Skryim SE First Person Breast Stretch Bug

[vnathanj]

So i've been trying to install Cbbe 3bbb for my character and I have followed a few tutorials but I just can't seem to fix the first person bug pictured below.

I downloaded all the necessary mods for this which consist of: 

FNIS

RaceMenu

XP32 Maxium Skeleton Special Extended

Bodyslide and Outfit Studio

Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer (CBBE)

Fair Skin Complexion for CBBE

HDT SMP

CBPC - Physics with Collisions

CBBE 3BA

 

Maybe I am doing something wrong in bodyslide? Any suggestions?

[anjenthedog]

hmm... well, that could be legit  "problem" or it could be done purposefully (or by accident) with Bodyslide/racemenu adjustments, so I'd have to see some other views to get a clear picture. (side and 3/4-front would be of particular benefit).

 

As far as software failures that can produce abnormal breasts, normally, (in my direct experience) a "stretching" issue is the result of a generally failed HDT-SMP 'subsystem'. In the case of HDT-SMP issues, for me and for countless posts I've read it's usually

1. HDT-SMP (whichever version you use or should use) was improperly installed or is missing dependencies, or is the wrong version for the game version, etc
2. something else is interfering with it, ie a mod contention, or a script, etc. For instance, when you see breasts sunk inside the chest cavity, or drooping into the ground....this is a good candidate for the problem source. If not...
3. a problem with the skeleton can be a cause for this sort of thing.  For this, first, make sure nothing is improperly overwriting the skeleton. If nothing is, then one *could reinstall the skeleton, just to make sure. I had one temporary instance about a year ago where that solved my issue
4. it is in a temporary state of "wonked out".  - This one can usually be solved by running smp reset  from console). SMP has certain natural instabilities, (or at least the older version I'm using for 1.5.97... I believe the latest "fast" version has improved stability). And HDT has some bottleneck points too (those weird occurrences of wigs that have a node that sticks to the air on rare occasion, so when you walk, it's like pulling a rubber band?) . Anyway, both failures are something most of us will encounter (via Skyrim glitches). For the first, smp reset is a common solution , for the second, unequip reequip the wig/skirt/etc usually does the trick.

Beyond that, I can't say.

 

 

Edited March 13, 2022 by anjenthedog

[The Lonesome Spirit]

You ever find a fix?

[traison]

Thats most likely because you have a first person mesh installed that contains a body, and the current physics engines do not work on the first person skeleton. The "fix" is either Improved Camera, JOP and removing the first person body.

[ilyans]

On 4/28/2023 at 1:12 PM, traison said:

Thats most likely because you have a first person mesh installed that contains a body, and the current physics engines do not work on the first person skeleton. The "fix" is either Improved Camera, JOP and removing the first person body.

I need a solution for this issue too...  Could you be a bit more specific? I'd  just find out  the issue with your help. After thinking so much and not finding the /data folder I assumed it was on the  /overwrite at modarchives  portable folder, am I right? Is those which i need to delete then get  the  JOP skelly there? Or just deleting those "1stperson"  as you said?

Edited June 4, 2023 by ilyans

[traison]

Well it's just a theory. I would inspect the first person meshes of the affected armors before going on a file deletion rampage. If the body is visible in the 1st person mesh when viewed in NifSkope then that would be a problem. So:

1. Wear some armor ingame that has this issue. The naked body is also armor.
2. Find the ARMO record of the armor using xEdit.
3. Locate the associated ARMA record(s).
4. Locate the nif used for the 1st person mesh.
5. Open the nif in NifSkope. Determine if it's a problem.
6. Find which mod the nif came from using your mod manager.
7. Remove the mod.

Example for the naked body:

1.  [00] Skyrim.esm (7CAB85A9) \ Armor \ 00000D64 <SkinNaked>
2.  [00] Skyrim.esm (7CAB85A9) \ Armor Addon \ 00000D67 <NakedTorso>
3. Actors\Character\Character Assets\1stPersonFemaleBody_1.nif

As for what overwrite is, and what those files are. Think of overwrite as a mod that is always loaded last, always overwriting anything that came before it. In the end, it all comes together and forms the data directory through the fancy magic contained within MO2's usvfs; and no, tri files do not have anything to do with this directly. Tri files are generated by BodySlide to provide morph data to nif files. You're looking for nif files.

