Just came back to Skyrim, pls help

[Frozy]

Hello everyone, so I just came back to skyrim after a long break and I have a few questions.

 

1) First of all, I was using NMM at the time and from what I understand it's not supported anymore and there's a new manager called Vortex. The problem is that apparently you have to reinstall all the mods, and I have 150+ including 60-70 from Loverslab. Some of them are quite annoying to install like ENB or mods that require a lot of in-game configuration. There's also MO (mod organiser) that a lot of people recommended back in the day but I never really bothered to look into it.

 

So if you're familiar with these mod managers: Is it worth it to move to one of those, does it actually provide anything useful/better than NMM ? 

If so, which one is better, Vortex or MO?

 

2)I was also playing on the old skyrim at the time and now there's Special Edition, so I was wondering if I have to reinstall my mods anyway maybe I should get SE as well? 

 

From what I understand SE is the same game but with a graphics upgrade, but that seems useless considering you can already have great graphics in the original skyrim using ENB mods. My second concern is that there seems to be way more mods available for the original skyrim compared to SE: 60K files for Skyrim and 20K for SE on the Nexus. That is important because I mainly play for the mods, especially Loverslab mods, and not the game itself. But I guess it's possible that a lot of the additional mods for old Skyrim are just niche mods like some random companions and the main mods required to enjoy the game do have a SE equivalent?

 

So for those who use SE, do you think it's worth to get it? Is there any improvement over the old Skyrim that I don't know about? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Psalam]

49 minutes ago, Frozy said:

Hello everyone, so I just came back to skyrim after a long break and I have a few questions.

 

1) First of all, I was using NMM at the time and from what I understand it's not supported anymore and there's a new manager called Vortex. The problem is that apparently you have to reinstall all the mods, and I have 150+ including 60-70 from Loverslab. Some of them are quite annoying to install like ENB or mods that require a lot of in-game configuration. There's also MO (mod organiser) that a lot of people recommended back in the day but I never really bothered to look into it.

 

So if you're familiar with these mod managers: Is it worth it to move to one of those, does it actually provide anything useful/better than NMM ? 

If so, which one is better, Vortex or MO?

 

2)I was also playing on the old skyrim at the time and now there's Special Edition, so I was wondering if I have to reinstall my mods anyway maybe I should get SE as well? 

 

From what I understand SE is the same game but with a graphics upgrade, but that seems useless considering you can already have great graphics in the original skyrim using ENB mods. My second concern is that there seems to be way more mods available for the original skyrim compared to SE: 60K files for Skyrim and 20K for SE on the Nexus. That is important because I mainly play for the mods, especially Loverslab mods, and not the game itself. But I guess it's possible that a lot of the additional mods for old Skyrim are just niche mods like some random companions and the main mods required to enjoy the game do have a SE equivalent?

 

So for those who use SE, do you think it's worth to get it? Is there any improvement over the old Skyrim that I don't know about? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not enough to vote. Let me explain.

 

NMM is still COMMUNITY supported and the latest version is available here:

 

https://github.com/Nexus-Mods/Nexus-Mod-Manager/releases

 

The most recent update has been within the last month, so it is not languishing in Oblivion. NMM is the simplest of the mod managers, the one most like doing it manually. The flip side of that is that it doesn't have a lot of the function that can be found in MO and Vortex. Like so much, it's your choice as to what matters to you.

 

 

SE is the 64 bit version of Skyrim. In the sense that it has all the same characters and quests in the vanilla game they are the same game. Technically, however, they are not. A good way to break your game is to use mods made for LE in SE and vice versa. So, you have to make the choice. While SE is supposed to be more stable (reading the technical threads I have doubts about this but that's the real advantage if it exists). It does require less work to make a modded game stable. On the other hand, many of the LE mods are not yet available for SE although this is becoming less of an issue every day.

[Frozy]

11 hours ago, Psalam said:

It's not enough to vote. Let me explain.

 

NMM is still COMMUNITY supported and the latest version is available here:

 

https://github.com/Nexus-Mods/Nexus-Mod-Manager/releases

 

The most recent update has been within the last month, so it is not languishing in Oblivion. NMM is the simplest of the mod managers, the one most like doing it manually. The flip side of that is that it doesn't have a lot of the function that can be found in MO and Vortex. Like so much, it's your choice as to what matters to you.

 

 

SE is the 64 bit version of Skyrim. In the sense that it has all the same characters and quests in the vanilla game they are the same game. Technically, however, they are not. A good way to break your game is to use mods made for LE in SE and vice versa. So, you have to make the choice. While SE is supposed to be more stable (reading the technical threads I have doubts about this but that's the real advantage if it exists). It does require less work to make a modded game stable. On the other hand, many of the LE mods are not yet available for SE although this is becoming less of an issue every day.

Thanks a lot for your help!

 

So according to the vote most people recommended MO, I'll try to install it and see how it works (there must be some sort of tutorial somewhere) and if it's way too complicated I'll stick with NMM.

 

As for SE a large majority seems to agree that it's useless, so no debate there I guess I'll stay on old skyrim. What do you mean exactly by "It does require less work to make a modded game stable"? Is there significantly less conflicts between mods, game crashes, etc? 

 

 

[Psalam]

1 hour ago, Frozy said:

Thanks a lot for your help!

