Expressions and mouth movement

[qazwsx]

The player does not seem to display any expressions or open their mouth? Is this normal?

[Guest]

You might be using a head replacer that isn't set up for morphs or is changed in a way that it's broken.

[qazwsx]

No it turns out the skeleton from the Xilandro's headtracking mod breaks facial morphs of all things. How odd

[A.J.]

Yes that skeleton lacks some facial morphs, but in few days a new one should come out that is compatible

[qazwsx]

I did some testing and actually any of the skeleton from Xilandro's mods, as well as the one from the One Man Army mod all break facial morphs. I don't know how no one on Nexus has noticed, because it's not just sex, vanilla things like eating and drinking also stop working.

 

But for some reason blinking, and npc dialogue are unaffected. One of the most perplexing modding puzzles I've encountered.

[A.J.]

I think it's because they use a different approach to expressions in the engine.

dialogues use something related to mfg, while idles call a morph using the skeleton, hence if the skeleton miss some of those then animations won't trigger facial expressions.

 

If you want to double check if it's true, you can use FEEL to trigger a facial morph, these use MFG so they should work.

 

I can give you a temporary skeleton which works with xilandro but not with one army man, or you can wait some days and the new one will come out.

[qazwsx]

Oh thanks that's very kind but I've already decided to ditch both those mods. There are other mods that do the same thing without having to modify the skeletons. Armed to the teeth and Grenade key https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/58171.

I think I prefer it as well because Quickthrow removes part of the animation like lighting dynamite and pulling the pin.

One man army is arguably superior to attt in it's implementation and compatibility, but Attt has the advantage of  consistent weapon placement and 2 rifles.

 

Xilandro's mods often unnecessarily complicate things, just like with diagonal movement there is another skeleton free version of it by someone else.

[dongding]

On 4/25/2020 at 3:54 PM, A.J. said:

I think it's because they use a different approach to expressions in the engine.

dialogues use something related to mfg, while idles call a morph using the skeleton, hence if the skeleton miss some of those then animations won't trigger facial expressions.

 

If you want to double check if it's true, you can use FEEL to trigger a facial morph, these use MFG so they should work.

 

I can give you a temporary skeleton which works with xilandro but not with one army man, or you can wait some days and the new one will come out.

Do you have a skeleton that works with BB, Sexout and Weapon Inertia? When I use the skeleton provided by Weapon Innertia, by breasts go haywire when switching to FP Ironsight aiming.

[A.J.]

4 hours ago, dongding said:

Do you have a skeleton that works with BB, Sexout and Weapon Inertia? When I use the skeleton provided by Weapon Innertia, by breasts go haywire when switching to FP Ironsight aiming.

I PM you one to try

[A.J.]

4 hours ago, qazwsx said:

Xilandro's mods often unnecessarily complicate things, just like with diagonal movement there is another skeleton free version of it by someone else.

Because Xilandro's diagonal movement uses scripting and a JIP function which uses a specific bone in the skeleton, while that other mod is made in C++ and there are not many programmers who can do stuff like that unfortunately