vaporeondream Posted June 24, 2021 Posted June 24, 2021 Hey everyone. I haven't been able to figure out why my character is stuck in t-pose, while all other actors walk completely fine. Reinstalled XP32, 3BBB, FNIS (plus always running FNIS before booting). Went through Nemesis, DAR and now in FNIS PCEA2 trying to fix this issue. Physics and SL animations are working alright (besides the t-posing). I started a new playthrough recently and installed new versions of some sex mods I had played with before, but that's also when the t-pose issue began. Modlist in spoiler, thanks for any ideas you guys might have. Spoiler Skyrim.esm Update.esm Dawnguard.esm HearthFires.esm Dragonborn.esm Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp Expressive Facegen Morphs.esl LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm AKSkyrimUnderground.esm Campfire.esm Vigilant.esm AHZmoreHUDInventory.esl ZaZAnimationPack.esm Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm SexLab.esm SexLabAroused.esm DynDOLOD.esm HD Lods SSE.esp SkyUI_SE.esp Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp Obsidian Weathers.esp SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp ICNs_ImmersiveCollegeNPCs.esp Nemesis PCEA.esp icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp Immersive Weapons.esp Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp Castle Volkihar Rebuilt.esp OCW_Obscure's_CollegeofWinterhold.esp AI Overhaul.esp AI Overhaul - Relationship Dialogue Overhaul Patch.esp Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp C.O.I.N.esp Sanctuary Reborn.esp BlackthornManor.esp RLO - Exteriors.esp OCW_ICNs_OE_FEPatch.esp OpulentThievesGuild.esp Odin - Skyrim Magic Overhaul.esp Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp Vigilant Voiced.esp aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp MoonAndStar_MAS.esp SexLab_Solutions.esp Darker Interior Ambient Fog.esp Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp TheChoiceIsYours.esp OCW_LotD_FEPatch.esp Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp Tentapalooza.esp WayshrinesIFT.esp OpulentThievesGuildPatch.esp SkyrimSewers.esp The Brotherhood of Old.esp CFTO.esp SunHelmSurvival.esp Immersive Patrols II.esp DBM_Vigilant_Patch.esp Skyrim Revamped - Complete Enemy Overhaul.esp Immersive Weapons_CCOR_Patch.esp DBM_IW_Patch.esp WayshrinesIFT - TBoO patch.esp gonkishvampdens.esp CaranthirTowerReborn.esp DawnguardArsenal.esp DBM_Wintersun_Patch.esp Triumvirate - Mage Archetypes.esp SkyrimShroudedSecret.esp DBM_MAS_Patch.esp Provincial Courier Service.esp ForgottenCity.esp DBM_SkyrimUnderground_Patch.esp The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp DBM_TheBrotherhoodOfOldPatch.esp DBM_ForgottenCity_Patch.esp DBM_IA_Patch.esp The Manipulator.esp DBM_SkyrimSewers_Patch.esp AOS_ISC_Integration.esp BA_BardSongs_Drums.esp BA_BardSongs_Flute.esp BA_BardSongs_Lute.esp Bijin NPCs.esp Bijin Warmaidens.esp Bijin Wives.esp Skyrim Revamped.esp DBM_CACO_Patch.esp DBM_CCOR_Patch.esp DBM_SRLEZ_Patch.esp C.O.I.N. - LOTD Patch.esp C.O.I.N. - LOTD - CACO Patch.esp C.O.I.N. - USSEP - LOTD Patch.esp C.O.I.N. - WACCF Patch.esp C.O.I.N. - Wintersun Patch.esp CBBE.esp Chapter II - Soundtrack mod by Dreyma Music.esp Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp SR - TBOO patch.esp SR - Wintersun patch.esp SR - USSEP patch.esp SR - CACO patch.esp SR - ICAIO patch.esp SR - LOTD patch.esp DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp Extended Encounters.esp FK's Diverse Racial Skeletons.esp FMS_FemaleMakeupSuite.esp ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp First Person Camera Height Fix.esp GIST soul trap.esp Brows.esp Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp iHUD.esp Invisibility Eyes Fix.esp KS Hairdo's.esp know_your_enemy.esp KaliliesNPCs.esp BCS_TCIY_Patch.esp TCIY_BCS Patch.esp DBM_ISC_Patch.esp DBM_WACCF_Patch.esp DBM_AOS_Patch.esp DBM_DGA_Patch.esp DBM_SMIM_Patch.esp DBM_SRCEO_Patch.esp No NPC Greetings.esp OCW_AO_FEPatch.esp OCW_MusicPatch_VanillaPlus.esp OCW_WACCF_FEPatch.esp OCW_SR_FEPatch.esp Obsidian Weathers for Vigilant.esp PAN_NPCs.esp AI Overhaul - PAN_NPCs Patch.esp PAN_NPCs_Males2.esp PAN_NPCs_Males2 - AI Overhaul SSE patch.esp PAN_NPCs_DG.esp AI Overhaul - PAN_NPCs_DG