 

So according to the vote most people recommended MO, I'll try to install it and see how it works (there must be some sort of tutorial somewhere) and if it's way too complicated I'll stick with NMM.

 

As for SE a large majority seems to agree that it's useless, so no debate there I guess I'll stay on old skyrim. What do you mean exactly by "It does require less work to make a modded game stable"? Is there significantly less conflicts between mods, game crashes, etc? 

 

 

If you look at my blog on CTDs (found in my signature below by opening the spoiler entitled "My Stuff") you will find that I recommend using several "mods" in order to make your Skyrim LE game more stable. Equivalently for SE there are only two (the Engine Fixes and Bethini). If you do these properly both games are very stable (if you don't make some other mistake (like the one I mentioned earlier using SE mods on LE and vice versa).

[jaeos]

I agree SE does not have all of the mods LE does. But you also Technically cannot run out of memory in SE, i'm running over 400 mods in SE (yes a few are LE that work directly to SE) Skeletons is one such mod. YouTube look for a channel called gamerspoets MO2 install he does a great job guiding you through all the aspects of MO2 and how to install pretty much everything and associate with nexus to direct download.

[Potato_Skill]

    Hi, I'm using MO currently and all I can say is that MO is the superior mod organiser as long as you spend some time on it. MO provides you w/ lots of control over your mods (which mod gets to overwrite which regardless of the installation order). Vortex is very Nexus friendly. Really, you just hit the "download with Vortex"  and it'll install the mod and activate it for you which also makes it easy to pick up for new users.

    Your question regarding SSE or Classic Skyrim. Here's my two cents. SSE is more stable with it's 64 bit application as it now utilises your system resources better so it's a better choice for long term (The Elder Scrolls VI still seems to be in a distant future). One thing to keep in mind is that Bethesda still updates SSE w/ Creation Club every so often, which means that it will likely break SKSE64, which sucks ... a lot.

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, jaeos said:

But you also Technically cannot run out of memory in SE

Err, a bit wrong there.

[Frozy]

6 hours ago, Psalam said:

If you look at my blog on CTDs (found in my signature below by opening the spoiler entitled "My Stuff") you will find that I recommend using several "mods" in order to make your Skyrim LE game more stable. Equivalently for SE there are only two (the Engine Fixes and Bethini). If you do these properly both games are very stable (if you don't make some other mistake (like the one I mentioned earlier using SE mods on LE and vice versa).

OK thanks, I will look into it before installing anything.

[Frozy]

4 hours ago, jaeos said:

I agree SE does not have all of the mods LE does. But you also Technically cannot run out of memory in SE, i'm running over 400 mods in SE (yes a few are LE that work directly to SE) Skeletons is one such mod. YouTube look for a channel called gamerspoets MO2 install he does a great job guiding you through all the aspects of MO2 and how to install pretty much everything and associate with nexus to direct download.

I don't really know how the memory thing works, is there some sort of limit on the amount of modded content that you can have simultaneously?

I already found a tutorial for MO but I guess I'll look over this one as well just in case. 

[Frozy]

3 hours ago, Potato_Skill said:

    Hi, I'm using MO currently and all I can say is that MO is the superior mod organiser as long as you spend some time on it. MO provides you w/ lots of control over your mods (which mod gets to overwrite which regardless of the installation order). Vortex is very Nexus friendly. Really, you just hit the "download with Vortex"  and it'll install the mod and activate it for you which also makes it easy to pick up for new users.

    Your question regarding SSE or Classic Skyrim. Here's my two cents. SSE is more stable with it's 64 bit application as it now utilises your system resources better so it's a better choice for long term (The Elder Scrolls VI still seems to be in a distant future). One thing to keep in mind is that Bethesda still updates SSE w/ Creation Club every so often, which means that it will likely break SKSE64, which sucks ... a lot.

Yeah, MO looks complicated at first but I assume you get used to it with some practice. I am already familiar with installing mods manually so not having the one-click install shouldn't be a big deal.

I did see some modders say that they will be working only on SE in the future, and it kinda makes sense that a more modern game would be more stable. I guess I'll go over my current mods to see if at least the most important ones have a SE version before making a decision.

[jaeos]

4 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Err, a bit wrong there.

unless you are packing exabytes of memory no, you don't run out of memory. 32 bit memory (LE) limits you to just under 4gig TOTAL available memory out of the box. 64 bit limits you to 18 exabytes out of the box. Yes some extenders for LE make it access more memory, but that's like putting a turbo on a model T. SE was redone in the basic programming to allow it to access as much ram as you allow it (funny considering they didn't fix any of the bugs) , be it 8 gig, 16, 32, or 64 or 128 gig. In that respect SE is just more stable. It doesn't have as many mods but neither did LE just a couple of years after release compared to morrowind. 

@Frozyall this just means that if you're running a 64 bit program (se) you can run far more non esp mods than you can with a 32 bit program LE. non esp is usually things like textures and sounds. you are still limited on 255 esp flags but there are ways around that. 

As far as creation club and updating, go into your steam and shut off updating for skyrim. as long as you never launch from steam again and you make sure steam is running before you click nmm,vortex, or MO2, no troubles.

@Grey CloudI'm curious as to how i'm wrong rather than just a YER WRONG post... 

