ReverendFelix Posted September 16, 2021 Posted September 16, 2021 What can cause a quest to not fire off? I have a rash of seemingly random quests failing to launch, or failing to provide quest markers, piling up. Among them are, Shalidor's Insights (no QM), Companion quest line not continuing after Animal Extermination, the Drunken Dragon mod isn't letting me hire a shop keeper, just to name the most prevalent ones. Any help appreciated. My mod list; Spoiler Active Mod Files: 00 Skyrim.esm 01 Update.esm 02 Dawnguard.esm 03 Hearthfires.esm 04 Dragonborn.esm 05 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp [Version 4.2.5b] 06 Heels Sound.esm 07 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 08 SexLab.esm [Version 1.63] 09 ImCh.esm 0A Campfire.esm 0B Fertility Mode.esm 0C SexLabAroused.esm [Version 2.9] 0D ZaZAnimationPack.esm 0E Ecotone Dual Sheath.esl 0F SkyUI_SE.esp 10 Obsidian Weathers.esp 11 Immersive Wenches.esp 12 ICNs_ImmersiveCollegeNPCs.esp [Version 1.1.0] 13 3BBB.esp 14 50 More Perk Points.esp 15 CBBE.esp 16 tpos_complete02_RTCWG.esp 17 castle volkihar redux sse 1.esp 18 Cutting Room Floor.esp [Version 3.1.9] 19 DudestiaOutfitChanger.esp 1A Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp [Version 2.17] 1B FNIS.esp 1C fox-DisableAutoAim.esp 1D HIMBO.esp 1E IcePenguinWorldMap.esp 1F noCamColl_2_SE.esp 20 RaceMenu.esp 21 RaceMenuHH.esp 22 RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp 23 RaceMenuMorphsHIMBO.esp 24 Racial Body Morphs - Extreme Morphs.esp 25 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 26 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp 27 SOSRaceMenu.esp 28 XPMSE.esp 29 OCW_Obscure's_CollegeofWinterhold.esp [Version 1.6] 2A BardsRebornStudentofSong.esp 2B HearthfireMultiKid.esp 2C The Blackest Reaches.esp 2D Proper Crossbow Integration.esp 2E Helgen Reborn.esp [Version 106] 2F Tel_Nalta.esp 30 OpulentThievesGuild.esp 31 SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp 32 AmorAdvExtended.esp 33 OCW_ICNs_OE_FEPatch.esp 34 cooking in inns.esp 35 RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp 36 MrissiTailOfTroubles.esp 37 storefront.esp [Version 2.0.4] 38 Oakwood.esp [Version 1.0.7] 39 SeranaDialogAddon.esp 3A map - project hippie.esp 3B ZIA_Complete Pack.esp 3C EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp 3D OpulentThievesGuildPatch.esp 3E More idle markers.esp 3F DwemerColosseum.esp 40 Inigo.esp 41 Clockwork.esp 42 sinderionlabhome.esp 43 LostValley.esp 44 TKAA.esp 45 OCW_tPoS2F_FEPatch.esp 46 TKAA Wild Child.esp 47 SofiaFollower.esp 48 OCW_CRF_FEPatch.esp 49 DiverseWerewolvesCollection.esp 4A MiraakFollower.esp [Version 1.7] 4B Rev's Clockwork - Lost Valley Patch.esp 4C TentaCave.esp 4D OCW_MToT_FEPatch.esp 4E Deus Mons.esp 4F masterofdestruction.esp 50 LegendaryRings_Eng.esp 51 [SunJeong] Ninirim Collection.esp 52 Cannabis Skyrim SE.esp 53 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp [Version 2.0.1] 54 The Amazing World of Bikini Armors REMASTERED.esp 55 ICNs_Lite.esp 56 SOS - Shop.esp 57 Kinky Inn.esp 58 KhajiitChildren.esp 59 (Pumpkin)-TEWOBA-TheExpandedWorldofBikiniArmor.esp 5A BlackLeatherSheaths.esp 5B FemaleOutfitReplacer.esp 5C FemaleFeetReplacer.esp 5D Seraphim - PrettyCourier.esp 5E zzEstrus.esp 5F Bijin AIO.esp 60 The Ordinary Women.esp 61 Ars Metallica.esp [Version 2.0.6] 62 SexLab Eager NPCs.esp 63 Haem Projects Basalt.esp [Version 1.0] 64 Anuketh Godessess Pack.esp 65 Unicorn.esp 66 VampireLordPerksExpanded.esp 67 StonehallOrphanage.esp 68 DrunkenDragon.esp 69 Levitate - Skyrim Edition.esp 6A Tainted_Blood.esp 6B RosaFollower.esp 6C HatchlingChasesStarlight.esp 6D My Armory.esp 6E Moon and Star Ring.esp 6F DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp 70 Dwemer Certified.esp [Version 1.3] 71 Serana.esp 72 LupineWerewolfPerkExpansion.esp 73 P1FlyingRing.esp 74 Animated Wings Ultimate.esp 75 BRStudentofSong USSEP Patch.esp 76 FemaleWerewolfExtended.esp 77 Valerica.esp 78 Derrax_Male_Werewolf_AnimalPenis_SpecialEdition.esp 79 EMHearthfireMoveKidsfix.esp 7A EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp 7B Realistic Nighteye - Vanilla.esp 7C Night Vision Deactivation Sound Fix.esp 7D Night Vision Flicker Fix.esp 7E Proper Crossbow Integration - Ars Metallica.esp 7F SDA-AA Patch.esp 80 Vision of the Tenth Eye Flicker Fix.esp 81 WerewolfCanLootAndRevertForm.esp 82 BikiniReplacerTEWOBA-Headgear.esp 83 CannabisSkyrim_PlantableKushInHearthfirePlots.esp 84 DanceForMe.esp 85 HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp 86 LadyMiraak.esp 87 nwsKinkyDanceForMe.esp 88 OCW_HoD_FPSfix_Patch.esp 89 OCW_LightingPatch_Brighter.esp 8A SDA Campfire Patch.esp 8B NewVampChainsArmor.esp 8C NewVampChainsCuirass.esp 8D mcgFemaleWalk for SkyrimSE.esp 8E _player_protection.esp 8F adenz_FairyFollowers.esp 90 aeslighterfirewood.esp 91 barenziahquestmarkers.esp 92 divinepunishmentforarrowstotheknee.esp 93 daedricpunishmentforsweetrolls.esp 94 erboscookingexp.esp 95 festuskrexspell.esp 96 PositiveUndressedReactions.esp 97 Realistic-Voice.esp 98 thieves can be choosers.esp 99 adoptAventusAretino.esp [Version 1.2] 9A adopthelgighost.esp [Version 1.1] 9B adoptAventusAretino_TKAA.esp 9C adoptHelgiGhost_TKAA.esp 9D AK_RM_PubicStyles_All_In_One.esp 9E Character Creation Overhaul.esp 9F CCO - Diverse Races And Genders.esp A0 CCO - Dynamic Skill Progression.esp A1 CCO - Oblivion Carry Weights.esp A2 MisterBs Lootable Things.esp A3 rings2hands.esp A4 Change in Management.esp A5 chfshVariousActions.esp A6 Cumulative Blessings.esp A7 Cutting Room Floor TKAA Patch.esp A8 Dragon Horns and Tails.esp A9 Elysia.esp AA Heart Breaker SE.esp [Version 1.3] AB campersworkbench.esp AC JJUS.esp AD MfgFix.esp AE PC Head Tracking - MCM.esp AF PC Head Tracking - Patch.esp B0 VioLens SE.esp [Version 2.22] B1 ImCh - TKAA.esp B2 ImCh Less Papyrus Spam Patch.esp B3 My_Little_kitty_non_replaced.esp B4 ABMM.esp B5 Blazerend and Chillrend Redone.esp B6 ClockworkPlantableAddon.esp B7 Dance for Septims.esp B8 Fertility Mode 3 Fixes and Updates.esp B9 Giants.esp BA Helgen Reborn TKAA Patch.esp BB Jebbalon's Package for Maiq.esp BC JS Barenziah SE - Johnskyrim.esp BD KarstaagReborn.esp BE Oakwood TKAA Patch.esp BF SDA_SLPatch.esp C0 SexLab Inflation Framework.esp [Version 1.1.9b] C1 SexlabFN.esp C2 SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp C3 SLAnimLoader.esp C4 Teleportation.esp C5 ZaZAnimationPack_Voice.esp C6 Ecotone Dual Sheath Patch.esp C7 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp C8 raeza.esp C9 ZZNoFallingLeavesSE.esp CA RevsLoadingScreens.esp CB Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp CC OrdinatorCustomDance.esp CD Dwemer Certifed - Ordinator Patch.esp CE Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp CF Convenient Horses.esp D0 