Molevalence Posted August 30, 2020 Posted August 30, 2020 I have posted a few topics in the technical forums already about issues with specific mods and file adjustments for other things. I have been playing the game for about a week now and am enjoying it so far. I have noticed a few irritants though. (Nothing I have not experiences before in other games but I wanted to address.) I noticed some stability issues with the game. My major issue is whenever my character levels up and I go to the perk menu to place my skill point the game will crash almost always out in the open world and about half the time while inside a instance such as a building or structure that requires a load time. I run 116 mods. I followed the AAF beginner installation guide by Says_Scarlett and use MO2 with LOOT. I use LOOT to configure my mod load order for my mods then made manual adjustments to follow his/her guide for the AAF animations and mods required for these mods. Other than the mods used from the guide I use a few armor, weapons, settlement advancements, companion tweaks and some graphic enhancers. I just wanted to ask if there is any ways that can increase game stability? Id really enjoy being able to use perk points without playing CTD roulette. Any assistance would be appreciated. I will post my LOOT load order below if that helps. (This is the load order after I made manual adjustments for Says_Scarlett's guide) 0 0 Fallout4.esm 1 1 DLCRobot.esm 2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm 3 3 DLCCoast.esm 4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm 5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm 6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm 7 7 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp 8 8 AAF.esm 9 9 TortureDevices.esm 10 a ArmorKeywords.esm 11 b Devious Devices.esm 254 FE 0 Bememoth Separated Cart.esl 12 c TrueStormsFO4.esm 13 d HUDFramework.esm 14 e RSE_II_Resources.esm 254 FE 1 AAFThemes.esl 254 FE 2 WashOutThatCum.esl 15 f ErectionFix_SilverPerv.esp 16 10 AAF_Four-Play_Animations_Crazy6987.esp 17 11 Farelle_Animations.esp 18 12 CBBE.esp 19 13 Raider Pet.esp 20 14 LooksMenu.esp 21 15 Vioxsis_Strap-Ons.esp 22 16 WorkshopRearranged.esp 23 17 Fixed_Rexford.esp 24 18 def_inv_scrap_en.esp 25 19 RealHandcuffs.esp 26 1a Beggar_Whore.esp 27 1b AdvancedNeeds2.esp 28 1c RSE_II_CSA.esp 29 1d Snappy_HouseK.esp 30 1e llamaCompanionHeather.esp 31 1f AAF_BadEnd_Animations.esp 32 20 AAF_GrayAnimations.esp 33 21 FO4_AnimationsByLeito.esp 34 22 Vadermania[AAF_anims].esp 35 23 Atomic Lust.esp 36 24 Mutated Lust.esp 37 25 SavageCabbage_Animations.esp 38 26 rxl_bp70_animations.esp 39 27 GrayUserBPAnimations.esp 40 28 Deathclaw_nude.esp 41 29 Manly Moans.esp 42 2a AAF_Violate.esp 254 FE 3 AAF_Violate_DLC_Patch.esp 254 FE 4 AAF_Violate_Feral_Animations.esp 43 2b FP_FamilyPlanningEnhanced.esp 44 2c FPESuperMutantAddon.esp 45 2d FPEDogAddon.esp 254 FE 5 Devious Devices Face Morphs.esp 46 2e CumOverlays.esp 254 FE 6 DD_LegAnimOverride.esp 47 2f FPAttributes.esp 48 30 FPAttributesHUD.esp 254 FE 7 RealHandcuffs_AWKCR_Compatibility.esp 254 FE 8 RealHandcuffs_DD_Compatibility.esp 49 31 Rogg DD Items Manager.esp 50 32 TatsAfterRape.esp 51 33 SlaveTattoos.esp 52 34 Animated_Fannies.esp 53 35 LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp 54 36 KSHairdos.esp 55 37 BDO Hair.esp 56 38 ParagonHairs.esp 57 39 Lots More Female Hairstyles.esp 