About paid mods for popular games and whatnot

[DoYourBest]

Maidolover, I'm sorry, pal, but you are the only one that doesn't understand shit that reads. It has been explained to you multiple times by various perople. You keep coming back for more, so no point in explaining it to you again. At this point in the conversation, as I said earlier, it's pretty obvious you are either dumb or a troll. Keep supporting paid mods, that sure will help the modding community in the long run when companies get tired of idiots making use of their IP and copyrighted assets to make money without permission.

[QuackFluffy]

On 4/20/2020 at 8:56 AM, JackWall said:

@QuackFluffyI'll quote CD Projekt:

	9 USER GENERATED CONTENT 9.1 This section is about content (e.g. text, photos or links), which you make available either to us or to other CD PROJEKT RED users (for example through forum messages to other CD PROJEKT RED users) or any other content which you create using CD PROJEKT RED content. We'll call this "User Generated Content". Please remember that CD PROJEKT RED game or service may have additional separate legal Rules specifying your rights and obligations with respect to relevant User Generated Content. You own the User Generated Content, created by you. Please make sure it doesn’t breach any third party rights. 9.2 As far as we and you are concerned, you own any User Generated Content you created but we need you to give us certain rights over it so that we can actually transmit it through CD PROJEKT RED games and services. So, when you make your User Generated Content available through any of CD PROJEKT RED games or services you give us a non-exclusive, irrevocable licence to use, modify, reproduce, create derivative works from, distribute, transmit, communicate and publicly display/perform your User Generated Content in connection with CD PROJEKT RED games and services. 9.3 It is your responsibility to make sure that you have all necessary legal rights before you use User Generated Content and for checking they are safe to use. We can't know that ourselves, and we can't check it for you, so we rely on you. 9.4 If you create your User Generated Content using any graphics, audio, video, text, gameplay, features, characters, settings or any other content from CD PROJEKT RED games or services (e.g you create fan mods using CD PROJEKT RED tools) – you may use and share it for personal enjoyment, but we do not allow: (i) any use or distribution of it for money or any commercial purpose; or (ii) for that User Generated Content to be placed in third party games or services or standalone products of any kind, without our prior approval (which you can request at legal@cdprojektred.com). Please note we reserve the right to review each request and accept or reject it if necessary. You may use CD PROJEKT RED content to create the User Generated Content for your personal enjoyment, but not to make money or other commercial purposes. If you want to use your User Generated Content in third party products or to make part of our content a standalone product, please first ask us for permission.
	What you believe, it's irrelevant. What you think it's right, it's irrelevant. Here you have one of the most lax company in the world, telling PLAIN AND SIMPLE that you can't sell mods. Period.   Edit: and CD Projekt has the official modding tools! So THEY allow you to mod, it's inside their EULA. They do NOT allow you to sell. Not that hard to understand.

Now look at the EULA for any game without official modding support. Chances are high you'll find one paragraph explaining you can't reverse engineer any part of the game or distribute derivative works based on any game asset.

[DoYourBest]

@QuackFluffyExactly, the difference is, MOST studios tollerate that you mod the game. What they don't tollerate is that you make a profit out of their work without their permission.

[MaidoLover]

Most modders and mod users are completely hilarious actually believing in their constant circle jerking,  I've seen it on discord...  (while somehow also managing to be incredibly naive and when confronted incredibly rude,  for some reason,  probably lack of self confidence but hey, that's "off topic"...

) 

 

Money seems to be the motivation more often than not,  and they actually believe they have a "copyright"  on their work on stolen assets (this is where the "from scratch"  argument usually gets thrown around lol) 

 

Good example yesterday someone on this forum told me with a straight face companies "don't know"  about these things and their assets being reverse engineered and sold (I mean "donated"  lmfao)  for horrendous sums 

 

 

Another good example of believing only his own lies (nexus doesn't make money with mods and money is not their prime motivation) is the OP who immediately gets hostile when told... 