[Grey Cloud]

16 minutes ago, jaeos said:

unless you are packing exabytes of memory no, you don't run out of memory.

You are correct. My mistake not taking notice of the 'technically'.

[jaeos]

1 minute ago, Grey Cloud said:

You are correct. My mistake not taking notice of the 'technically'.

but i am curious on how se can run out of memory compared to.. dammit.. you took the wind out of me sails.... i'm actually wanting to find out what you were thinking when you posted i was a little wrong.. Yep i want a conversation about it...

[jaeos]

1 hour ago, Frozy said:

Yeah, MO looks complicated at first but I assume you get used to it with some practice. I am already familiar with installing mods manually so not having the one-click install shouldn't be a big deal.

I did see some modders say that they will be working only on SE in the future, and it kinda makes sense that a more modern game would be more stable. I guess I'll go over my current mods to see if at least the most important ones have a SE version before making a decision.

check this list

conversion thread

and for a well looking skyrim you can follow this it will not have everything you currently have and quite a bit more in the looks department. (lots of 2k and 4k textures)

modding list

[Grey Cloud]

19 minutes ago, jaeos said:

but i am curious on how se can run out of memory compared to.. dammit.. you took the wind out of me sails.... i'm actually wanting to find out what you were thinking when you posted i was a little wrong.. Yep i want a conversation about it...

I was just thinking more in terms of bad configuration (ini files?). And as Psalam has pointed out, the SE tech support thread is alive and kicking.

[jaeos]

27 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

I was just thinking more in terms of bad configuration (ini files?). And as Psalam has pointed out, the SE tech support thread is alive and kicking.

I think most of them are people who are new and as you have stated don't read the mod requirements or add mods that don't like each other. So then people such as yourself try to diagnose a problem that could have been avoided if they slowed down and took it a to b to c rather than c to z to a.

[Grey Cloud]

15 minutes ago, jaeos said:

I think most of them are people who are new and as you have stated don't read the mod requirements or add mods that don't like each other. So then people such as yourself try to diagnose a problem that could have been avoided if they slowed down and took it a to b to c rather than c to z to a.

It's the dangly bits. Once they see them it is game-over in the thinking department. ?

[Frozy]

2 hours ago, jaeos said:

unless you are packing exabytes of memory no, you don't run out of memory. 32 bit memory (LE) limits you to just under 4gig TOTAL available memory out of the box. 64 bit limits you to 18 exabytes out of the box. Yes some extenders for LE make it access more memory, but that's like putting a turbo on a model T. SE was redone in the basic programming to allow it to access as much ram as you allow it (funny considering they didn't fix any of the bugs) , be it 8 gig, 16, 32, or 64 or 128 gig. In that respect SE is just more stable. It doesn't have as many mods but neither did LE just a couple of years after release compared to morrowind. 

@Frozyall this just means that if you're running a 64 bit program (se) you can run far more non esp mods than you can with a 32 bit program LE. non esp is usually things like textures and sounds. you are still limited on 255 esp flags but there are ways around that. 

As far as creation club and updating, go into your steam and shut off updating for skyrim. as long as you never launch from steam again and you make sure steam is running before you click nmm,vortex, or MO2, no troubles.

@Grey CloudI'm curious as to how i'm wrong rather than just a YER WRONG post... 

Well a lot of mods have textures so I guess that's pretty useful.

OK I'll disable updates then, those mods are bad anyway compared to Nexus and Loversalab.

[Frozy]

2 hours ago, jaeos said:

check this list

conversion thread

and for a well looking skyrim you can follow this it will not have everything you currently have and quite a bit more in the looks department. (lots of 2k and 4k textures)

modding list

Thanks, I will look into it. If I understand correctly the goal of the conversion thread is to "convert" an existing old skyrim save and then continue to play with it in SE? I don't think I wanna do that, sounds way too complicated. I'd rather start with a brand new save in SE.

 

The second thread is very useful, I guess what I'll do is that I will install SE and MO, copy this list, delete the optional mods that I don't want, look for every single SE mod that I want and that is not in the list already, insert those mods  in their appropriate categories, post this new list somewhere in the forum so that people can check if there's anythyng wrong, and then I just have to install the mods in the order of the list with MO, open the game and everything will work perfectly. Sounds easy on paper...

 

[Grey Cloud]

13 minutes ago, Frozy said:

If I understand correctly the goal of the conversion thread is to "convert" an existing old skyrim save and then continue to play with it in SE?

No, it is about keeping track of which mods have been converted to work in SE and any issues which arise from this.

[Frozy]

13 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

No, it is about keeping track of which mods have been converted to work in SE and any issues which arise from this.

My bad. I'll try to pay atteintion to that while choosing my mods then.

[Grey Cloud]

9 minutes ago, Frozy said:

My bad. I'll try to pay atteintion to that while choosing my mods then.

No worries. It looks a really good resource and it would be a shame if you missed out on it through a misunderstanding.

[jaeos]

4 hours ago, Frozy said:

Thanks, I will look into it. If I understand correctly the goal of the conversion thread is to "convert" an existing old skyrim save and then continue to play with it in SE? I don't think I wanna do that, sounds way too complicated. I'd rather start with a brand new save in SE.