Immersive Wenches -Immersive Citizens AI Overhaul Patch-.esp D1 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp [Version 4.1.4] D2 Mr. B's Lootable Things.esp D3 nwsFollowerFramework.esp D4 nwsFF_NoTeamMagicDamage.esp D5 OCW_CellSettings.esp [Version 1.5.07] D6 MXPF - One ImCh Patcher.esp D7 SSE Merged Patch.esp D8 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Shadowbroker3495 Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 One of the more difficult problems to solve. You are using Live Another Life mod, so you have to go near Helgen to activate main quest (just stating the obvious, you probably already know) Usually quest problems are related to mod load order (unless one or more custom quests mods are inherently buggy). LOOT is good but not perfect. You should handle mod load order manually. Unfortunately giving suggestions about mod load order is like walking into a minefield. So many different opinions about the subject and modders are very passionate about it like a religion. Consider changing load order for your quest mods (i.e. the reborn mods and other custom location mods).
ReverendFelix Posted September 17, 2021 Author Posted September 17, 2021 Yeah I do use LOOT, and am aware of it's... short comings. I will take a look with SSEedit to see if I can find some conflicts. thanks for the advice ?
coolfreaky Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 coming from oblivion where load order is more than a religion , but with skyrim and the lot of mods it is impossible . as Shadowbroker3495 said it is more likely to be a load order while it is not so importante it is importante . loot is useful to sorte some of the mods but not enough as ReverendFelix you said Xedit helps to adjust position in load order . a need to fit load order in to categories may be helpful but the most importante tool is your nose !!! (your install : MO , Vortex . your mods : heavy or light scripted and the number of them , not forgetting bash and now esl ) first is to run loot then if the game shows problems verify with Xedit and at last if you feel a mod is not ok ! you try to reposition in a better load order before or after an other mod .
ReverendFelix Posted September 17, 2021 Author Posted September 17, 2021 @coolfreaky Yeah I hear ya! I've been modding (learning to mod lol) since TES3. If I've learned anything, it's that knowing what you're chosen mods do and making you're LO accordingly, is the only real way to mass mod your game. I'll have to stop relying on LOOT so much and start using LLOM (logical load order method) as well. Nothing new, but LOOT was doing good up until now for me. Thanks for you input ?
coolfreaky Posted September 18, 2021 Posted September 18, 2021 just pop up in my mind ! you could use papyrus utilities : the log file precisely to see what is lagging and stack How to enable Papyrus Logging at Skyrim Nexus - Mods and Community (nexusmods.com) ( just in cas) . You might find a lot of missing ( scripts , parameters ) for some of them it is normal as it fires up before the mod does . but it can give you some clues about the mods that has difficulties . hope that this will help
ReverendFelix Posted September 18, 2021 Author Posted September 18, 2021 Yeah, that's a good thought. I disabled most forms of logging. It saves on fps, but has obvious drawbacks.
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