[HELP] clothes too bright outside

[Aslan.]

Hey guys how are you doing? Hope everything is well.

 

I have a little problem that maybe someone else had in past and know how to deal with, basically all my TRANSPARENT clothes are waaaaay too bright, but only when i'm outside, interiors are perfect, but as soon as i get outside the clothes shines like the sun literally (see the pics if you don't believe me XD) and are no more transparent

 

Decided to look into that and so far i've tried:

 

1. Playing around with ENB, nothing seems to be the cause of it, in the second image you can see the shirt with "ambientlight", "directlight", "pointlight" and all the specular set near to 0 but still the shirt is too bright and NOT transparent at all.

Tried also with Gamma, contrast, skylight, adaptation, nothing works.

Even after disabling all the ENB effects the shirt is too bright.

 

2. With GIMP i've reduced considerably the brightness of the three textures files (main, normalmap, and specularmap), no result.

 

3. In nifskope, played around with all the options under "BSLightingShaderProperty", nothing seems to work, even setting specular strenght to 0 doesn't do anything, while setting "Alpha" to a lower value (to make it more tranparent) worked in part, the clothes are less visible but still too too bright.

 

4. Tried to load the outfit in game without the "specularmap.dds", obvioulsy resulted in weird lighting.

 

All the difference after the steps listed are only visible inside, outside nothing change.

 

So i ask here if someone have some ideas of what could this be or how to fix it, also i should mention that i'm using ELFX-interiors only, could it be possible that this is the reason why the outfits are perfect in interiors, and too bright in exteriors? Maybe installing also ELFX - exteriors would fix this? 

I'm using NLA Enb, i fear that installing ELFX for exteriors will mess things.

 

Anyway here some pics of the outfit (sorry you have to download them to see)

 

Thanks!!

 

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1. How shirt look outside, with my normal ENB settings

enb 2020_08_18 19_30_37_04.bmp

 

2. How it looks with ENB ON but all the lighting set near to 0 (better but still not transparent)

enb 2020_08_18 18_51_33_15.bmp

 

3. How it looks in interiors, perfect and as you can see is transparent haha

enb 2020_08_18 19_33_19_59.bmp

 

[Dorabella]

23 minutes ago, Aslan. said:

3. In nifskope

Try this?

 

Spoiler

 

[yeahokbuddy]

I've actually had a similar issue in the past where transparent white clothing would be super bright. Now looking back on it, I suspect that the clothing is perfectly fine but rather a combination of Adaptation, Bloom, and Subsurface Scattering are making transparent white objects more white than they appear.

 

Adaptation tends to make darker things look darker and brighter things look brighter. Bloom makes brighter objects even brighter. Certain subsurface scattering settings can make skin appear darker than worn clothing.

[Aslan.]

27 minutes ago, Lestat1627 said:

Try this?

 

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Hey!

 

Yes, already tried the specular/emissive color and strenght, but the difference is noticeable only in interiors, no visual difference outside....

 

Thanks anyway!

[Aslan.]

3 minutes ago, ClosetRacist said:

I've actually had a similar issue in the past where transparent white clothing would be super bright. Now looking back on it, I suspect that the clothing is perfectly fine but rather a combination of Adaptation, Bloom, and Subsurface Scattering are making transparent white objects more white than they appear.

 

Adaptation tends to make darker things look darker and brighter things look brighter. Bloom makes brighter objects even brighter. Certain subsurface scattering settings can make skin appear darker than worn clothing.

Hey there!

 

Thanks for the reply, unfortunately i've already tried by turning off these effects (adaptation, bloom, lens, SSS, reflection ecc...), oddly also with the effects off the shirt is too bright, i was thinking of ELFX, maybe i can try to install the exterior version, hope i don't mess things....

[Aslan.]

It seems i have found a "workaround", i had to completely turn off Specularity from ENB console just for the outside, the clothes now are at least transparent, yet bright but it is a lot better..... a pity cause now every other clothing or armor doesn't have specular effects outside.

 

Thanks guys!

[C5Kev]

On 8/18/2020 at 3:36 PM, Aslan. said:

It seems i have found a "workaround", i had to completely turn off Specularity from ENB console just for the outside, the clothes now are at least transparent, yet bright but it is a lot better..... a pity cause now every other clothing or armor doesn't have specular effects outside.

 

Thanks guys!

 

It could be your clothes meshes doing this and not game settings or ENB, etc. Do you know how to use Outfit Studio?  You can try this as well  >  Import a clothes part into Outfit Studio, then export it as an .obj file. Then re-import the obj file, along with a reference body.  You'll need to go through the "Conform All", "Copy Bone Weights" process and re-assign the textures.  This doesn't work 100%, but it's worked for me on many occasions.  I have had some meshes "glow" no matter what I did, but give it a shot.

