp
07 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.4.3]
08 UOPS Additional Changes.esp
09 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0A Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.2]
++ USIPS Additional Changes.esp
0B ChaseCameraMod.esp
** Oblivion Vwalk UOS.esp
** DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp
** DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp
0C Get Wet.esp
0D Luchaire's Neck Seam Concealer.esp
0E Personality Idles - Modified version.esp [Version 1.5]
0F See You Sleep DLL.esp
10 Camping.esp
11 Reaper's Auto Equip Bikini.esp
12 Real_Mannequin.esp
13 kuerteeCleanUp.esp
14 PCB.esp
15 TryBeforeYouBuy.esp
16 Quick Clothes and Spells.esp
** EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp
++ EyelashesForVanillaRaces.esp [Version 2.0]
** HGEC_special_armor_repl.esp
++ MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp
17 Neck Seam Concealers Expanded.esp [Version 1.1-SI]
18 Neck Seam Concealers Expanded DD.esp [Version 1.1]
19 Neck Seam Concealers Expanded LL.esp [Version 1.1-SI-AT]
1A Hentai DMRA Collection.esp
1B AT2 01-Shiki Armor Set.esp
1C HTBShopInABottle.esp
1D FutaPriory.esp
1E Hentai Mania.esp
** Hentai Mania Vwalk.esp
1F Tona's_ModsStore.esp
20 HTBFLYCollection.esp
21 HTBMondsteinShop.esp
22 k1_CW7heaven.esp
23 Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
24 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
25 DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.8]
26 Knights.esp
27 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.3]
** Knights Vwalk UOP.esp
** EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp
28 sexy_island.esp
29 HentaiMania2.esp
** HentaiMania2 Vwalk.esp
2A RMDailyIncomeV2.esp
2B Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
2C Basic Personal Hygiene.esp [Version 2.8]
2D TinyHouse.esp
2E crusaderdress.esp
2F ArabianDancerDress.esp
30 MadCompanionshipSpells.esp [Version 2.5]
31 MCS extension.esp
32 SetBody.esp
++ SetbodyNoBB.esp
++ Spells No Lighting.esp
33 CombatFPSOptimizer.esp
34 Unequip Broken Armor.esp [Version 2.8.2]
35 idkrrr_sarameyesNhairs4originalrace.esp
36 HumantouchNPC.esp
** Woman's Move - Animation Replacer.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp
37 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp
++ x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp
38 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Race.esp
++ x117Race ENG Race.esp
39 Lop-ears Elf.esp
3A Chanpon_cha01.esp
3B IDKRRR_C_race.esp
3C idkrrr_sarams_race.esp
3D Chocolate Elves.esp
3E Synx.esp
3F From2ch Lives.esp
40 F2L_FaceChange.esp
41 Ta22's 01Army.esp
42 117NPCs.esp
43 City Life-x117.esp
44 F2LHideRaces.esp
45 F2LMiqoteAddon.esp
46 F2LAddon_MSElves.esp
++ EVE_KhajiitFix.esp
47 pussyfur.esp
48 spellstrip 1.0.esp
49 PEM_ChangeMod.esp
4A Bashed Patch, 0.esp
4B Maskar's Oblivion Overhaul.esp [Version 3.2.2]
4C LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp
4D LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp
4E LoversHooker.esp [Version 2.2]
4F LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP_HookerPatch.esp
50 LoversStripper.esp
51 LoversRaperS.esp
52 LoversJoburg.esp
53 LoversSlavePlay.esp
54 LoversBed.esp
55 PlayerSlaveEncounters.esp
56 LoversPayBandit.esp
57 PSE-PayBandit-Patch.esp
58 Lovers with PK.esp [Version 96]
59 LoversBitch.esp
5A LoversCreature.esp
5B Lovers with PK Extender.esp [Version 2.4.3]
5C LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp
5D LoversRapeSlave.esp
5E LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp
5F LoversSlaveTrader.esp
60 LSTBravilUnderground.esp
61 LoversMB2.esp
62 LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
63 LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

 

 

Now I am going to find Stendarr's WayShrine (I already know where they all are....), and I will see if Latham dies and Roderick cries like the little bitch that he is. 

[gregathit]

Modding is often "trial and error" so you really should not get too excited about this.

 

The issue more than likely is a conflicting skeleton for the horses.  I am guessing that the sexual organs "replacer" added a new skeleton and horse mesh and for whatever reason those two horses aren't using the correct combo.  This also "could" be an issue due to you having some left over parts and pieces in your creatures\horses folder and not be the fault of the plugin.  Nifskope won't help you troubleshoot this so don't bother wasting time on that.   

 

The best thing to do is use FormID Finder to figure out what meshes (and where) those two horses are using and then we can go from there.  The best thing to do is note down those two horse mesh names and then delete them and then copy and rename a mesh (or two) of the newly added meshes with the custom skeleton.

[GMac2021]

I can't find the problem with ANY meshes in NifSkope - and there are no infinite "horse penis" problems when I use another toon. I got to Bravil with my MoonShadow Lop-Eared Elf and EVERY horse penis (the horses in the stable, at least) was extending into infinity. I have to assume that my new girl just got corrupted right out of the gate and I should give up on her before I get attached.  I loaded a few different toons and ran to Bravil, and I cannot replicate this problem.  Arrrggghhh!!!!!!