Patch.esp PAN_NPCs_Males.esp AI Overhaul - PAN_NPCs_Males Patch.esp Pan NPCs DG - Dawnguard Arsenal.esp PAN_NPCs_DB.esp Half Res Packed.esp Half Res Packed0.esp Half Res Packed00.esp Half Res Packed000.esp Half Res Packed0000.esp Half Res Packed00000.esp Half Res Packed000000.esp Half Res Packed0000000.esp Half Res Packed00000000.esp RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Unsorted - ESL - GIST.esp RaceMenu.esp RaceMenuPlugin.esp RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp RLO - Effects.esp ShadowSpellPackage.esp Serana.esp SkyHUD.esp SkyrimReputation_SSE.esp VampDens_Sewers_Integration.esp TBoO & SS Patch.esp Skyrim Save System Overhaul.esp SkyrimsGotTalent-Bards.esp Starlight_Starbright.esp Skyrim Revamped - Summermyst Patch.esp SunHelm_3DNPC.esp SunHelm_ForgottenCity.esp SunHelm_Wintersun.esp CFTO-SunHelmPatch.esp SunHelmCampfireSkill.esp SunHelmOCWPatch.esp True Scholar.esp The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp TheEyesOfBeauty.esp UIExtensions.esp Vigilant - Book Covers.esp VigilantNoHoods.esp Vigilant CBBE Patch.esp VisualAnimatedEnchants.esp Warrens Fix.esp Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Obsidian Weathers Patch.esp WetandCold.esp SkyrimReputation_SSE_Wintersun.esp CACO_SunHelm.esp CACO_USSEP_Patch.esp CACO_Wintersun.esp Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation_CCOR_Patch.esp CCOR_Campfire_Patch.esp DawnguardArsenal_CCOR_Patch.esp Inigo_CACO_Patch.esp SunHelm_Inigo.esp TCIY_Wintersun_Patch.esp AHZmoreHUD.esp SOSRaceMenu.esp XPMSE.esp FNIS.esp marrymeserana.esp Castle Volkihar Rebuilt - SDE Patch.esp Castle Volkihar Rebuilt - RDO Patch.esp [Dint999] KSH's HDT.esp 3BBB.esp HeightSizeFix.esp AddItemMenuSE.esp C5Kev's Sexy Assassin Outfit 3BA.esp C5Kev's Sexy Rose Armor 3BA.esp mcgFemaleWalk for SkyrimSE.esp TreestumpConversions.esp Wintersun - SexLab Integration.esp WintersunSLI - DD expansion.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp Schlongs of Skyrim.esp SLAnimLoader.esp RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp RDO - USSEP Patch.esp RaceMenuHH.esp NoOverpenetration.esp SOS - ERF - Horse Penis Redux Addon (No Balls).esp SOS - ERF - Horse Penis Redux Addon.esp WizkidFirewood.esp Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp FKDRS - Imperious.esp MLU.esp MLU - Summermyst.esp Helgen Reborn.esp DBM_MorrowlootUltimate_Patch.esp C.O.I.N. - LOTD - MLU Patch.esp DBM_HelgenReborn_Patch.esp MLU - AI Overhaul.esp MLU - Immersive Armors.esp MLU - Skyrim Revamped Complete Enemy Overhaul.esp MLU - ZIA.esp MLU - ImprovedDaedricArtifacts.esp OCW_MLU_FEPatch.esp PAN_NPCs_DG_MLU_Patch.esp Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp Invisibility Eyes Fix - Apocalypse.esp Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp Odin - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp Invisibility Eye Fix - Ordinator.esp CACO_Ordinator_Patch.esp CCOR_Ordinator.esp OrdinatorCustomDance.esp Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp nwsFollowerFramework.esp nwsFF_NTMD_Apocalypse.esp nwsFF_NoTeamMagicDamage.esp RLO - Interiors.esp RLO - Illuminated Spells.esp Open Cities Skyrim.esp OCS + LOTD5 Patch.esp OCS + Skyrim Sewers.esp AI Overhaul - Open Cities.esp OCW_CellSettings.esp RealisticWaterTwo.esp RWTVolWaterFix.esp DynDOLOD.esp
TheMadCatter Posted June 26, 2021 Posted June 26, 2021 Just to save you some time in the future you don't have to run FNIS every time you boot the game, only every time you install or uninstall animation mods. As for the nature of your t-pose it is almost certainly a conflict between FNIS and Nemesis, since they are both animation stuff. Try running FNIS first, then running Nemesis and letting it overwrite everything. If that doesn't work, then try the stuff in this comment I found on reddit: Spoiler I think I figured out how to stop that, and I'll probably make a post later about it. This is intended for use w/ MO2, since that's what I'm using. Use FNIS, and generate the files as normal. Output the files into a separate mod, such as "FNIS Overwrite" Then, run Nemesis and output files as normal (preferably in a second mod w/ MO2, such as "Nemesis Overwrite"). Disable the main FNIS mod/files (just uncheck them). This may be unnecessary, but