 

[Aslan.]

1 hour ago, C5Kev said:

 

It could be your clothes meshes doing this and not game settings or ENB, etc. Do you know how to use Outfit Studio?  You can try this as well  >  Import a clothes part into Outfit Studio, then export it as an .obj file. Then re-import the obj file, along with a reference body.  You'll need to go through the "Conform All", "Copy Bone Weights" process and re-assign the textures.  This doesn't work 100%, but it's worked for me on many occasions.  I have had some meshes "glow" no matter what I did, but give it a shot.

 

Hey!

 

thank you very much for the suggestion, this is something i have never read anywhere, i'll try it today and let you know asap.

 

thanks!!

[C5Kev]

2 hours ago, Aslan. said:

Hey!

 

thank you very much for the suggestion, this is something i have never read anywhere, i'll try it today and let you know asap.

 

thanks!!

 

Ah shit. Come to think about it, the above actually works in the opposite direction - shit that glows in the shadows. But hey, try it anyway.  Is your outfit from a Chinese site maybe?  Just guessing, but I was working on an outfit that had a shirt from a Chinese or Korean site - who knows, I can't read either.  Anyway, I had the exact same problem. The shirt was white, had some transparency and man, when going outside it was like starring at the Sun. It hurt my eyes looking at it.  And it's not due to my ENB setting, etc, it's the shirt. I looked at it in NifSkope, nothing "weird", tried the above thing and nothing I tried ever fixed the problem.  So I had to shit-can the outfit.  All I can think of is that it must be something built into the mesh (not that Closet above ^^ is wrong ), which kinda makes no sense, but it's all I could come up with. Sorry I couldn't provide more info.

 

[Aslan.]

47 minutes ago, C5Kev said:

 

Ah shit. Come to think about it, the above actually works in the opposite direction - shit that glows in the shadows. But hey, try it anyway.  Is your outfit from a Chinese site maybe?  Just guessing, but I was working on an outfit that had a shirt from a Chinese or Korean site - who knows, I can't read either.  Anyway, I had the exact same problem. The shirt was white, had some transparency and man, when going outside it was like starring at the Sun. It hurt my eyes looking at it.  And it's not due to my ENB setting, etc, it's the shirt. I looked at it in NifSkope, nothing "weird", tried the above thing and nothing I tried ever fixed the problem.  So I had to shit-can the outfit.  All I can think of is that it must be something built into the mesh (not that Closet above ^^ is wrong ), which kinda makes no sense, but it's all I could come up with. Sorry I couldn't provide more info.

 

Yeah that is exactely what happen to me, as soon as i go out, especially in shadows as you said, all my transparent clothes shines ridicolously and loose the tranparency, hahah and yes some of them are chinese mods (like "Leifang hot summer") others not. But every TRANSPARENT clothes give me this problem mostly in the shadows (where the directlight doesn't hit), it's so annoying. I'll try your suggestion anyway, also beacause i really don't have any idea of what else i can try haha i really wonder what is the problem.... 

[C5Kev]

If "...especially in shadows as you said" is what's happening, then yes, what I suggested will work.  Most of the time. Let me know how you make out. I think the problem must stem from whatever system or tools the Asians use to create meshes.  Because I create a lot of outfits for mods, I run into this quite often. It's aggravating 'cuz one gets shit done, goes in-game to check it out and "Ah, Fuck!".  Then ya gotta go through what I explained. I betcha it'll work.

[Aslan.]

2 hours ago, C5Kev said:

If "...especially in shadows as you said" is what's happening, then yes, what I suggested will work.  Most of the time. Let me know how you make out. I think the problem must stem from whatever system or tools the Asians use to create meshes.  Because I create a lot of outfits for mods, I run into this quite often. It's aggravating 'cuz one gets shit done, goes in-game to check it out and "Ah, Fuck!".  Then ya gotta go through what I explained. I betcha it'll work.

Damn man it worked perfectly!!

 

I don't know how to thank you, I would never have found out on my own, jeez...

 

By the way I've realized now that you're the guy who makes these super cool clothes and armor, love them man, especially the animated ones, you've got some serious skills!

 

Thank you very very much for the solution!

[C5Kev]

Excellent!  Because I thought the problem was with the nif, I figured that if I "recreated" the part in some other format, then bring it back into OS, that would perhaps solve the problem.  Glad it worked out - and you've learned something new. Exciting, isn't it?  LOL!

 

Oh, go to my Patreon page, lots more there. 95% of stuff is "unlocked", so you don't need to join. And you might find something you like.