[Solved] CK: Problem with creating Scenes/DialogueViews. Can't right click

[CorruptGenie]

I've been having some problems with CK. When I go to the Dialogue Views or the Scenes tabs of a Quest, I don't see anything (no branches, no scene phases or actors). There's no flowchart at all for either of these tabs. When I try to right click, the menu doesn't pop up. I remember there was a menu that came up when you right clicked that would let you add Phases/Actors to a scene. Pictures attached below. Does anyone know how to solve this?

 

 

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EDIT:

Whenever I try to google the problem, I only get results for how to fix missing flowchartx64.dll... but I'm pretty sure that's not what my issue is.

 

I also tried uninstalling and re-installing CK; problem is still there. Has anyone ever had this problem before?

 

UPDATE: Completely removing and reinstalling my entire Skyrim game directory did not work.

 

So...is this an OS problem? This is very weird....

 

EDIT2:

Forgot to mention this is SSE CK.

 

 

SOLUTION FOUND:

I turned off my antivirus and it worked.

[CorruptGenie]

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[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

just to be sure.    looks like you have shit highlighted(left click)  but you have left click  TestQuest101_DV1 then right click in big box. Should get pop-up

[CorruptGenie]

@Heroine HoneyCrotch

So yeah, I'm double (left) clicking on the name in the left panel. But the DV doesn't show up. And if I try to right click in the big box nothing happens.

 

Here is an example with a quest from Skyrim.esm, C00 is the companions quest I think.

 

Before clicking anything it looks like this:

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Note that I have those greyed out scroll bars on the sides of the big box. Anyways, they disappear if I double click on a DV.

 

Here is after I double (left) click on a DV:

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Nothing happens except that those side bars go away. I can't see any of the dialogue branches (which I assume this quest would probably have?). Right clicking in the big box does nothing.

 

Also, I forgot to mention this is SSE CK. That might be important info?

[CorruptGenie]

In general, what does it mean if a problem persists after completely reinstalling the Skyrim directory? Is it an OS thing? And where might I go look to find the problem?

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

Im on LE, dont know that it would make a difference.  My slide bars dont disappear. And I'm able to create branch(right click in box) in dv.

 

 

Curious, what mod manager you use? When it last worked? 

 

 

 

On 10/4/2021 at 7:08 PM, CorruptGenie said:

I only get results for how to fix missing flowchartx64.dll

 

Can a dll get flagged by an antivirus program?  Where do you ck installed, I have mine in main skyrim folder and I see my flowchart.dll.  You dont think that is problem, you have yours where ck.exe is?

[CorruptGenie]

17 minutes ago, Heroine HoneyCrotch said:

Im on LE, dont know that it would make a difference.  My slide bars dont disappear. And I'm able to create branch(right click in box) in dv.

 

 

Curious, what mod manager you use? When it last worked? 

 

 

 

 

Can a dll get flagged by an antivirus program?  Where do you ck installed, I have mine in main skyrim folder and I see my flowchart.dll.  You dont think that is problem, you have yours where ck.exe is?

 

I've always used Vortex. But I usually launch CK directly from its exe.

 

I have my CreationKit.exe in my 'Skyrim Special Edition' folder. Yeah, I have flowchartx64.dll in that same folder.

 

For the typical flowchartx64.dll problem, others describe it as an error message that says "flowchartx64.dll is missing" or something. And that doesn't happen for me.

 

The flowchartx64.dll came automatically when I installed CK from the bethesda launcher

[CorruptGenie]

Vortex did update a few days ago... Can your mod organizer really affect CK like that??

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

 If you dont use steam workshop mods you could try to "clear dl cashe" in steam,   I have had ck fail to launch, months and months ago, and I tried launching from ck.exe and couldnt get the fucker to open, clearing dl cashe cleared issue.   

 

If Vortex stays clear of your data like MO i would think launching from ck.exe would be side stepping vortex,ruling it out as a problem.  I wish you luck. Its a weird one 4sure. 

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

Was hoping you would of gotten some quality help on this. 

 

Curious, if you go to player dialogue and set up a quick topic and branch and add a response, on response page in bottom right corner can you right click in scripts box and get pop up?  That and in actors tab, any actor on traits(race,height,weight) there is an add scripts box there too, this works on your end? Guess im trying to see if problem is only affecting DV and scenes. 

[CorruptGenie]

22 minutes ago, Heroine HoneyCrotch said:

Was hoping you would of gotten some quality help on this. 

 

Curious, if you go to player dialogue and set up a quick topic and branch and add a response, on response page in bottom right corner can you right click in scripts box and get pop up?  That and in actors tab, any actor on traits(race,height,weight) there is an add scripts box there too, this works on your end? Guess im trying to see if problem is only affecting DV and scenes. 

 

Yeah, the Player Dialogue tab works fine and I can attach scripts to Topic Infos there (see pic)

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Same for actors (pic below)

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[CorruptGenie]

Yeah, this is definitely weird ...

 

Temporarily, I've been using the Player Dialogue tab as a workaround for the Dialogue Views tab not working. Its functional but a bit more cumbersome.

Is there any workaround to making scenes? As in, can I somehow make scenes without using the scenes tab?