58 3a The Eyes Of Beauty.esp 59 3b TheEyesOfBeauty.esp 60 3c XM2010_SniperRifle_by_tooun.esp 61 3d XM2010_VWAS.esp 62 3e TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp 63 3f TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp 64 40 TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsetsFH.esp 65 41 Dickys Pinup Outfit.esp 66 42 TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp 67 43 DarkerNights.esp 68 44 DarkerNightsDetection.esp 69 45 OCDecorator - No Experience.esp 70 46 OCDecorator.esp 71 47 OCDecoratorDLC.esp 72 48 OCDispenser.esp 73 49 CraftableAmmo.esp 74 4a CraftableAmmo_plus.esp 75 4b sarahRageArmor.esp 76 4c le666piercings.esp 77 4d Slave&ModelPinup.esp 78 4e Project Reality Footsteps FO4.esp 79 4f MyCart_Biohazard.esp 80 50 SurvivalOptions.esp 81 51 SettlementMenuManager.esp 82 52 WDP-PC.esp 83 53 SettleObjExpandPack.esp 84 54 SettleObjExpandPack-AllLightShadowEnabler.esp 85 55 DD_Khassar_De_Templari_Increased_build.esp 86 56 g2m_Workshop_Nexus.esp 254 FE 9 FO4HHS_AAF.esp 87 57 VtawInstituteScout.esp 88 58 EFF.esp 89 59 Rufgt's Animations.esp 90 5a BodyTalk3-LooksMenu.esp 91 5b MiscHairstyle.esp 92 5c Crimsomrider's 1950s Feminine Outfits.esp 93 5d AgemoNewFace(E)Piper_VanillaOufit.esp 94 5e AgemoNewFace(E)Curie.esp zzjay_Wasteland attire.esp VtawWardrobe6.esp 95 5f ValiusHDTextures4K.esp 96 60 HoloTime.esp 97 61 Armorsmith Extended.esp 98 62 llamaCompanionHeather-AE Patch.esp 99 63 Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp 100 64 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp 101 65 Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp 102 66 MODGirlyAnimation.esp 103 67 Scavver's Backpacks.esp 104 68 AAF_CreaturePack01.esp 105 69 AAF_CreaturePack02DLC.esp 106 6a CumNWealth.esp 107 6b CumNWealth_mutant.esp 108 6c indarello_animations.esp 109 6d Zaz Particles.esp 110 6e Boston Breeder.esp 111 6f AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp 112 70 DansesWearableHolotags_v01-2.esp 113 71 Eli_Halloween Speshul.esp 114 72 Fox 48.esp
spoonsinger Posted August 30, 2020 Posted August 30, 2020 Most reliable way I found was to use https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/28822/\ and make sure in the bottom of the level up screen the hide inapplicable perks option is selected because it will still crash if you scroll through the full perk list.
Oldwolf58 Posted August 30, 2020 Posted August 30, 2020 I run about 220 mods and I have NO problems with stability other than the normal ctd from the game engine which just happens randomly and usually only a couple of times in any given 24hr period. I've attached a copy of my load order and you can see if your setup is similar or if anything in the order can help you. Any mods with my name on them or that are at or near the end of the load order are my unreleased fixes and additions to the game excepting Oldwolf's Homestead which is a mod I released over on nexus. This list is the left hand window of MO2 and my mods are pretty much in the same order in the right hand window. Hope it helps. Spoiler #Mod_Priority,#Mod_Status,#Mod_Name "0000","+","DLC: Automatron" "0001","+","DLC: Wasteland Workshop" "0002","+","DLC: Far Harbor" "0003","+","DLC: Contraptions Workshop" "0004","+","DLC: Vault-Tec Workshop" "0005","+","DLC: Nuka-World" "0006","+","DLC: Ultra High Resolution Texture Pack" "0007","+","Creation Club: ccbgsfo4048-dovah" "0008","+","Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch" "0009","+","RSE II Resources ESM" "0010","+","Armor and Weapon Keywords Community Resource (AWKCR)" "0011","+","Settlement Keywords Expanded v1.60" "0012","+","Extended Dialogue Interface" "0013","+","Sim Settlements Three-in-One" "0014","+","Homemaker - Expanded Settlements" "0015","+","TortureDevices" "0016","+","Devious Devices V 2.0" "0017","+","DEF_UI" "0018","+","HUDFramework V1.0f" "0019","+","DEF UI Compatibility Patch" "0020","+","HHFootsteps1.1" "0021","+","Servitron" "0022","+","Videos of the Wasteland 2.6" "0023","+","A.S.I.A" "0024","+","Advanced Animation Framework" "0027","+","AAF VanillaKinkyCreatures Sex Animation Themes" "0028","+","Legendary Modification" "0029","+","CWSS Redux" "0030","+","Universal Working Bathroom Fixtures" "0031","+","Advanced Settlement Turret Set" "0032","+","G2M - Workshop" "0033","+","Kraggles Structures - Piers Prefabs and Terrain" "0034","+","Settlement Objects Expansion Pack" "0035","+","SMH - Main - 0.06" "0036","+","HZS Easy Homebuilder and Working Double Beds" "0037","+","Navmeshed Floors for StuykGaming's Simply Modular Housing" "0038","+","SSEX Main file" "0039","+","Rebuilt Home Plate" "0040","+","Hangman's Alley Interior Apartments" "0041","+","Home Plate - Mechanist Lair - Full Workbench" "0042","+","OLD WORLD RADIO - BOSTON v6.0" "0043","+","V's Stylish Decor" "0044","+","Settlement Menu Manager" "0045","+","Longer Power Lines" "0046","+","AllSetsExtended 2.0.2" "0047","+","Boston Devious Helper" "0048","+","Rogue Sexbot v1_6 Localized" "0049","+","Smokeable Cigars - Cigarettes - Joints - With HardCore Auto Save" "0050","+","BBM BLANK VOICES" "0051","+","Cheat Terminal" "0052","+","Decreased Subway Announcement Sound" "0053","+","Fallout 4 High Heels System" "0054","+","Immersive Corpses" "0055","+","Improved Map with Visible Roads" "0056","+","IMVM - Far Harbor (Default)" "0057","+","IMVR - Nuka World (Default)" "0058","+","LED BLACK Pip-Boy Deluxe" "0059","+","Makanar's Disable Or Lower Menu Music" "0060","+","Nude Burnt Magazines in Fallout" "0061","+","NismoMan's Adult Texture Replacer Project" "0062","+","GirlsGirlsGirls" "0063","+","Vault Girl Mod Alpha" "0064","+","Vault Girl Mod Alpha XDI Fix (Alternative)" "0065","+","VaultGirl PerkTree Beta1.01" "0066","+","Perverted Perks" "0067","+","KLPostersAdult v 3 2 Fixed" "0068","+","MyPaintings1" "0069","+","No Screen Blood Splatter" "0070","+","Perk Points Per Level" "0071","+","Retextured Keyboards - QWERTY" "0072","+","Tune the Radios" "0073","+","Quieter Winds (Pleasant Storms revisited)" "0074","+","Adult Gallery" "0075","+","Beastiality Standalone Paintings" "0076","+","Custom Camera" "0077","+","Easy City Downs Announcement" "0078","+","Preston Garvey No Radiant Settlement Quests" "0079","+","Trouble Brewin' Complete Quest" "0080","+","Very Rich Merchants 1.1" "0081","+","Vault Girl Bobbleheads - NSFW" "0082","+","Adamantium Skeleton Improved - No Falling Damage" "0083","+","Third-Person Movement Speed Fix" "0084","+","Stash Those Caps" "0085","+","mcgFemaleWalk" "0086","+","Lowered Weapons 1.1" "0087","+","Lowered Weapons - Quicker Relax Timer" "0088","+","3rd Person quick weapon lower" "0089","+","Lever Action Reload Overhaul V 1.4" "0090","+","Quieter Settlements" "0091","+","Clean Settler Faces - Remove Dirt And Grime" "0092","+","Lots More Male Hairstyles" "0093","+","Lots