Skullette Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 Although iv been to this form for mods im pretty much new to this fourm (and modding). And im courius on others vews on; Copyright Ripping Piracy ect. and with out any head biting off iv normaly seen on other forms wich came with this topic, please tell what you think and why. =3
Thulas Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 Although iv been to this form for mods im pretty much new to this fourm (and modding). And im courius on others vews on; Copyright Ripping Piracy ect. and with out any head biting off iv normaly seen on other forms wich came with this topic, please tell what you think and why. =3 The answer for that should be the same from everyone here. Copyright is important and needs to be respected. Piracy is illegal. Ripping is a form of piracy. Ect.: No oppinion on that.
Skullette Posted July 2, 2013 Author Posted July 2, 2013 copyright is fine but i've seen its laws go to far, or be stupid about something minor. there are quite a few things that are stupidly illegal, there are many broke people who barly had enough to get a computer let alone pay for a kickars game. and one director i think it was mention that piracy is a form of advertising for them and helps them gain fans. just my opinion tho =P
Thulas Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 copyright is fine but i've seen its laws go to far, or be stupid about something minor. there are quite a few things that are stupidly illegal, there are many broke people who barly had enough to get a computer let alone pay for a kickars game. and one director i think it was mention that piracy is a form of advertising for them and helps them gain fans. just my opinion tho =P Of course the laws for copyright are much away from being perfect, but there is a need for them. One of the worst things after creating a picture for example would be, that you don't even own it. You spend hours of work and creativity in it, and now it could be even illegal if you look at your own work. Not realyl good, is it? Yes, the other side is as stupid as the other one: you saw an awesome logo, and now you try to draw it on a paper to show it your friends. A few hours later you sit longer in jail than a pedophiliac rapist. Yay, law, awesome! If you ask one of these directors if they want to get a fan or earn money, you'd know what he'd take.
Skullette Posted July 2, 2013 Author Posted July 2, 2013 fans make money. If someone downloads it illegaly its prolly most lickly cuz he/she; A. cant find it for some reason or B. cant afford it. so its not like theyed get money from the pirates anyway. let me be more spesific, 'file sharing' is what im talking about. Pirating like copying and selling others work. Yes i agree its wrong, how ever, most who do it Are prolly poor as hell and has no where else to turn or somewhere else, just much much worse. Personaly i dont think people should be punished for being desperate.
Thulas Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 B. cant afford it. That's no reason to steal it. so its not like theyed get money from the pirates anyway. Yes, that's the point. If they can get money by selling it, why should they tollerate piracy where they don't earn a Cent? Personaly i dont think people should be punished for being desperate. A crime is a crime, and being desperate doesn't make anything better. Sure, probably the judges won't use the full strength of punishment, but still they will punish this person. He or she has done something wrong, the reasons aren't important.
Skullette Posted July 2, 2013 Author Posted July 2, 2013 file sharing is NOT theft. to steal something means to take a solid object from someone and they not have that object anymore. file sharing means to copy all thoes millions of 0s and 1s and post if for others to use. its copyed. also its not stealing the idea cuz i have yet to see someone post skyrim saying "I MADE THIS GAME." fans. people who play a game/watch a move will end up liking it (unless it sucks xD) and end up talking about it. or like skyrim, pirate it, make bad ass mods for it, and keep people intrested enough to buy the new dlc. and fans make money. fan tell people, people who can aford it buy it. people who cant pirate it and be come fans who then talk about it to make more fans and ect. And humans tolorate alot for money. Think that arnt even worth it that i wont get into. (legal things) a crime is only a crime when you make a law agenst it. The president can make a law agenst blue shirts or something stupid and that would then be a crime. hell, they could make blue shirts a crime, bring up some bs research to say why its bad in in a decade or more (or sooner) people would really belive its bad. then, vala, something stupid like blue shirts are a crime. also, the companys that make the games, normaly (or should, les it be there own loss) can have like 'insurance' where they still make money even if people pirate it. and they make millions just with one game/movie. So what is a few broke computer geeks gonna do to there profit? not a damn thing cuz they wouldnt get money from them anyway =T
