Fenwood Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 So, was thinking about re-installing Oblivion, cause for some reason I feel like avoiding all the games I own and haven't played yet. There were some types of mods that I wanted to install, and I've heard of Lovers before. But I'm still not entirely sure what it is. -Is it just animations? Like estrus or pose mods? These seem to me to be fun for about 5 minutes, then the gleam wears away. -Does it only function if you press a certain hotkey? Would kinda be disappointed if it was like "Oh look, I lost the fight, better press "L" to see some rape action!". -Does it affect combat? This is what I was thinking, like some animals/minotaurs/bandits will rape you if you lose. More importantly... -Can you use sex to win fights or avoid getting killed? Or is it just a novelty thing where you can choose to randomly start having sex with a target, and when you turn it off, you go back like nothing happened, and stab the person. -And do I REALLY need Wyre Bash to install? If I remember from the last time I tried using it, it isn't really "Stream-lined" or "user-friendly" and would be nice if xLovers worked with Nexus Mod Manager...
gregathit Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Well boss, you are definately not starting off on the right foot that much I can tell you. Reading the OP's for lovers plugins is an absolute must unless you like having your game crash all the time. Start by reading this: http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=3 and then carefully read the entire OP for each and every plugin you download.
Fenwood Posted February 1, 2013 Author Posted February 1, 2013 Well boss' date=' you are definately not starting off on the right foot that much I can tell you. Reading the OP's for lovers plugins is an absolute must unless you like having your game crash all the time. Start by reading this: http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=3 and then carefully read the entire OP for each and every plugin you download. [/quote'] Oh, I've read that. I know there are a whole bunch of diffrent plugins that do different things. I was thinking more like if I were to download one of the "compilation of everything" type packs (saw something on hongfire) what I'd might expect. And sadly, the plugin descriptions don't really tell me much. Such as: Adult Play's description: "Sex and prostitution mod" Is it a spell? Is it a script? Is it hotkey activated? Or can you get it through conversation? Does it happen right there, or do you follow a prostitute to the inn, or are you the prostitute? Is everyone now a potential prostitute, or are prostitute NPCs added to the game. I looked around for information, but I'm saying I'm still confused about what this is. Another one: LoversPayBandits description: "Pay off bandits with sex". Okay....once again, just a hotkey? or a spell? or is it for only the bridge-type bandits of the "give me your money variety" and it works only through conversation. The process for installing these files seems like it can be quite complex, and I'd just like to know what I'm getting into before I do. EDIT: I guess what I am mostly asking is...if I were to install every xLovers type plugin, would Oblivion become an H-Game where I could use sex to overcome most obstacles, as well as have sex become an obstacle to overcome. Or must I go out of my way to run into it?
vashar Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 I believe both of those mods you mentioned are conversation-based. For the bandits, they'll run up to you and say something along the lines of "Your money or your life", and you get different things to say, like "I'd rather die," "Here's the gold," or something like "What about my body?" For Adult Play Plus... I don't recall it adding prostitution, but I think does let you offer sex by conversation, as well as asking someone to be your lover. I haven't played around much with the latter option, though. - Lovers Hooker lets you prostitute yourself, and has ranks. - Lovers Prostitue adds prostitutes to the game, and I think a quest? Plugins vary by a lot. Some are full quest mods relating to sex, some let NPCs rape other NPCs or the PC during combat.* Another adds stalkers that will follow other NPCs and rape them. That's just a few off the top of my head. *There's a number of versions of this one, but the one I use does give the option for the player to rape during combat without spell or hotkey, based only on chance. Otherwise it's spell-based for the player. (Note: This is all just from memory, so it may not be exact in detail)
gregathit Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Oh' date=' I've read that. I know there are a whole bunch of diffrent plugins that do different things. I was thinking more like if I were to download one of the "compilation of everything" type packs (saw something on hongfire) what I'd might expect. And sadly, the plugin descriptions don't really tell me much. [/quote'] Hongfire is a completely different website and offers in some cases vastly different versions of plugins. We don't really know, nor do we care what or how their stuff operates, so asking about their stuff here is kinda pointless. Such as: Adult Play's description: "Sex and prostitution mod" Is it a spell? Is it a script? Is it hotkey activated? Or can you get it through conversation? Does it happen right there' date=' or do you follow a prostitute to the inn, or are you the prostitute? Is everyone now a potential prostitute, or are prostitute NPCs added to the