 

The malfunctioning toon is a lop-eared MoonShadow Elf - my functioning toons are all pretty much vanilla; a Nord, an Imperial,a Breton and one (pseudo-vanilla) Chocolate Elf.  They all work and do not experience the infinite horse penis problem. Only the MoonShadow Elf is corrupted. Face, meet concrete block...

 

GregAtHit, I cannot believe how patient and level-headed you are.

 

I am STILL going to find the Wayshrine of Stendarr, find Roderick's body, and let Latham join the Knights of the Nine.

 

 

[gregathit]

Something sounds very strange there.  If the horse mesh needs a different skeleton then what race your PC is should not matter.....unless the clothing\armor that they are wearing is also broken.

 

You "may" have several issues that are "ganging up" on you.

 

Is the MS Elf an existing saved game or a brand new one?  If an existing save try making a quick and dirty new game with a MS Elf and run to Bravil to see if the horses are all "to infinity and BEYOND" or if they are fine.

[fejeena]

If you are using my Vanilla Creatures/horse replacer with horse dicks, there is a Skeleton in the hores Folder (meshes). Seems some other mod has overridden the Skeleton. Install the Skeleton once again. The "funny" thing is that only these two horses do not work. All horses with penis should have the stretching with the wrong Skeleton.

In NifSkope all horse meshes look Ok, because it is without Skeleton/Animation (the same with female upper Body.Yyou can't see the boob-stretching in NifScope, you only realize in the game if you have the correct skeleton.)

[GMac2021]

Something seems to have overwritten that skeleton, Fajeena - but I have NOT installed ANY new mods recently. I have to wonder if Maskar's Oblivion Overhaul has a script that is replacing skeletons - or doing something strange. I wanted to PM him tonight (as he has always been helpful), but I can barely get the nexus to load.

 

I had zero mesh-stretching this morning and did not install any other mods between then and this evening. The LopEars MSElf is wearing clothes & armour from R18PN. She was new, and I only starting noticing the issue when I met Roderick and what's his face. 

 

Re-installing Fajeena's Vanilla Creatures/Horses replacement skeleton has fixed the issue, but I ask you this:

 

Last year, I was having problems with Clannfear and Daedroth penises stretching off into the horizon after they had worked fine for months. I had to take the vanilla clannfear mesh and rename it to ClannfearArmor.nif and the problem went away. Same with DaedrothArmor. I am wondering if this an issue with cheap ATI graphics cards? Previously I had an ATI 4650 that started to behave very strangely before it died, now I am wondering if my horribly cheap ATI 6540 is giving up the ghost, as well.

 

I will make another new toon and see if the game glitches out after she levels up.

 

Reinstalling Fajeena's meshes seems to have fixed it for now, though.

 

 

[GMac2021]

I think I have confirmed (to myself, at least) that Maskar's Oblivion Overhaul is causing my "glitches" - at least in my game.

 

Here are a few (low res) screencaps for my own amusement :

 

 

 

 

 

Either something extremely bizarre has popped up in my game, or my favourite modder has finally contracted Blind Nexus Arrogance Disease. I guess the answer should be obvious when he states that he changes everything using scripts so there should be no conflicts. Dude! Where's My Bridge?

 

I probably should have realized that Maskar had lost his grip on reality when he included hyper-intelligent Freshwater Crabs in MOO that have the ability to steal my weapons and armour and stash them in their inventory. WTF? Or when he added insta-death Glow Dusts that have the ability to immediately drain 100% of my fatigue, and slowly suck the life and magika out of me as I lay prone on the ground for about three and a half minutes.

 

Actually, one of these Hyper Glow Dust things managed to wipe out the entire Skingrad Legion and three NPCs from From2ChanLives, along with two Imperial Guards before slowly draining my toon of her life.

 

I was lvl 20 at the time... I guess I am looking for a new overhaul...

 

 

 

 

[fejeena]

Now I know why all NPCs talk about mud crabs.  

[GMac2021]

I am not a competant enough modder to mess with Maskars Overhaul, but here is another example...

 

I have the new animated penis meshes installed along with the resources and it was all working perfectly. Then THIS happened...

 

 

I had to make a clean save (without MOO) to fix the problem. I installed no new mods, yet my skeletonbeast and other animal skeletons and meshes seem to automagically change at random. It either MOO or my computer is totally screwed.

 

Hurray for OMODS and BSA Archives! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[gregathit]

I am not a competant enough modder to mess with Maskars Overhaul, but here is another example...

 

I have the new animated penis meshes installed along with the resources and it was all working perfectly. Then THIS happened...

 

HyperDick.jpg

 

I had to make a clean save (without MOO) to fix the problem. I installed no new mods, yet my skeletonbeast and other animal skeletons and meshes seem to automagically change at random. It either MOO or my computer is totally screwed.

 

Hurray for OMODS and BSA Archives! 

 

Make sure you installed the latest version of the Animated Penis Resource Pack (v1.1).  In the original version (v1), I forgot to include the skeletonbeast.nif file so what you are seeing really could be my fault and not Maskars.  "Could" being the operational world as I don't know if he has skeletons included in his mod loose or in a bsa file.