Endiness Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 You need to explain more of what you expect from this topic. I used to have a link or two to articles on piracy with a fair perspective, and I'll add them if I find them. I can't think of anything on the internet that isn't a luxury, so you can probably without. If you feel something should be cheaper, than that's another story (probably worth a debate). If you expect to have things without paying for them, then well...idk. I'm constantly running into [ A. I'm not paying for that. Fuck that. B. Why not? C. Cuz I don't have to. ] kind of mentality. It just makes me think of this picture I saw. Edit: PC Game Piracy Examined Link to piracy rates Forum thread that is quite old, but I felt was an interesting read. I'm pretty sure free advertisement was brought up, and seeing as this industry is no where near Hollywood popularity, It was interesting to see how SOME of those artists felt about the free advertisement proposal. Top 10 myths about Copyright
Skullette Posted July 2, 2013 Author Posted July 2, 2013 no i belive everything has a price, but due to a sh*ty world we live in people can be to poor to have those luxeries. my point is i dont think it needs to be so much of a crime. and i was hopeing to have more people post. i like hearing other opinion and even debating it. it gives a broader perspective when the right point is brought up. iv seen many people like that, tho in my exsperiance, this is the kind of people i've meet. pure doughbags people who you'd think at first douchbags but are much better and loyal friends once you get to know em and people who ud think the sun shines out there ars when you first met but are more of a douchbag than the douchbag. and one in a while someone who acualy act cool and is cool.
Thulas Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 to steal something means to take a solid object from someone and they not have that object anymore No, that's not right, stealing doesn't need to go with matieral objects; or have you never heard "he stole my idea"? make bad ass mods for it, I doubt that there are much who get a cracked version and use it to create mods. and keep people intrested enough to buy the new dlc. If they have an illegal copy of the game, why should they buy the DLC legal? a crime is only a crime when you make a law agenst it. Haven't we talked about "copyright laws" a bit earlier? Also, this doesn't make crime out of despair a good thing anyway. So what is a few broke computer geeks gonna do to there profit? If there is profit to make, then it is a good thing (for them), doesn't matter if you get a million more above the billions you already got. Profit is profit.
Thulas Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 iv seen many people like that, tho in my exsperiance, this is the kind of people i've meet. pure doughbags people who you'd think at first douchbags but are much better and loyal friends once you get to know em and people who ud think the sun shines out there ars when you first met but are more of a douchbag than the douchbag. and one in a while someone who acualy act cool and is cool. But isn't that just a normal thing? It doesn't matter how rich, which ethnical group or sexual orientation they have, the thing you described there only depends on their personality.
Skullette Posted July 2, 2013 Author Posted July 2, 2013 thoes personalitys come in all grades of welth, in all sexualitys and groups. that only has minor changes to personalitys. im talking abotu everyone iv meet in general, being rich dosent MAKE you a douch, nor does being poor, or being gay or straight. i was talking purly on their personalitys not also what group society puts them in. my post had more to do with your pic than the copyright topic.
Skullette Posted July 2, 2013 Author Posted July 2, 2013 to steal something means to take a solid object from someone and they not have that object anymore No, that's not right, stealing doesn't need to go with matieral objects; or have you never heard "he stole my idea"? make bad ass mods for it, I doubt that there are much who get a cracked version and use it to create mods. and keep people intrested enough to buy the new dlc. If they have an illegal copy of the game, why should they buy the DLC legal? a crime is only a crime when you make a law agenst it. Haven't we talked about "copyright laws" a bit earlier? Also, this doesn't make crime out of despair a good thing anyway. So what is a few broke computer geeks gonna do to there profit? If there is profit to make, then it is a good thing (for them), doesn't matter if you get a million more above the billions you already got. Profit is profit. again, what pirate says "I MADE THIS MOVE/GAME" i can prove you wrong on that one. i said they make mods to keep OTHERS intrested to buy the dlcs, the pirates still to broke to pay for a $20 new quest. exsample, i watched yugioh when i was young but not much. after a while i didnt even see it for a decade maybe. then, my friend shows me the abriges series, and i end up watching 1/3-1/2 of the yugioh seiries. never said it was a good thing, i just never said it was a bad thing that should get people put in jail and have there kids taken. war kill and its profit, does that make it 'good'? sending inocent people to jail or fining someone for somethign retarded like, not noticing the sign that said not to park here is profitable.