game. I looked around for information, but I'm saying I'm still confused about what this is. [/quote'] Sounds like you skimmed the FAQ page and didn't go to the links. One of the links (down towards the bottom of the OP) gives a page with a quick description of many of the major plugins: http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=65 Some sex occurs from dialogue and some through spells. Depends on the plugin. Again, reading the OP or reading through the thread generally answers this. If you can't find info about a specific plugin then ask either in that thread or the tech support one and someone will holler back. Another one: LoversPayBandits description: "Pay off bandits with sex". Okay....once again' date=' just a hotkey? or a spell? or is it for only the bridge-type bandits of the "give me your money variety" and it works only through conversation. [/quote'] Again, you didn't bother to read the OP. All of this is answered there: http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=8622 It may "seem" like I am being hard on you but reading the info that folks have spent time typing out is not asking a lot. EDIT: I guess what I am mostly asking is...if I were to install every xLovers type plugin' date=' would Oblivion become an H-Game where I could use sex to overcome most obstacles, as well as have sex become an obstacle to overcome. Or must I go out of my way to run into it? [/quote'] No. You can't resolve any of the vanilla quest lines with sex. However many of the plugins are integrated in such a way that they fit quite seamlessly with the Oblivion world. If bandits catch a scantily clad pretty girl on the road they may settle for just robbing you or the may rob and rape you. Again, you need to look over the plugins and decide what best fits your playing style. Now there are some ridiculously silly plugins out there as well, but they are easy to spot. Again, if you have a specific question about a specific question then feel free to ask and we can tell you or point you in the right direction quickly and easily.
3m4041 Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 EDIT: I guess what I am mostly asking is...if I were to install every xLovers type plugin' date=' would Oblivion become an H-Game where I could use sex to overcome most obstacles, as well as have sex become an obstacle to overcome. Or must I go out of my way to run into it? [/quote'] If you installed every lovers plugin (at the same time) you would be very unhappy about making such a foolish mistake, and having to start all over from scratch reinstalling oblivion, because you didn't read the directions. You might even get mad and say, forget it lovers doesn't work. But then, you would miss out on all the fun you could have had. There are hundreds of things you can do with lovers. Some of the mods do things one way, while other mods do it another way. They aren't compatible with one another, so you have to read, and choose which you prefer BEFORE you install.
Fenwood Posted February 1, 2013 Author Posted February 1, 2013 EDIT: I guess what I am mostly asking is...if I were to install every xLovers type plugin' date=' would Oblivion become an H-Game where I could use sex to overcome most obstacles, as well as have sex become an obstacle to overcome. Or must I go out of my way to run into it? [/quote'] If you installed every lovers plugin (at the same time) you would be very unhappy about making such a foolish mistake, and having to start all over from scratch reinstalling oblivion, because you didn't read the directions. You might even get mad and say, forget it lovers doesn't work. But then, you would miss out on all the fun you could have had. There are hundreds of things you can do with lovers. Some of the mods do things one way, while other mods do it another way. They aren't compatible with one another, so you have to read, and choose which you prefer BEFORE you install. I agree that just randomly installing mods would be a bad thing. I also don't wanna spend hours upon hours modding before i can get into the game. The current thing I am looking at is called AIOblivion 3, which comes with a whole bunch of Lovers plugins. I'm assuming it's already been gone through to remove most incompatibilities in the file set. I would normally throw caution to the wind and just try it, but after reading the "tutorial" my head is spinning a bit. My main goal is to, hopefully, combine a trap like androgynous male character (short), while changing as many NPCs to female as possible, with large breasts. And then using AIOblivion w/ Lovers + PK, to get the most natural feeling sex game experience I can. Course, I've already run into basic issues like "Does Oblivion get patched when Shivering Isles gets installed? Cause I thought it did, maybe I should just start over now before I get too far in." and "Should I bother with Unofficial Patches? maybe they are included in the pack..." Not to mention, I gotta see if this giant pack includes any facial improvements (like XEO) or even generic environment improvements. (probably not). Hopefully, it won't take 20 minutes to load a map with all these files, even if I do have a decent computer. Sorry for the semi-rant. TL,DR: I'm not new to modding, but these types of mods are a LOT more involved than what I'm used to. Avoided Wyre Bash like the plague if I could, and now it's required.
gregathit Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Again, we don't have anything to do with the Hongfire AIO mod pack. Your best bet is to ask for help and support in their forum.
