Bhalforii Posted June 19, 2013 Posted June 19, 2013 I'm at my wits end. I, without exception, get CTD'd when I try to load into Bravil Underground and The Feed-bag. Other cells are ok. Though I havent tried every single one in the game My loadorder is short: Oblivion.esm Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm Lovers with PK.esm TamagoClub.esm HiyokoClub.esm LoversCreature.esm x117race.esm DLCShiveringIsles.esp Idle Dialogue.esp All normal clothes buyable.esp Tavern-Goers 2.esp Crowded Roads Revisited.esp MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp Forbidden.esp Argent Iron Armor.esp DianoArmor2.esp Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp Lops_hidden_village.esp Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp Knights.esp HiyokoQuestTarget.esp LoversHooker.esp LoversHiyokoShooter.esp TamagoNews.esp LoversTamagoClub.esp LoversEncounter.esp HiyokoGenerator.esp HiyokoGeneratorCreature.esp TamagoSetBody.esp LoversRaperS.esp LoversBed.esp Lovers with PK.esp LoversBitch.esp LoversCreature.esp LoversTrueCrime.esp LoversSlaveTrader.esp LSTBravilUnderground.esp LSTaddonInH.esp LSTaddonoutH.esp Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp BudongsNarcolepsySpell.esp SetBody.esp AutoSetBody.esp Moonshadow Elves - NoSc.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp Lop-ears Elf.esp LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp LoversStalkerM.esp LoversStripper.esp PlayerSlaveEncounters_V0.68.esp PatzyIntnlBikinitops.esp Colourwheels Sexy & extremely short dress.esp BitchTattoo.esp DMRA Stock Robe Skimpy Replacer.esp DMRA Skimpy Armor Expanded.esp DMRA Stock Clothing Skimpy.espI have the latest OBSE. Using steam.TES4Edit says there are no conflicts. BOSS'd my loadorder and everything seems more stable, except the aforementioned problem. And the reason I put DMRA replacers at the end is that that's the only place where they will show up in game.So, what in the world do these two cells have in common? I've removed the two mods (tavern goers and crowded roads revised) that spawn npcs. But to no avail.I have a feeling its a simple loadorderproblem, since the CTD is so persistent, but I've tried to fix it for so long. So, that's why I'm asking. And I have tried the example loadorder thats posted in the sticky.Thank you beforehand! English is not my first language
Poontank Posted June 19, 2013 Posted June 19, 2013 Can't say much about possible causes since I'm not familiar with many of the Lovers mods in your list, but the classic load order problem is this: LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp must be loaded last. Move them to the bottom of the list. If the stock clothing replacers need to be at the bottom to take effect you might try placing them below these two esps, but in general the bottom of the list is the only correct position for the two esps mentioned. I suspect BOSS is responsible. Exclude Lovers mods from being shifted around by BOSS.
Poontank Posted June 19, 2013 Posted June 19, 2013 Unrelated to the problem at hand, just a shameless plug: Looking at your mod list, I see you are using that NPC mod Yuravica once made, 'Lops_hidden_village.esp'... May I interest you in this? I've just replaced the old download link with an attachment of a new, cleaned archive. Back when I worked on that mod I didn't know jack about dirty edits and 'TES4Edit', so there were 3 ITMs included. Dunno wether they were already present before I edited the esp or I did introduce them. Now the mod is perfectly clean and thus more safe to use.
fejeena Posted June 19, 2013 Posted June 19, 2013 You did not read the Mod description of BravilUnderground addon or the ignore-me (readme) ONLY USE ONE ESP LSTaddonInH.esp = doors in the Underground City, and you need meshes and texture Folders from the "My horse" Folder. LSTaddonoutH.esp = doors behind Silver Home on the water, and you need meshes and texture Folders from the "My horse" Folder. ONLY USE ONE ESP
Bhalforii Posted June 19, 2013 Author Posted June 19, 2013 Can't say much about possible causes since I'm not familiar with many of the Lovers mods in your list, but the classic load order problem is this: LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp must be loaded last. Move them to the bottom of the list. If the stock clothing replacers need to be at the bottom to take effect you might try placing them below these two esps, but in general the bottom of the list is the only correct position for the two esps mentioned. I suspect BOSS is responsible. Exclude Lovers mods from being shifted around by BOSS. The two esp's are now in place and I wont touch BOSS again until I get a stable order, so I can edit the userlist This is only a personal loadorder, does not mean it works for everybody or that it is proper, but my own game runs without ctd, all race mods in my game are at the top of the list with BP at the very top, then loverswithPK.esp and loverscreatures.esp and any lovers plug-ins requiring BP to be loaded before them, then all secondary(armor/clothing/weapons) mods with LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp at the bottom and LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp under it being very bottom. I use tes4edit to set my load order, it tells me what mods need to go above what other mods. a little tedious but worth