I haven't gotten any crashes yet, and it seems to work (no T-posing). Take any meshes generated by FNIS for creatures and copy them into their own blank mod (such as "FNIS Creatures Overwrite", and enable it. Even though Nemesis doesn't generate creature animations, it appears it can still use the ones from FNIS. Finally, this is the step that causes/stops the crashing for me. In the "FNIS Overwrite" meshes folder, there should be two .txt files; "animationdatasinglefile.txt" and "animationsetdatasinglefile.txt" . Copy both of these files from the "FNIS Overwrite". In the "Nemesis Overwrite" mod, replace the native animation text files in the meshes folder with the ones copied from FNIS. ALSO, replace the ones stored in meshes\actors\character within the "Nemesis Overwrite". Finally, disable the "FNIS Overwrite" mod. This should be the last step for not have the game CTD on startup. . In summary, the "animationdatasinglefile.txt" and "animationsetdatasinglefile.txt" files generated from Nemesis are what are causing the crashes for me (found in \meshes and \meshes\actors\characters). Replace them with the FNIS versions, then disable any other FNIS stuff (except creatures). Let me know if this is any help to you, or anyone else who has the crashing problem. That's all I got since I haven't tried Nemesis yet. Best of luck!
4nk8r Posted June 26, 2021 Posted June 26, 2021 I see this happen to me in combination with using Dynamic Animation Replacer (DAR) animations at game startup or new game. After waiting on the game to settle down after loading a save or starting a new game, jumping usually seems to correct the problem. I can force myself into a floating T pose by running forward or backward and jumping, then changing direction mid-jump (opposite of initial, so move backwards if jumping forward, etc.). Jumping again clears it.
vaporeondream Posted June 30, 2021 Author Posted June 30, 2021 Blahhh I just realized that my issue was that I installed the Nemesis engine manually, don't drink and mod everybody. Thanks for the help though, I hope this info helps anyone else having Nemesis issues. I basically just gutted my data folder and put Skyrim back to vanilla so I can start over, although if anyone was curious -- you could probably find or write a Python script that would find and delete stuff like this that you're not advised to install manually, if you still have the archived file. On 6/26/2021 at 10:58 AM, TheMadCatter said: Just to save you some time in the future you don't have to run FNIS every time you boot the game, only every time you install or uninstall animation mods. Also thank you for reminding me! I think I knew at some point but my fear of CTD had me FNISsing every time I started playing ;w;
1Xazam1 Posted January 2, 2022 Posted January 2, 2022 On 6/27/2021 at 3:34 AM, 4nk8r said: I see this happen to me in combination with using Dynamic Animation Replacer (DAR) animations at game startup or new game. After waiting on the game to settle down after loading a save or starting a new game, jumping usually seems to correct the problem. I can force myself into a floating T pose by running forward or backward and jumping, then changing direction mid-jump (opposite of initial, so move backwards if jumping forward, etc.). Jumping again clears it. SO how did you fix it ? cause the same things been happening with me
4nk8r Posted January 2, 2022 Posted January 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, 1Xazam1 said: SO how did you fix it ? cause the same things been happening with me If you're talking about the temporary T-posing that you can clear by jumping, the only way I found to avoid it was not to jump around like that while using DAR, or stop using DAR. If you're starting out stuck in T-pose and can't get out, but other models are moving fine? I don't know. I never experienced that. Are you using PCEA or something similar that gives the player their own animations? If so, that might be at least part of the problem. As a troubleshooting step you can try disabling DAR and see what happens? It is just a DLL, so it should be safe to disable it without messing up your load order and corrupting subsequent saves.
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