 

The second thread is very useful, I guess what I'll do is that I will install SE and MO, copy this list, delete the optional mods that I don't want, look for every single SE mod that I want and that is not in the list already, insert those mods  in their appropriate categories, post this new list somewhere in the forum so that people can check if there's anythyng wrong, and then I just have to install the mods in the order of the list with MO, open the game and everything will work perfectly. Sounds easy on paper...

 

as the second thread states. do not use LOOT to sort them, they are already presorted i have maybe half to 3/4 of the mods on that list and several that are not simply because of things like deadly drain is stable (mostly) but that mostly thing is what kills it. i also use a couple of different race mods (2 are by trykz) and a few clothing mods (sun jeong) that are not on the list. as long as you take your time and think about what mods you have and want then its easier than just loading a ton of mods and flipping a switch (new games takes me about 30 minutes for all the mods to load hence live another life being one that is needed) here is my complete load order (according to LOOT).

Spoiler

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 16 10     daymoyl.esm
254 FE   2 STFU - guards.esl
254 FE   3 STFU.esl
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 19 13     Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
 20 14     Devious Devices - Integration.esm
 21 15     SexLabAroused.esm
 22 16     CreatureFramework.esm
 23 17     BadDogSchlongCore.esm
 24 18     SexLab Attraction.esm
 25 19     ZaZAnimationPack.esm
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 35 23     SRG Enhanced Trees Activator.esp
 36 24     Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.esp
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 41 29     Cathedral Water Overhaul.esp
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 50 32     RaceMenuHH.esp
 51 33     GTFO My Room.esp
 52 34     UnreadBooksGlow.esp
 53 35     Joy of Perspective.esp
 54 36     UIExtensions.esp
 55 37     SkyHUD.esp
 56 38     AIMFIX.esp
 57 39     Cutting Room Floor.esp
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 59 3b     Better Dynamic Snow.esp
 60 3c     BetterDynamicSnow_PATCH.esp
 61 3d     Better Dynamic Ash.esp
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 63 3f     fallentreebridgesSSE.esp
 64 40     Moss Rocks.esp
 65 41     ASLCU-WhiterunStores.esp
 66 42     Bells of Skyrim - JKs Skyrim Patch.esp
 67 43     Bells of Skyrim - Reduced Volume.esp
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 69 45     JKs Skyrim.esp
 70 46     JKs Whiterun.esp
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254 FE   6 ESO Skyshards - BSBruma.esp
 72 48     Skyshards.esp
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254 FE   8 BS_Campfire.esp
254 FE   9 BSHeartland - Unofficial Patch.esp
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 82 52     RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Unsorted.esp
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 84 54     ZaForswornStory.esp
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 97 61     Realistic Haircolors.esp
 98 62     Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
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100 64     SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
101 65     SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
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104 68     The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
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118 76     ScopedBows_ArrowTweaks.esp
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254 FE   b ScopedBows_MLU Patch.esp
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149 95     AMatterOfTime.esp
150 96     Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
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162 a2     Ordinator - Beyond Skyrim Bruma Patch.esp