Skullette Posted July 2, 2013 Author Posted July 2, 2013 You probably mean Endiness now. duno what you mean. ---- over 50 views and we're the only ones posting? xD
Thulas Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 You probably mean Endiness now. duno what you mean. ---- over 50 views and we're the only ones posting? xD http://www.loverslab.com/topic/18812-views-on-copyright/?p=436152
Thulas Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 again, what pirate says "I MADE THIS MOVE/GAME" That never was the point. i said they make mods to keep OTHERS intrested to buy the dlcs As I said, I doubt that there are many pirates who use their game to create mods. We lack a statistic here, so we can not argue about any facts, which makes it irrelevant. i said they make mods to keep OTHERS intrested to buy the dlcs, the pirates still to broke to pay for a $20 new quest. exsample, i watched yugioh when i was young but not much. after a while i didnt even see it for a decade maybe. then, my friend shows me the abriges series, and i end up watching 1/3-1/2 of the yugioh seiries. I actually can't see what that has to do with piracy. war kill and its profit, does that make it 'good'? Yes, for the companies who produce items used during war like gun-factories, but also can-food-factories or every oil company, war is a good thing. sending inocent people to jail There allways were sent innocent people to jail, and there allways will be, because the law-system can't be perfect and the progress of judging can't be either. Still we are talking about people who commit a crime by acting against the law. And no one acting against he law is innocent.
Skullette Posted July 2, 2013 Author Posted July 2, 2013 to the global software piracy link, i think they are talkign about a people who SELL the files. im talking about free downloads. http://bgr.com/2013/04/01/hbo-online-piracy-analysis-408449/ ^ link on how the devs say piracy has helped game of thrones sales. http://torrentfreak.com/online-piracy-is-not-hurting-music-revenues-european-commission-finds-130318/ again, helps. and tho this is europ its talking about your global link says europ has more piracy, so~ http://www.gameproducer.net/2011/12/20/why-piracy-isnt-hurting-gaming-industry-sort-of/ though i should add atleast one on gaming. havent had the chance to read them all the way through.
Skullette Posted July 2, 2013 Author Posted July 2, 2013 again, what pirate says "I MADE THIS MOVE/GAME" That never was the point. i said they make mods to keep OTHERS intrested to buy the dlcs As I said, I doubt that there are many pirates who use their game to create mods. We lack a statistic here, so we can not argue about any facts, which makes it irrelevant. i said they make mods to keep OTHERS intrested to buy the dlcs, the pirates still to broke to pay for a $20 new quest. exsample, i watched yugioh when i was young but not much. after a while i didnt even see it for a decade maybe. then, my friend shows me the abriges series, and i end up watching 1/3-1/2 of the yugioh seiries. I actually can't see what that has to do with piracy. war kill and its profit, does that make it 'good'? Yes, for the companies who produce items used during war like gun-factories, but also can-food-factories or every oil company, war is a good thing. sending inocent people to jail There allways were sent innocent people to jail, and there allways will be, because the law-system can't be perfect and the progress of judging can't be either. Still we are talking about people who commit a crime by acting against the law. And no one acting against he law is innocent then why can the CK be pirated? copyright more like LK gets bs from youtube sometimes for copyright. and yet i wouldnt even be intrested in yugioh if it wasnt for him. for the companys, killing inocents is good for them yes. but does that really mean we should laydown and die for a rich ass hole who just wants more paper? acting agenst the law dosnt make you bad, from what i understand, everything hitler did, was legal. tbh, im an anarchist, so i belive sence the judical system isnt perfect and send innocent people to jail. we shouldnt use it. pirating a game is almsot like using your book and reading it to a million people. they didnt pay to hear the story. but the book has more fans wich mean more publisity wich means; more sales. i wont deny there are some who pirate just cuz they can, and im not saying piracy is right, or stealing is right. tho to me it does holy depend on the intent so to speek. if a man robs a rich house for breed to feed his starving son, thats a crime, and to some thats bad, but to his son, his father his a hero. not sayign piracy is quite the same, im just talking about intent. about crime; i cant remeber wich, but a conty decrimalised all drug; and guss what happend? money the drug dealers got droped sence it wasnt illegal and drug used droped by i think around 50% or so. and insted of treating the adicts like crimanals, they where treated like health pateints. one of the biggest 'profit' it to put a fine on something.