Bashis Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 i looked at the aio pack, and honestly, its a basics pack, looks like its designed to get the framework for the normal lovers, rape scenarios, and pregnancy into your game. no quest or "adventure" plugins at all, and i dont know when it was last updated so if you installed that and then came here to get expansions, i would almost guarentee it wouldnt work due to different versions, so if i were you i would pick either hongfire OR here, and get all your plugins from one site or the other. as gregathit said, we are 2 completely different forums, kind of like going to burger king and asking for chicken mcnuggets, they both serve food but its not the same flavor. and as far as wry bash is involved, i've never ran it, nor used a bashed patch and ive got about 150 active plugins, well over 200 if you count the ones i merged, so if you have prior modding experience if you really dont want to use it you can easily get away with it.
Guest Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 I can understand where you're coming from, lovers can be a bit daunting for those who've never used it before. There's a wiki in the works but we've yet to complete it (we really need to!), you can find it in this sub section of the of the forum (or use the search function) however there are many plugins with little or no descriptions there. To answer some of your questions, what each plugin does/adds varies. Most plugins use dialogue and spells, many of them don't however. Hotkey's aren't important unless you want to hotkey certain spells added by lovers (settings spells or gameplay spells from loversmagic and such). Sex in lovers is animated. There is a large pool of animations that have four stages. It's rigged and not like real sex at all but it's much better than static poses. There are plugins that affect combat, raperS being the primary one. It adds a rape system whereby NPCs can rape the player and other NPCs if the player configures the settings. It also allows you to rape NPCs. Now that I've mentioned RaperS I'd like to mention that you need to be wary of what you're installing. Don't under any circumstances install two or more versions of the same mod (ie, don't install two versions of RaperS, joburg etc). It leads to bad things. Yes, there are plugins that allow the player to avoid combat through sex, two plugins that do this are LoversAdultYield and LoversCalm. Eh, you could probably get away without using Wrye but it is recommended. There's a lovers installation guide that teaches you how to make a bashed patch in this section. So, hope this helped, feel free to make a post or pm someone if you need further aid, and good luck!
Fenwood Posted February 5, 2013 Author Posted February 5, 2013 So, I went ahead and installed it. Got it up and running first time and started a new game. Sadly, one of the things I was dreading came to pass....activation. Not only does the game start up with like 20 pop ups, but then there's spells and items. I had like 40 spells. Some toggled a menu, some just cast to do an effect, 10-15 keys in my inventory that likely all did some setting or another. It's overwhelming. I had hoped I'd be able to play the game smoothly, just with some added sex in convo, and maybe a spell or too, but the clutter is just too much to handle. I might take the original advice and go back to looking at lovers separately. Anybody know what lovers mods DON'T add configuration spells and items? I really wanna just reduce the clutter so I don't lose half my inventory in the mess. Edit: Also, I tried using a rape spell during a fight in an inn. It kinda worked, and ended with my character humping air while the "victim" a few feet away flailed her arms. It also never ended. Couldn't find a single way to cancel the damn thing.
Guest Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 Most plugins include spells as they allow the player to configure the settings to their likings. They really are necessary if you wish to make changes and/or enable features. Things like the general settings spell, the RaperS settings spell, the joburg spells, and more should always be in your spellbook. You could probably delete some spells by using some other mod that allows you to delete spells if you really want to. As for your issue, to move an actor during sex you can use the 1,2,3,4,9 and 0 keys. Remember to hold them down. Each will move one of the actors so that you can align them better. As for sex never ending, check into your lovers settings spell and find out if sex progression is manual or automatic. Switch it to automatic and if you'd like keep it at manual (I believe that you get a message telling you how when you switch it back to manual). If problems still persist then I suggest posting in the tech support section but make sure to read the sticky thread there to make things easier for both you and whomever helps you. Hope this helps, good luck
Bashis Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 as far as not wanting all the clutter, http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/20977 adds a spellbook in the mage guild that works just like an item chest, but for spells. so set all your lovers options then dump all the spells into the book so they dont interfere with menu navigating.
Fenwood Posted February 5, 2013 Author Posted February 5, 2013 as far as not wanting all the clutter, http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/20977 adds a spellbook in the mage guild that works just like an item chest, but for spells. so set all your lovers options then dump all the spells into the book so they dont interfere with menu navigating. huh, neat! Whether or not I ever get lovers working like I want, I think I'll grab that anyway. No point carrying around "Flare" at level 20 and all.
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