More Female Hairstyles" "0094","+","Beautiful Female Settlers" "0095","+","Companion and NPC's Face replacer All-in-one Pack" "0096","+","Settler and Companion Dialogue Overhaul" "0097","+","RaiderQueens" "0098","+","Real Comics" "0099","+","Real Comics Replacer" "0100","+","WWII Colt M1911A1 of Freedom" "0101","+","WWII Colt M1911 Pistol Replacer" "0102","+","The Islander's Almanac" "0103","+","More Caps From Cap Stashes" "0104","+","Barber and Surgeon Camera Fix" "0105","+","White Teeth" "0106","+","RaiderMissingAdultJunkPosters" "0107","+","Quest Tweaks - Nuka-World - Cappy in a Haystack" "0108","+","Videos of the Wasteland-Starlight Drive-in" "0109","+","Videos of the Wasteland-Starlight Drive-in Theatre Pack" "0110","+","VotW Breaking the Quiet" "0111","+","VotW Shadbase Animations" "0112","+","Holotapes - Betty Page" "0113","+","VotW Lara with Horse DriveIn" "0114","+","VotW_-_Lara_With_Horse_Xray" "0115","+","VOTW VNF09ReleaseFixed" "0116","+","VOTW ZetanVideosFixed" "0117","+","VOTW Housewives Visiting" "0118","+","VotW Wasteland porn" "0119","+","Place Everywhere" "0120","+","LooksMenu" "0121","+","Looks Menu Customization Compendium" "0122","+","The Eyes of Beauty Fallout Kaleidoscope Edition - All-in-One" "0123","+","Ponytail Hairstyles by Azar v2 5a - BA2 version" "0124","+","Eye Liner Masks" "0125","+","deLuxe Mask" "0126","+","Commonwealth Cuts 2.5" "0127","+","Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer -CBBE-" "0128","+","BodySlide and Outfit Studio" "0129","+","BodyTalk" "0130","+","RILF Assaultron" "0131","+","Servitron - BodySlide Files" "0132","+","Female Synths Updated and improved" "0133","+","Female Synths Fixes" "0134","+","CBP Physics for Fallout 4" "0136","+","ZaZ -Extended-Skeleton (ZeX)" "0137","+","Shadbase Paintings" "0138","+","The Collector's Guides AIO 1.17" "0139","+","Prisoner Shackles 4.0" "0140","+","Real Handcuffs" "0141","+","AAF Spectators" "0142","+","Plugs of the Commonwealth" "0143","+","Rogg DD Items Manager v1.0.3" "0144","+","Four-Play Animations by Crazy 1.3" "0145","+","FO4_AnimationsByLeito_v2.0a" "0146","+","FO4 Leito Voicefix 1.1" "0147","+","Atomic Lust" "0148","+","Custom Moans" "0149","+","Staged Leito Plus Erection Fix" "0150","+","VIO_Strap-On V3" "0151","+","Vioxsis' Strap-On's of Fallout 4 " "0152","+","Synth Clamp Ons" "0153","+","Strap-on,viodoe,dick for femaleservitron" "0154","+","Release NSFWsoundpack 03 01" "0155","+","Release CreaturePack" "0156","+","Release CreaturePackDLC v01" "0157","+","FARELLE_ANIM_MOD_DEV_0.1.2" "0158","+","Release 50Shades" "0159","+","Release BadEnd v01 05" "0160","+","Vadermania[AAF]" "0161","+","Mutated Lust v1.3" "0162","+","AAF Bondage Animations 2.00" "0163","+","bp70FO4sexanimations" "0164","+","AAF Creature Resources" "0165","+","SavageCabbages Animation Pack" "0166","+","Patch for animations (SquirtCum Effects, cumtattoo overlays, stages, fixes) 7.5" "0167","+","Erection Fix By SilverPerv v7.5.0" "0168","+","SuperMutantFreezeFix" "0169","+","WhippedAndBranded" "0170","+","Captive Tattoos" "0171","+","Tattoo After Rape" "0172","+","Cum Overlays V1-3-4" "0173","+","Wash Out That Cum" "0174","+","AAFTurnTheLightON_v1.0.0" "0175","+","SexAttributes" "0176","+","SexAttributesHUD2.0.0" "0177","+","RSEII_Brothels" "0178","+","AAF Violate V1.45" "0179","+","AAF_FamilyPlanningEnhanced" "0180","+","FPESuperMutantAddon" "0181","+","FPEDogAddon" "0182","+","Family