[anjenthedog]

Just install Improved Camera and be done with it. Its latest revision is almost flaw proof, and it really "changes the game" on the issue of first person. (still not quite there on arm position in 1st person when in combat stance, but whatever, that's minor).  Latest release is located here

 

PS> regarding " Is those which i need to delete", word of unrequested advise... do not "just delete" anything casually.

[traison]

If Improved Camera does not use the 1st person meshes (I don't see why it would) then yeah ignore what I said and do what @anjenthedog suggested. That is unless you have some other reason to "fix" these 1st person meshes.

[anjenthedog]

1 hour ago, traison said:

If Improved Camera does not use the 1st person meshes (I don't see why it would) then yeah ignore what I said and do what @anjenthedog suggested. That is unless you have some other reason to "fix" these 1st person meshes.

that's the thing. I think folks  often over reading the situation. IC provides a good solution to the 1st person view issues many experience. Not all of course (as I noted, 1st person combat stance vs 3rd person still isn't the same with IC... and some views are wonky in 1st person when in SL events). Playing code-god (as a basically normal player) and deleting files willy nilly isn't the answer.

 

It has a novel windows-shell in-game menu too.  (weeeeee!)

 

As you noted, tri files are for Racemenu... next problem after willy nilly panic delete operation "Why doesn't Racemenu work anymore?"

Edited June 5, 2023 by anjenthedog

[ruhacsomag]

... just a trial option.

An alternative way to fix it is to use and install the appropriate program. 

 

like for example:  Hecate Sealed BodySlide Preset for CBBE 3BBB 3BA and BHUNP

 

[Chlodwig]

Okay, it looks in my game the same but I thought that this is an issue with joy of perspective that I have installed. Never thought that this could be an error.

[PhantaCat]

Have this issue after installing the 3bbb update for The Amazing World Of Bikini Armors. Every bikini I wear does this in first person, and I had no first person mods at the time it started. I then installed the latest immersive fist person mod to see if it fixes it like the one person suggested in this post's comments. Mod works great, but the other mod is still doing the stretched out breasts glitch with the armors, and only the bikini armors. IDK the issue anymore, and I'm going insane trying to figure out how to fix this. Been 3 days, for hours every day I've been trying to fix this and IDK what to do anymore.

[Invicting]

This bug has nothing to do with Immersive First Person.

I don't have any mod installed that changes the first person view (completely new installation of the whole game on a new pc) but have the same issue with SOME armors.

 

As far as I can tell all armors that say "[3BA]" cause this glitch.

SMP, HDT etc. work just fine.

 

So I guess the problem might be the way we (= users) installed the "CBBE 3BA (3BBB)"-body-mod and/or the way the armour-mod-authers installed/used it for creating. But as not everybody seems to have this glitch I might be wrong.

 

Checked my installation several times and the requirement in those armour-mods. Now mistake on this site.

 

So just as @PhantaCat I'm stuck 🤷‍♀️ My only solution is: immediately test new armor mods in game. And if they cause this bug delete them right away and play without them ...

[traison]

14 minutes ago, Invicting said:

This bug has nothing to do with Immersive First Person.

 

In some sense this is correct. All the JOP mod does is replace the 1st person meshes that normally only contain arms and sleeves, with meshes that contain the entire body. So, yes, you can get this "bug" by simply installing an armor mod that was made for JOP, you don't need the JOP mod to trigger it - it's a vanilla game mechanic being abused.

 

If you want to fix these on a per-armor basis, then the quick and dirty way to do it is to simply delete 1st person mesh field from the affected ARMA record. The "proper" way to do it, is to make a 1st person mesh from the 3rd person armor. Masking everything except for the arms and deleting the polygons in Outfit Studio does a decent job I find.