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164 a4     RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
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166 a6     SkyrimReputation_SSE.esp
167 a7     DawnguardVampireAttackFix.esp
168 a8     TrainAndStudy.esp
169 a9     VioLens SE.esp
170 aa     WetandCold.esp
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254 FE   d YOT - Cutting Room Floor.esp
           YOT - Imperious.esp
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254 FE   f YOT - Wildcat.esp
254 FE  10 YOT - Your Own Thoughts.esp
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254 FE  11 HeavyLegion - Cloaks of Skyrim Patch.esp
254 FE  12 HeavyLegion - Men of Winter Patch.esp
           HeavyLegion - WACCF Patch.esp
254 FE  13 HeavyLegion - WICO Patch.esp
174 ae     LakeviewBardReplacerLynnSE.esp
175 af     RSChildren Patch - BS Bruma.esp
176 b0     RSChildren.esp
177 b1     My Home Is Your Home.esp
178 b2     PAN_NPCs.esp
179 b3     PAN_NPCs_DG.esp
254 FE  14 PAN_NPCs_DG_MLU_Patch.esp
180 b4     CiceroFemaleSE.esp
181 b5     Valerica.esp
182 b6     UD_Serana.esp
183 b7     SineadFollower.esp
184 b8     BW Lydia.esp
185 b9     Aesthetic Elisif.esp
186 ba     Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp
187 bb     EWS.esp
188 bc     Realistic-Voice.esp
189 bd     RealisticHuskySoundsSSE.esp
190 be     Serana Dialogue Edit.esp
191 bf     iLuvLoading.esp
192 c0     Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
254 FE  15 Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Obsidian Weathers Patch.esp
193 c1     Audio Overhaul Skyrim - True Storms Patch.esp
194 c2     Obsidian Weathers.esp
195 c3     TrueStormsSE.esp
196 c4     True Storms - Obsidian Weathers - Patch .esp
197 c5     Obsidian_TS_AOS_Patch.esp
198 c6     Obsidian_TS_Patch_Spectral.esp
199 c7     Obsidian_TS_Patch_Spectral_WaterFix.esp
200 c8     Luminosity Lighting Overhaul.esp
254 FE  16 maplightfix.esp
254 FE  17 Smoking Torches And Candles.esp
201 c9     mintylightningmod.esp
202 ca     TrueStorms_MintyLightning_Patch.esp
203 cb     NightEyeENBFix.esp
204 cc     SLAnimLoader.esp
205 cd     SexLabDefeat.esp
206 ce     SexLab_Dialogues.esp
207 cf     SexLab Inflation Framework.esp
208 d0     BDHoodieFemale.esp
209 d1     BDHoodieSchlong.esp
210 d2     BDLoincloth.esp
211 d3     MMGSchlong.esp
212 d4     RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp
213 d5     MoreNastyCritters.esp
214 d6     SexLab More Creatures.esp
215 d7     SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp
216 d8     HagravenSkinShaders.esp
217 d9     EstrusChaurus.esp
218 da     EstrusSpider.esp
219 db     EstrusDwemer.esp
220 dc     SexLab-Parasites.esp
221 dd     AnimatedParasites.esp
222 de     SexLab Eager NPCs.esp
223 df     NoNakedComments.esp
254 FE  18 ABMM.esp
224 e0     SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
225 e1     SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp
226 e2     SexLabRandomSex.esp
227 e3     SexLabMatchMaker.esp
228 e4     SlaveTats.esp
229 e5     HornyCreatures.esp
230 e6     SexLabHorribleHarassment.esp
254 FE  19 SexlabLightMeUp.esp
231 e7     SexlabAmmoUnequip.esp
232 e8     SL Deadly Drain.esp
233 e9     Bondage Furniture World.esp
234 ea     SLSO.esp
235 eb     Apropos2.esp
236 ec     HiredThugsFix.esp
237 ed     Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
238 ee     CRF_RSChildrenPatch.esp
254 FE  1a Qw_BeyondSkyrimBruma_USSEP Hotfix Patch.esp
254 FE  1b Qw_BookCoversSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp
254 FE  1c Qw_CloaksOfSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp
254 FE  1d Qw_Luminosity_CRF Patch.esp
254 FE  1e Qw_Ordinator_AOS Patch.esp
254 FE  1f Qw_PANNPCs_CRF Patch.esp
254 FE  20 Qw_S3DLandscapes_CRF Patch.esp
239 ef     WetandCold - Fur Hoods Fix.esp
240 f0     Obsidian_TS_Wet&Cold_Patch.esp
241 f1     RSC Blackthorn Patch.esp
242 f2     RSC CRF Patch.esp
243 f3     DynDOLOD.esp
244 f4     [SunJeong] Lovers Lab Collection 3-0.esp
245 f5     [SunJeong] Ninirim Collection.esp
246 f6     StrangeRunes.esp
247 f7     IHRAlessaFollower.esp
248 f8     DGPlayerIsVampire.esp
249 f9     DoC Race - Add-on.esp
 