 

Circle jerk galore. 

 

And I think it's time to get an official stance on these things now from certain companies,  it would be interesting to hear "from the horse's mouth" so to say...   I cannot imagine they're happy with this current situation,  as much as I cannot believe they're completely oblivious to the circumstances... 

 

I just know I'm completely sick of the LIES  certain people keep spreading on internet forums (such as nexus etc)  never bringing any prove for their outlandish believes ,  always hiding behind "forum rules",   which often seem to be specifically designed to protect such circle jerking individuals. 

 

 

 

[DoYourBest]

@MaidoLoverThe only circle jerking individual I see right now is you. Who doesn't even know what his stance is and tried to straw man the discussion and justify paid mods because "WeBSiTes MakE UsE of AdS aNd ThEy uSe ThAT mOneY to oFFeR ReWArds To MODDerS".

[dup3w4sh1ngt0n]

On 4/17/2020 at 7:34 PM, Blehbreh said:

I didn't come to this forum to brag about my modding and game development accomplishments. I won't entertain you with any of them either. If you're going to act like a child I'm not going to bother conversing with you.

Again, speak to me when you've modeled, UVd and textured something yourself from scratch. There's no child-like behavior here; just a bunch of entitled non-mod authors

[dup3w4sh1ngt0n]

On 4/17/2020 at 6:10 PM, Saberguy said:

Except you are infringing on their IP if you say that "This is a mod for Skyrim for sale without permission from Bethesda.". Look dude, you can find a myriad of reasons why you cant legally sell mods for games by people a lot more intelligent than me with a simple google search. Asking for donations is okay though. Here is a very good answer from gamefaqs that i found.

 

" The EULA isn't the only thing that's an issue with paid mods. If your mod uses ANY resources at ALL from the game, and you're selling that mod for money, you are directly profiting off of something someone else built and owns the copyright to. It'd be the same as photocopying a page or two from a book and then writing your own fanfic and selling it. You won't get away with that unless the publisher explicitly allows it, because you're profiting from someone else's copyrighted work. That has nothing to do with the EULA.

Also, let's say you created a ground-up mod that adds a whole expansion chapter for The Witcher 3. You used no game resources directly, built your models (including Geralt) yourself, got your own voice actors, the whole shebang. You did it all with nothing pulled directly from the actual game. You still almost *certainly* will not be able to sell that legally, because you are directly mimicking someone's trademark and or copyrighted material, and you can't sell that for profit.

Hell, there have been modders shut down before - legally - for making mods that were too similar to a game even though they WEREN'T going to sell it. Think charging money is going to make that less likely, or more? Just like you can't just create your own Star Wars game from scratch and legally sell it, you can't build a mod like that which relies too much on trademarked or copyrighted content - even if you "built" it yourself - and legally sell it. Again, nothing to do with the EULA.

However, if you made a mod for The Witcher 3 that was more of a total conversion, and told your own story, with your own characters, all running off the Witcher 3's engine, you probably wouldn't have a problem as long as the devs were OK with that. Even then though, they could still probably sue you and win in court if they wanted to, because your mod relies directly on their game in order to run, and you didn't receive their permission to profit that way from their work.

So again, the bottom line is really that it depends on several things - what your mod is, how you made it, the opinion of the devs, etc."

Not the same thing in the slightest

[Blehbreh]

2 hours ago, dup3w4sh1ngt0n said:

Again, speak to me when you've modeled, UVd and textured something yourself from scratch. There's no child-like behavior here; just a bunch of entitled non-mod authors

I have, thank you. It's been a pleasure speaking with you.

[hawkzor]

I think Patreon mods and paid mods are fine. If an author works hard and wants their hobby to also help support them irl financially thats OK. Yes it goes against a game's EULA but this is a website for sex mods, don't try to hide behind morality because its convenient. 