Planning Enhanced More Creatures" "0183","+","Fast Start Minutemen" "0184","+","AngeliLatex fixed" "0185","+","Courser X-92 Power Suit CBBE and PipBoy (Pip-Boy)" "0186","+","Courser X-92 Power Suit - CBBE BodySlide" "0187","+","lePiercings" "0188","+","lePiercings CBBE 2.0.4" "0189","+","Fortaleza Armor - Complete V5_1" "0190","+","Liberty Prime Armor 2.0a - CBBE -" "0191","+","Liberty Prime Armor - Armorsmith Extended 2.0" "0192","+","A.S.I.A._BodySlide" "0193","+","A.S.I.A. Clothing & Bodyslide Addon" "0194","+","ASIA Shade Assault Armor Bodyslide" "0195","+","Absolutely Skimpy Attire" "0196","+","Sed7 Body Piercings Conversion for Fallout 4" "0197","+","Chinese Stealth Suit 0.14" "0198","+","Chinese Stealth Suit CBBE support" "0199","+","DansesWearableHolotags" "0200","+","Dicky's Pinup Outfit CBBE Fusion Girl" "0201","+","Equippable Bikini High Heels Stockings and Gloves" "0202","+","HN66Fo4 EasyGirl BS V5.01" "0203","+","HN66Fo4 EasyGirl BS V5.01 - PATCH B" "0204","+","HN66s Plain Earrings for FO4 1.00" "0205","+","CBBE Physics for HN66s EasyGirl Version" "0206","+","IceStorm's High Heels" "0207","+","DA Harness" "0208","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 4" "0209","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 5" "0210","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 6" "0211","+","WetLookBootsFO4" "0212","+","Zipsuit v2.0" "0213","+","Mod Configuration Menu" "0214","+","Female Outfit Replacer wiit Highheels HDT system" "0215","+","Armorsmith Extended" "0216","+","Oldwolf's Homestead" "0217","+","Oldwolfs Changes" "0218","+","High Res DLC Black Face Fix" "0219","+","Start Me Up - Alternate Start and Dialogue Overhaul" "0220","+","Main Quest Choices Extended"
Molevalence Posted August 30, 2020 Author Posted August 30, 2020 Thank you Spoonsinger for that mod. I will try it out. Wow Oldwolf58, that is a lot of mods. I used to have vtaw armor mods installed but they are very large and I removed them to play it on the safe side with game stability. I will study your load order and do some comparisons to mine. If I can get the CTD from perk points fixed I will be pretty much set and might try to install more mods again slowly over time to test the strength of the game. If you have 210 mods installed and have next to next to no issues I see no reason why I can't go that high.
Oldwolf58 Posted August 30, 2020 Posted August 30, 2020 30 minutes ago, Molevalence said: Thank you Spoonsinger for that mod. I will try it out. Wow Oldwolf58, that is a lot of mods. I used to have vtaw armor mods installed but they are very large and I removed them to play it on the safe side with game stability. I will study your load order and do some comparisons to mine. If I can get the CTD from perk points fixed I will be pretty much set and might try to install more mods again slowly over time to test the strength of the game. If you have 210 mods installed and have next to next to no issues I see no reason why I can't go that high. One mod I wouldn't install just now is Boston Devious Helper. It's an Alpha mod at the moment and I've only got it installed to help with the trouble-shooting although it isn't cause and problems other than annoyances in my load.
Molevalence Posted August 30, 2020 Author Posted August 30, 2020 Thank you for the update. I will avoid that mod for now.
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