NOTE: this is just the plugin side, (right side) of MO2 ^^

This is the full mod list (note it is upside down. Last mod (or separator in my case) is at the top. in my load order it is "mod" 440

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# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
-DEAD MODS_separator
+DynDOLOD Output
+Dyndolod textures
+DynDOLOD-DLL-SE
+Fnis-output
+SKSE Scripts
+BodySlide-outfits
+RS Children Patch Compendium
+Strange Runes - Spellcasting Enhanced
+True Storms - Wet and Cold Compatibility
+Wet and Cold - Fur Hoods Fix
+QUASIPC - Qwinn's Unified Automated Self Installing Patch Compendium
+FemaleCicero fixedlipsync
+Celestial Auriel's Bow
+HDT-SMP Lurker animation fix
+RS Children Cutting Room Floor Patch
+Alternate Start - Live Another Life
+Hired Thugs Fixed SSE
+Path to Volkihar--Vampires Can Skip Fort Dawnguard
-Final_separator
+PSQ
+Apropos2SystemConfig
+Apropos2
+SLSO Estrus Chaurus+ v4.346 PATCH
+SexLab Separate Orgasm SE
+Simple Slavery
+BondageFurnitureWorld1
+Insane Cum Retexture SSE 1.0
+SL Deadly Drain 1.7
+SexlabAmmoUnequip
+TailsFix
+Supreme Chaurus Hunters
+Sexlab LightMeUp 2.6.1
+Sexlab Horrible Harassment Expansion SE V2.83 - English
+HornyCreaturesofSkyrim V1 08ASE
+SlaveTats
+Death Alternative - Your Money or Your Life
+SexLabMatchMaker
+SexLabRandomSexSE
+ZAZ CBBE HDT SE
+SLAL Animations by Leito v1.6
+Billyy's SLAL Animations 1.8
+Arousal Based MatchMaker 1.3.7
+No Naked Comments SE 1
+SexLab EagerNPCSE
+SexLab Attraction SE
+AnimatedParasites SE 0
+Sexlab Parasites SE April 2019
+Estrus-Chaurus-Dwemer-Addon v4.342
+Estrus-Chaurus-Spider-Addon v4.342
+Estrus Chaurus V4.34SE
+Estrus Alternate Sounds
+Realistic Skin Shaders - Falmer and Hagravens
+SexLab Aroused Creatures SE
+Horse fix for MNC SE
+Texture Canine MNC
+SexLab More Creatures SE
+MoreNastyCritters v11 4CSE
+BadDogHoodiesSSE V08 00 04
+Creature Framework SE
+SexLab Inflation Framework
+SexLabArousedSSELoose
+SexLab Dialogues SE
+Sexlab Defeat
+SLAL SE
+Devious Devices
+PapyrusUtil SE - Modders Scripting Utility Functions
+SexLabFrameworkSE
-SLOOT_separator
+NightEyeENBFix
+True Storms - Minty's Lightning Compatibility
+Lightning During Storms Sse (Minty lightning)
+HD Candle Flames
+R.A.S.S. - Visual Effects - Rain And Snow Shaders
+Medieval Candlehorns and Sconces
+DimmerFog 2.0
+Smoking Torches and Candles SSE
+Horncandles.by.Kajuan
+Rudy HQ - More Lights for ENB SE - Soul Gems
+Ultimate HD Fire Effects SSE
+Luminosity Lighting Overhaul - The Cathedral Concept
+Obsidian Weathers - True Storms Patch
+Patch - True Storms 1.02
+True Storms Special Edition
+Obsidian Weathers
-WEATHER and LIGHTING_separator
+Enhanced Draugr FX
+Skeletons of Daggerfall
+Audio Overhaul for Skyrim SE-Patches
+iLuvLoading SSE
+Shut The F--- Up
+SeranaDialogEdit v
+Realistic Husky Sounds SSE
+Realistic Conversations
+Enhanced Waterfall Sounds - EWS
+Audio Overhaul for Skyrim SE
-AUDIO_separator
+Aesthetic Elisif
+Lydia Private Version
+Succubus Alessa SSE b3
+Sinead Follower SSE
+Queen of the Damned 2
+The Eyes Of Beauty SSE
+Valerica SSE v1.7.2
+Vampire Facial Reclamation SSE
+Serana no ESP
+Cicero Female SE
+Pandorable's NPCs - Dawnguard
+Pandorable's NPCs
+RS Children Overhaul
+Lakeview Manor Bard Replacer Lynette
+Heavy Leagion Patches
+The Men of Winter
+Better Looking Vampires
+My Home is Your Home (MHiYH 2plus) SSE - v3.1.1
-NPC_separator
+HDT Werewolf SSE v2
+YOT - Your Own Thoughts SE
+Wet and Cold
+VioLens - A Killmove Mod SE
+Train and Study 1.0 SSE
+Skyrim Reputation SEE v.1.2 with MCM
+Dawnguard Vampire Attack Fix
+Skyrim Reputation
+Relationship Dialogue Overhaul - RDO Final
+Ordinator Beyond Skryim Bruma Patch
+Ordinator
+No BS AI Projectile Dodge (Magic and Arrows) - Immersive Projectiles Nondetection of Enemies
-Multiple Floors Sandboxing
+Gildergreen Regrown
+Timing is Everything SE
+Dawnguard as a vampire
+MorrowLoot Ultimate
+Mannequins Stay Put
-Mannequins test esp
+MannequinChicks1
+Glorious Dwarven Metal
+Enhanced Blood Textures
+Civil War Neutrality SSE
+Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim
+A Matter of Time - A HUD clock widget
-Overides_separator
+Smelting Plus (SSE v2.0.1)
+[Alpha] BDOR Pack by TeamTAL v1.6 SE
+Mara's Thief Armor - TMB TMBE CBBE BodySlide
+DX Celes Nightingale Outfit and Weapons
+WIC Cloaks SSE
+Cloaks of Skyrim SSE
+Leather Backpack - Special Edition - Rerelease v1.0
+Community Overlays 1 (0-30) Bodypaints Warpaints Tattoos and more made for the Community (Special Edition)
+UNP AND CBBE Racemenu SE Collection of Tattoos Warpaints and Overlays