[DoYourBest]

@hawkzorYou have omitted almost the entire original post in your reply. I'm not talking about morality, I'm talking about legal facts. You sell mods making use of ripped assets>companies can sue your ass if they want. Period.

 

On the other hand, this has been already explained multiple times, YES, there's a huge difference between locking down content behind a pay wall and actually allowing people to donate IF they want to support you. If you block content behind a "donation fee", that's the same as selling content. Period, full stop. Not that hard to understand, honestly...

[Toki Wartooth]

There's a reason I quit AAA games.

Because paid skins.    

So why would I pay for mods?   Ridiculous.   

Amazing how many people want to defend them as well.   They are fleecing everybody for what should be free.

Regardless it's the internet therefore it's always going to be free eventually.   

Onlne donations are considered gifts and they use this to dodge income taxes on that money.   

Now show me a guy swapping an alternator in a vehicle in a real garage in real life and I show you someone who deserves a paycheck.   Or construction, foresting, etc.  

Doodling boobs on a computer is not work.   It's leisure.   

And yes they often steal copyrighted material to sell mods.   

Really shows how the world economy is falling apart with all the online e-beggars these days.    My workplace is hiring though.   It's only 20 hours a week folks.   Plenty of time to enjoy your hobbies while earning your keep in life.   

Then I suspect many of these people are also disability claimers and/or welfare recipients.   Why wouldn't they be?   And I'm not talking about a person who lost their legs or something.   I'm talking phony disability claims and general laziness.   

Adult mod artists should get together and start an actual game studio.    We really need it for the woke West.    If I was a millionaire I would fund this and pay them well.   No censorship!      

 

[Toki Wartooth]

By the way Yiff party is a decent mirror site to pirate the pirated copyrighted content.  

And get this - They let you look at the images.   

Sorry not interested in making an account for a grifter's platform to see things I can't even download.    What's the point of that site anyways?   

Making an account is enough of a fair exchange.    I made an account here because of the value it provides.   They likely sell my data and whatever that's fine.   

But why would I make an account, lose my data, and pay for the service all at the same time?    Let me bend over further and grab my ankles this time I guess.    

[Toki Wartooth]

On 4/17/2020 at 1:47 AM, dup3w4sh1ngt0n said:

It's not about "greed"; it's about being compensated for your time and turning a hobby into a revenue stream. You realize life has expenses, right? A lot of us are living on our own, with our own rents/mortgages, bills, and other hobbies that require money to pursue. Modeling and texturing are becoming that much more time-intensive due to the increased fidelity of modern games, which is only compounded by perpetually increasing costs of living and pay that does not scale linearly, meaning people are working more just to make ends meet. This, in turn, means less free-time, thus increasing the value of time spent on creating a mod. Because of that, people would naturally want more for their hard-work than likes or endorsements because of the opportunity cost. As a mod creator and an full fledged adult with hours of commute time, I understand why people "sell" their mods, and if that's their prerogative, let them be. Paywalls didn't stop me from learning how to do shit on my own, in fact, they encouraged me

Yeah find real work and pay taxes like the rest of us.   

Don't be a bum.   

Be a dood, not a selfish dick.   

YT is free as well.   So is Twitch and all porn online.   If you pay you're simply ignorant.    There's millions of free sites out there to circumvent awful places like Paytreon and this is one of them.    

If modding is work then I guess being a welfare queen is work also.    

The whole point of online modding is the idea of freeware content.    

Then there's the fact most people in the world are in a worse economic situation than somebody who A.   Already owns a desktop PC.    and B.   Can afford internet access.    Oh yeah sure, they really need your money lol.    

If they don't want to find employment then at least budget.   I guarantee most game modders own $1000 smartphones and pay $50-$100 for it.   But they need your money..   

Just look at the amount of entitled people in the USA dropping out of work for $600 a week unemployment.   And expect that to last forever.   Modern people are entitled and lazy, simple as that.    If you work you'll get paid to stay in good shape.    Ya know, real work.    Men's work.