the effort. I've put the racemods in the top and doublechecked so that the loversmods are in the correct order. Unrelated to the problem at hand, just a shameless plug: Looking at your mod list, I see you are using that NPC mod Yuravica once made, 'Lops_hidden_village.esp'... May I interest you in this? I've just replaced the old download link with an attachment of a new, cleaned archive. Back when I worked on that mod I didn't know jack about dirty edits and 'TES4Edit', so there were 3 ITMs included. Dunno wether they were already present before I edited the esp or I did introduce them. Now the mod is perfectly clean and thus more safe to use. Thank you! I would never have found it on my own Acctually just found Yuravica's mod yesterday and havent been able to check it out. You did not read the Mod description of BravilUnderground addon or the ignore-me (readme) ONLY USE ONE ESP LSTaddonInH.esp = doors in the Underground City, and you need meshes and texture Folders from the "My horse" Folder. LSTaddonoutH.esp = doors behind Silver Home on the water, and you need meshes and texture Folders from the "My horse" Folder. ONLY USE ONE ESP I understand your frustration, that people dont read the readme and then complain, but I can assure you I dont run the game with both esps loaded. I've heavily (and successfully) modded both FNV and Skyrim so I know the importance of readmes Dont know why they were ticked when I exported the list. Wish that was the problem, but it isnt My new loadorder, the problem persists. Oblivion.esm Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm x117race.esm Lovers with PK.esm TamagoClub.esm HiyokoClub.esm LoversCreature.esm DLCShiveringIsles.esp Moonshadow Elves - NoSc.esp Lop-ears Elf.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp Idle Dialogue.esp All normal clothes buyable.esp Tavern-Goers 2.esp RMDailyIncomeV2.esp Crowded Roads Revisited.esp MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp Forbidden.esp Argent Iron Armor.esp DianoArmor2.esp Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp Knights.esp LoversHooker.esp TamagoNews.esp LoversTamagoClub.esp LoversHiyokoShooter.esp LoversEncounter.esp HiyokoQuestTarget.esp HiyokoGenerator.esp HiyokoGeneratorCreature.esp TamagoSetBody.esp LoversRaperS.esp LoversBed.esp Lovers with PK.esp LoversBitch.esp LoversCreature.esp LoversTrueCrime.esp LoversSlaveTrader.esp LSTBravilUnderground.esp LSTaddonoutH.esp Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp BudongsNarcolepsySpell.esp SetBody.esp AutoSetBody.esp Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp LoversStalkerM.esp LoversStripper.esp PlayerSlaveEncounters_V0.68.esp PatzyIntnlBikinitops.esp Colourwheels Sexy & extremely short dress.esp BitchTattoo.esp DMRA Stock Robe Skimpy Replacer.esp DMRA Skimpy Armor Expanded.esp DMRA Stock Clothing Skimpy.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp Lops_hidden_village.esp LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
gregathit Posted June 19, 2013 Posted June 19, 2013 Your problem is failing to properly read and install ALL REQUIREMENTS. Go back and READ the requirements for Bravil Underground. Hint: You MUST install BOTH MBP 1.4a AND MBP++ v98a. If you had done so you would have around 12 MBP esp files and you only have about half of that. Correct that and you will fix your crashing.
Bhalforii Posted June 19, 2013 Author Posted June 19, 2013 Your problem is failing to properly read and install ALL REQUIREMENTS. Go back and READ the requirements for Bravil Underground. Hint: You MUST install BOTH MBP 1.4a AND MBP++ v98a. If you had done so you would have around 12 MBP esp files and you only have about half of that. Correct that and you will fix your crashing. You don't have to be so mean. I read and installed the mod and it's requirements perfectly and played many hours of Bravil underground the passing week without any crashes, but I hadnt noticed that something had removed my MBP++v98a-files today.
fejeena Posted June 19, 2013 Posted June 19, 2013 And the load order is still not ok LoversHooker.esp down to Lovers mods The clothing and armor Mods at the end up to the other Cloth/armor mods. And MBP ESPs see here in the Spoiler http://www.loverslab.com/topic/4487-please-read-before-posting-here/?do=findComment&comment=100862
gregathit Posted June 19, 2013 Posted June 19, 2013 Your problem is failing to properly read and install ALL REQUIREMENTS. Go back and READ the requirements for Bravil Underground. Hint: You MUST install BOTH MBP 1.4a AND MBP++ v98a. If you had done so you would have around 12 MBP esp files and you only have about half of that. Correct that and you will fix your crashing. You don't have to be so mean. I read and installed the mod and it's requirements perfectly and played many hours of Bravil underground the passing week without any crashes, but I hadnt noticed that something had removed my MBP++v98a-files today. Wait....I took the time to translate the mod, write up the requirements for it and post them so no one could miss them, and even bothered to point you in the right direction and you accuse me of "being mean". Wow....just.....wow. Oh and that "something" was you. MBP++ doesn't uninstall itself. Ah well, you can't help some folks, no matter how hard you try.
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