Skullette Posted July 2, 2013 Author Posted July 2, 2013 sorry for triple posting xD if you dont reply before this one; incase i fall asleep at my keybord i need to bring this point. my cousin, her of this band, gorillaz. after he fell in love with the music. He bough 2 dics. had to go 1-2 hour drive to get it. he found it by piracy, and both the music company and the gas company ended up making money from him. granted that was a while back and he broke as hell now and cant even aford the gas so now he would have to burn a cd. cuz hes broke. So, sence he's broke, they wouldnt get anymore money anyway. and he's pirated skyrim, and modding it. And i quote him; "Im only pirating becouse i cant pay for it. Id love to give bethisda (cant remeber how to spell it) my money for such a awesome game if i could." publisity, and a potental buyer when he gets a better job. -- sorry for making that point yet again i just had forgotten to add that the first time.
Thulas Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 to the global software piracy link, i think they are talkign about a people who SELL the files. im talking about free downloads. http://bgr.com/2013/04/01/hbo-online-piracy-analysis-408449/ ^ link on how the devs say piracy has helped game of thrones sales. http://torrentfreak.com/online-piracy-is-not-hurting-music-revenues-european-commission-finds-130318/ again, helps. and tho this is europ its talking about your global link says europ has more piracy, so~ http://www.gameproducer.net/2011/12/20/why-piracy-isnt-hurting-gaming-industry-sort-of/ though i should add atleast one on gaming. havent had the chance to read them all the way through. im talking about free downloads. It doesn't matter if you do it for profit or not, it isn't any less legal that way. havent had the chance to read them all the way through. Same here.
Skullette Posted July 2, 2013 Author Posted July 2, 2013 maybe but there's more of a negative effect to the company if its for profit.
Emily Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 And disney own every children storybooks they didn't fucking made.
Skullette Posted July 2, 2013 Author Posted July 2, 2013 lol, never thought of that.. guess copyright dosent mean you have to be the creator. just mean you have legal clams over it. still sound like bs to me xD
Thulas Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 "Im only pirating becouse i cant pay for it. Id love to give bethisda (cant remeber how to spell it) my money for such a awesome game if i could." Oh, so it's ok to steal a car that you'd love to have if you don't have the money? If he can't pay for it then it is his problem, but that really is no excuse for piracy. It isn't even noble from him that he wants to pay for it if he gets the money, since he is ment to do that anyway. You want something, you pay for it, you get it. Seriously, how could anyone possible think that this idea would be good? No one forces him that he has to get Skyrim, so this is a very, very bad excuse. then why can the CK be pirated? Show me any file or programm that can not be pirated. for the companys, killing inocents is good for them yes. You are mixing things up here. acting agenst the law dosnt make you bad, from what i understand, everything hitler did, was legal. Worng. It was highly illegal what Hitler did, he just tried to let it look like it would be legal, that's what most dictators do. For example was the vote that lead the NSDAP to power was highly manipulated, they forced other MP with threads and violence to either vote for the NSDAP or not letting them appear to the vote at all (which also would result to more votes for the NSDAP). But the fact is: most people don't know. Same goes with the economy-politics of Hitler. Most think it was good, but if you take a look at the financials, he almost ruined the German economy. if a man robs a rich house for breed to feed his starving son, thats a crime, and to some thats bad, but to his son, his father his a hero. not sayign piracy is quite the same, im just talking about intent. The intention doesn't matter. Or does the noble thought to remove poverty legitimize to kill all who don't earn a specific value per month? I don't think so. Regardless of what you intend to do, what you actually do is the point that makes something good or bad. pirating a game is almsot like using your book and reading it to a million people. True, but it's your book. If you want to do that with it, it's your decision. But you aren't allowed to make this decision for other people's porperty. one of the biggest 'profit' it to put a fine on something. But here you go again; what profit do you (and not any "dealer") directly get by piracy?
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