+Piercings for CBBE SSE
+Light Refracting Glass mod's optionals
+Light Refracting Glass Armors and Weapons
+Ancient Draugr
-Merta Black Rose CBBE SE (Physics)
+Animated Dragon WingsSE
+Vampire Dark Knight - SSE CBBE BodySlide
-Ashara Paragon Jewelry
+Vampire hunter chain cuirass 1 58 CBBE 7z
+Remodeled Armor for CBBE SSE
+Realistic HD Woodcutter's Axe Remastered - Patches
+Real Bound Bow
+Real Bows (by DecimusMaximus for SSE)
-BillyRo Ultimate Swords Anthology
+CBBE Toe Rings - SSE
+No More Fork-Like Dragonbone Arrows
+Falmer Arrows Revamped Texture 4k - 2k
+Pickaxe Redone SSE
+Realistic HD Woodcutter's Axe Remastered
+Aradia Lingerie Dress SSE
+Serana's Hood Fix
+Real Moonstone Elven Armor and Weapons
+Truly Light Elven Armor (female) for SSE - Replacer - Standalone
-Witcher 2 Steel Plate Armour Replacer
+Peacekeeper Armour CBBE SE
+RUSTIC CLOTHING - Special Edition
+RUSTIC ARMOR and WEAPONS SE
+Remiros' Ancient Falmer Armor HD
+Vanilla Weapon Replacer SSE
+Left Hand Rings Modified SE
+JS Armored Circlets SE
+HN66's Earrings - Special Edition
+Heavy Legion SSE
+ElSopa HD - Bonehawk Amulet SE
+Guards Armor Replacer
+Gemling Queen Jewelry SE
+Frankly HD Dawnguard Armor and Weapons
+Enhanced Circlets
-Classic Morrowind Morag Tong armor replacer SSE
+Scoped Bows SE 1.3.1 Elemental Arrows Patch
+Scoped Bows Compatibility Kit - SBCK
+Scoped Bows SE 1.3.1
+Simple Hauberk - Early-Middleages Helmets pack SSE
+CBBE Armour and Clothing Conversions for Beyond Skyrim - Bruma
+Beautiful Amulets and Rings
+[SunJeong] Ninirim Collection
+[SUNJEONG] LOVERS LAB COLLECTION
-Armor and Weapons_separator
+To Your Face SE
+FNIS Spells SE 7.0
+FNIS Sexy Move SE 7.2
+FNIS PCEA2 7.2
+FNIS Creature Pack SE 7.0
+FNIS Behavior SE
+XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended
+hdtSSEPhysics 1 5 80
+hdtSSEFramework 1 5 80
+SINful CBP
+CBPC - CBP Physics with Collisions
+CBBE SMP Config
+Feminine Jarl Sitting Animation SE
+mcgFemaleWalk for Skyrim SE
+Realistic Ragdolls and Force
-Physics and Animation_separator
+WispMotherBS
+Troll.by.Kajuan
+Skeleton.and.Human.Bones.by.Kajuan
+SABRECAT.by.Kajuan
+RUSTIC SPRIGGAN - Special Edition
+RUSTIC FROSTBITE SPIDER - Special Edition
+RUSTIC DAEDRA - Special Edition
+Realistic Skin And Hair Shaders - Giants
+Mammoth.by.Kajuan
+Highlandcow HD by Pfuscher
+ElSopa HD - Strider And Netches SE
+HD Pondfish
+Hagraven.by.Kajuan
+GOAT HD by Pfuscher
+Giant.by.Kajuan
+Female Dremora (Special Edition)
+Falmer.by.Kajuan
+Draugr.by.Kajuan
+Dragon.Priest.by.Kajuan
-Dawnguard Sentries SE
+Dawnguard Rewritten - Arvak
+CC's HQ Dwemer Automatons - 2K - 1.1
+Black Face Fix - Volkihar Keep NPCs
+Birds And Flocks SSE Edition
+Bellyaches Animal and Creature Pack
-NPC and Critters_separator
+The Paarthurnax Dilemma
+Emeri's Presets All in One
-Python Suit 1.2
+Elemental Archery
+Player Size Adjuster and First Person Camera Height Fix SSE
+Skoli Presets
+Khinara Jade SE - RaceMenu Preset
+Daughter of Coldharbour
-Forest Nymphs
+Labia Exciter BodySlide SSE
-Merta Assasin Tats
-Natureborn Overlays and Spells SE - 4K
-Nymph Girls of Skyrim SE
+Tempered Skins for Males - SOS Full Version
+Schlongs of Skyrim SE
+Realistic Hair Colors
+Hvergelmir's Aesthetics - Beards
+ApachiiSkyHairMale v 1 2 Optimized
+ApachiiSkyHairFemale v 1 5 Optimized
+ApachiiSkyHair v 1 6 Full optimized
+KS Hairdo's Transparency Fix SSE
+KS Hairdos SSE
+RaceCompatibility with fixes for SSE
+Kyoe's Bang'n Brows
+ENB Brow Fix
+The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition
+The Eyes Of Beauty - Player
+Pretty Lips SSE
+Feminine Argonian Textures (Chameleon and Lizard) [CBBE]
+Natural Skin Tones
+Neisa Skin - CBBE Improved Labia and Anus
+Neisa Skin CBBE
+Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer -CBBE-
-Player_separator
+Skyrim 3D StoneWalls
+R's Farmhouse and Handcarts
+Skyrim 3D Rocks
+Skyrim 3D High Hrothgar Steps
+Skyrim 3D Furniture SMIM patch
+Skyrim 3D Furniture
+Skyrim 3D Cooking
+Skyrim 3D Blacksmith
+Embers HD
+Greytastic Mountains
+4K Traps
+Silky Spider Eggs SE
+Septim a coin retexture
+Realistic HD Ores Remastered
+Realistic HD Ingots Remastered
+Practice Dummies HD
+WEBS S.E
+White Water HD
+Skyland Watercolor
+Smooth Sky mesh - SSE
+ETHEREAL CLOUDS - Special Edition
+Dandelions - Realistic Dandelion Seeds - 4K-2k-1K
+Organic Riften Leaves
+Medieval Spirits
+Medieval Silverworks
+RIS - Blended Roads patch
+Windhelm HD
+Whiterun HD
+Soul Cairn HD 2k
+Solitude HD
+Snow Elf Ruins HD
+Sovngarde HD 2k
+Ships HD
+Riften Ratway HD
+Raven Rock HD
+Nordic Tent upgrade by Pfuscher
+Nordic Ruins UHD
+Markarth HD