[danna233]

Similar problem. But only with hands in first person, fingers turn into spaghetti. I think it is connected with SMP gloves. Without gloves, hands are fine.  So I suspect that this can happen if you turn on the breast SMP

Edited February 27, 2025 by danna233

[Invicting]

21 hours ago, traison said:

 

In some sense this is correct. All the JOP mod does is replace the 1st person meshes that normally only contain arms and sleeves, with meshes that contain the entire body. So, yes, you can get this "bug" by simply installing an armor mod that was made for JOP, you don't need the JOP mod to trigger it - it's a vanilla game mechanic being abused.

 

If you want to fix these on a per-armor basis, then the quick and dirty way to do it is to simply delete 1st person mesh field from the affected ARMA record. The "proper" way to do it, is to make a 1st person mesh from the 3rd person armor. Masking everything except for the arms and deleting the polygons in Outfit Studio does a decent job I find.

 

Sorry, maybe I was too short with my post and created a misunderstanding. 🙂 

 

What I wanted to say is that this bug definitely occurs even if you

a) don't use mods that change the "vanilla first person view" (= you only see arms and your weapons, no body) at all and

b) the armor does not have IFPV, JOP or similar mods as dependencies.

 

I didn't want to suggest that this bug might be caused because it needs IFPV and you have JOP installed or vice versa.

I hope I got your post right?

 

 

In other words: I played skyrim on a PC that never in its lifetime had any touch with IFPV, JOP or other mods like this. So there is no possibility of corruption caused by data fragments that might be left behind even after removing a mod or re-installing the entire game. Also, the armors don't have IFPV, JOP or other mods like this as a depenency.

 

 

It's maybe easier to make an example.

See this armor: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/113540

 

Requierements:

BodySlide and Outfit Studio
CBBE 3BA (3BBB)
FSMP - Faster HDT-SMP

RaceMenu High Heels (Height Fixes)
XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended - XPMSSE 

 

Installed:

BodySlide and Outfit Studio
CBBE 3BA (3BBB)
FSMP - Faster HDT-SMP
XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended - XPMSSE

 

(RaceMenu is only needed for the high heels. Let's ignore them by now because the shoes don't cause this glitch but the body armor does even without wearing thos shoes.)

 

In game (after running BodySlide, of course) you have the glitch observed by vnathanj.

 

Most other outfits with the very same dependencies work just fine. Physics on body, physics on coats, physics everywhere 😛

But this one is one of the view that create this clipping. It says nothing about IFPV/JOP as a requirement and in the files I can't find anything first person-related. So if there are some first person meshes in the armor I don't know where or how to find them. I know armors where there are meshes (i think, not sure) that are named something like "xyz_1stperson") but this is none of them.

It also seems that this kind of bug occours only to a few players at all.

 

Maybe someone who got the CK running (I failed ...) can check this mod?

 

I'll be honest: If I find a cool armor, I test it. And if I get this glitch I delete it right away. No big deal for me, there are plenty of other armors out there (and I play in first person most of the time).

But on the other hand it just drives me crazy that I have no clue why this thing happens. Like I said I can imagine that this is caused somewhere in the installation process of 3BA and I bet it's one of this facepalm-solutions where you just say "omg of course THIS is the mistake I made" 😄 

 

[traison]

1 hour ago, Invicting said:

It's maybe easier to make an example.

 

Magecore has 3rd person meshes in the 1st person mesh field. It's a JOP armor.

 

I'll try to upload an image to show you in a bit. Can't upload images to LL for some reason.

 

Edit: Can't upload, tried several browsers and machines. Just got to take my word for it I guess. 😁

 

Edit again: Sent a PM with a link to the image.

Edited February 27, 2025 by traison

[tomaxxamot]

Hey folks, for anybody having this issue and wondering what the fix is, this is the fix:

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/107227

Edited April 27, 2025 by tomaxxamot

[Vibe]

The issue for anyone looking for a solution and got this link while googling is you applied a 'patch' you didn't need.

 

Specifically the patch for "The Joy of Perspective" while setting up XP32.

 

It is a crap first person mod that hasn't been updated since 2017. To remove it you can simply use the 'reinstall' feature for your mod manager and unselect the patch. (Obviously don't forget to run Bodyslide and FNIS any time you make any changes)

 

If you've done things right the existing mods will already provide a good full first person body on their own.