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

With scenes I'm gonna say no.

 

Loosest of theories. Your flowchart.dll, which is not missing, but is part of the problem

 

What I have done, the other day for fun, was I removed my dll from data and went into ck and got error you had mentioned  not getting.

 

When I get home later I'm gonna remove same dll and go into ck and I bet a 100 septims that with dll removed the scene section in quest will also not work.

 

 

Did you try to clear dl cache in steam? Got to be careful if you use steamdumbshop mods

[CorruptGenie]

8 minutes ago, Heroine HoneyCrotch said:

With scenes I'm gonna say no.

 

Loosest of theories. Your flowchart.dll, which is not missing, but is part of the problem

 

What I have done, the other day for fun, was I removed my dll from data and went into ck and got error you had mentioned  not getting.

 

When I get home later I'm gonna remove same dll and go into ck and I bet a 100 septims that with dll removed the scene section in quest will also not work.

 

 

Did you try to clear dl cache in steam? Got to be careful if you use steamdumbshop mods

Yeah, I did try clearing the steam download cache, but it didn't work. I don't use the steam mod workshop anyway.

 

I think your theory has promise. If your experiment supports that idea, would you be willing to send me your flowchart dll? Maybe a transplant can fix it. (Though I got that dll from the Bethesda launcher just the other day when I reinstalled, maybe Bethesda broke it in a recent update?)

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

I would reach out to an se user for the dll file. Personally I think your dll is fine, for some reason something on your end is not allowing  it to be used, off course  this is still loose theory 

 

I should be home in hopefully a few hours,will test scene w/o dll on my  end and report

[Guest]

I tried removing flowchart64 and I got error message and couldn't interact with scenes at ALL:

'Could not find flowchartx64.dll, scene and dialogue view editing will not be available'

Also that in order to register flowchartx64.dll, creation kit needs to be run as administrator atleast once

After putting the .dll back into my skyrim directory all worked fine as before. Maybe try running CK as admin?

I also use SE CK, so I can give you the dll if you want.. but I doubt it differs from the one you have since I figure it's a DLL included with CK install

[CorruptGenie]

22 minutes ago, Joshua412 said:

I tried removing flowchart64 and I got error message and couldn't interact with scenes at ALL:

'Could not find flowchartx64.dll, scene and dialogue view editing will not be available'

Also that in order to register flowchartx64.dll, creation kit needs to be run as administrator atleast once

After putting the .dll back into my skyrim directory all worked fine as before. Maybe try running CK as admin?

I also use SE CK, so I can give you the dll if you want.. but I doubt it differs from the one you have since I figure it's a DLL included with CK install

This lends credit to HH's theory.

 

Yeah, I also tried running in admin mode; didn't work.

Yeah, I'm skeptical about a dll transplant too. Not sure what else to try though. It's a long shot, but I'll do it if you send it and will report if it succeeds or not.

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

based on Joshua412 post, that dll does affect DV and Scenes. 

 

We know lack of dll is not problem cause ck would give certain error when dll is not there. And I doubt using another dll is solution, surely it would be same one. I read of anti virus fucking shit up to the toon of removing suspicious files(dll's) but when I read peps were saying anti virus was straight removing the damn dll from directories. This doesnt seem to be that either casue your not losing yours.

 

Personally at this stage I would like hear from an SE'er that can use DV and Scenes. With the lack of knowledge and the little bit of info to work with I lean towards anti virus program doing who knows what to prevent dll from being utilized.   

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

This is old info, mostly about users crashing or getting weird pop up but there might be some things to look at. 

 

https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/5053345-se-creation-kit-constant-crashes-in-dialog-views-window/page-1

[CorruptGenie]

1 hour ago, Heroine HoneyCrotch said:

based on Joshua412 post, that dll does affect DV and Scenes. 

 

We know lack of dll is not problem cause ck would give certain error when dll is not there. And I doubt using another dll is solution, surely it would be same one. I read of anti virus fucking shit up to the toon of removing suspicious files(dll's) but when I read peps were saying anti virus was straight removing the damn dll from directories. This doesnt seem to be that either casue your not losing yours.

 

Personally at this stage I would like hear from an SE'er that can use DV and Scenes. With the lack of knowledge and the little bit of info to work with I lean towards anti virus program doing who knows what to prevent dll from being utilized.   

Let me try disabling my antivirus. Will report if successful.

[CorruptGenie]

@Heroine HoneyCrotch

 

THANK YOU SO MUCH. Turning off my antivirus worked!

 

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I can right click now!

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As a mod maker, I am whole again.

 

 

 

 

Fucking antivirus didn't event report to me that it thought this was a threat...

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

6 hours ago, CorruptGenie said:

Turning off my antivirus worked!

 

Great news. My next suggestion was gonna be to boil water and throw it at the wall, and that was never going to work. With anti virus you should be able to flag it is OK so that your anti virus can keep over performing,minus that dll. 

[WacoCatbox]

I'm having this exact same problem but disabling the antivirus is not working for me.  I've tried everything (registering the dll, etc) except completely uninstalling the antivirus.  Anyone else still having issues.  I'm finishing up a large DLC sized quest mod and I have scenes from before it broke (some windows update i think) but can't make any new ones.