+Fort Dawnguard HD
+Imperial Forts HD
+Farmhouse HD
+Dwemer Ruins HD
+College of Winterhold HD
+Clay Deposits HD
+Caves and Mines UHD HD
+Castle Volkihar HD 2k
+RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Special Edition
+RUSTIC FURNITURE - SPECIAL EDITION
+RUSTIC ELDERSCROLL - Special Edition
+RUSTIC CLUTTER COLLECTION - Special Edition
+RUSTIC AZURA'S STAR - Special Edition
+RUSTIC ANIMATED POTIONS and POISONS
+Rudy HQ - Nordic Ruins SE
+Rudy HQ - Miscellaneous SE
+Rudy HQ - Hay SE
+HD Vanilla Lanterns
+ElSopa HD - Unique Hand Made Signs Overhaul SE
+HD Reworked Baskets
+ElSopa HD - Realistic Dark Elf Urns SE
+Hanging Moss HD
+Fire and Frost Impact Decals HD
+Falmer Texture Overhaul
+Dustpiles HD
+ElSopa HD - Dirt Blast SE
+Comfy Dwemer Beds
+Clutter Textures Pack
+Book Covers Skyrim
+Beehives 4k 2k
-Textures_separator
+Landscape Fixes For Grass Mods
+JK's Skyrim and Dawn of Skyrim - Riften Patch
+JK's Skyrim - Dawn of Skyrim - Patch
+Imperial City LOD fix for custom lods (Beyond skyrim Bruma)
+Beyond Skyrim - Bruma - Joy of Perspective Patch
+Beyond Skyrim - Bruma - Tweaks Enhancements and Patches SSE
+Beyond Skyrim - Bruma Overhaul HD
-Area PATCHES_separator
-A Quality World Map - Classic with All Roads
+AFS 2
+From The Deeps
+Blackthorn - Hearthfire Fix
+Blackthorn - A Buildable Town in The Rift (SE)
+ESO Skyshards
+Lanterns of Skyrim SE
+Dawn of Skyrim (Director's Cut) SE
+JK's Whiterun
+JK's Skyrim
+Beyond Skyrim - Bruma SE main &PATCH
+Bells of Skyrim
-AREA Expansions_separator
+Whiterun Stores - A Simple Little Clean Up
+Grass Terrain Remade
+Moss Rocks
+Immersive Fallen Trees SSE
+Ice Cave Parallax Improved
+RIS - Real Ice and Snow
+Blended Roads
+Better Dynamic Ash SE
+Better Dynamic Snow - Patches
+Better Dynamic Snow
+Skyrim 3D Landscapes BILLBOARDS
+Skyrim 3D Landscapes
+Solstheim Landscape Overhaul HD
+Dawnguard Landscape Overhaul HD
+Landscape Overhaul HD
+Cutting Room Floor
-AREA_separator
+AIM FIX - combat camera with aiming control and exclusive crosshair fix
+SkyHUD
+UIExtensions
+The Joy of Perspective
+Unread Books Glow SSE 2.2.1
+GTFO My Room
+Colored Quest and Capital Map Markers for SkyUI 5.2 Option
+RaceMenu High Heels Fixes
+RaceMenu Special Edition
+moreHUD Inventory Edition
+moreHUD SE
+Wider MCM Menu for SkyUI
+SkyUI 5 2 SE
+Font Overhaul - Natural Typefaces for Skyrim -- FONTS
+BodySlide and Outfit Studio - v4.7.0
-UI_separator
+MfgFix
+AddItemMenuSSE
+Fuz Ro D-oh - Silent Voice
+Dynamic Equipment Manager SSE
+Lockpick Pro
+Player Blink Fix
+Better Jumping SE
+Yes Im Sure
+Stay At The System Page - Updated
+SSE Engine Fixes (skse64 plugin)
+powerofthree's Papyrus Extender for SSE
+JContainers SE
+ENB Helper SE
+skse64 scripts
-SKSE Extensions_separator
+Wildcat
+Hearthfire Multiple Adoptions and Custom Home Support SE
+Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch
+Cathedral Water Overhaul - Includes Water Edge Bug Fix
+Enhanced Landscapes
+Less Ugly Tundragrass
+Verdant 1.6c short grass for SE
+Grass Addon for Veydosebrom Verdant and others
+HD LODs Textures SE
+SRG Enhanced Trees Activator
+Enhanced Vanilla Trees - Billboards
+Enhanced Vanilla Trees
+Reach Tree Replacer SSE - DynDoLOD Ultra Tree Lod
+Reach Tree Replacer - Billboards
+Reach Tree Replacer SSE
+DynDOLOD Resources SE
+Verdant - Altered Snow Grass
+Verdant - Altered Forest Grass
+Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin
+High Poly Project
+A. Noble Skyrim - FULL PACK 2K
+Static Mesh Improvement Mod
+Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB
-Foundation_separator
+DLC-Cleaned
*DLC: Dawnguard
*DLC: Dragonborn
*DLC: HearthFires
 

this is my full mod list 

[jaeos]

6 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

It's the dangly bits. Once they see them it is game-over in the thinking department. ?

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[jaeos]

5 hours ago, Frozy said:

Well a lot of mods have textures so I guess that's pretty useful.

OK I'll disable updates then, those mods are bad anyway compared to Nexus and Loversalab.

There is a tutorial on how to grab CK mods into MO2 and never update them again since the skyrim CK (as far as i know) is still free. simply put you open the CK and pick the mod {while running it through MO2} let the CK download it. MO2 puts it into the overwrite folder. exit skyrim and your overwrite folder has new stuff in it, right click overwrite >create mod> name it what the mod is and boom. open skyrim back up, go back into the CK and unsub the original mod, then it no longer tries to keep that mod updated, and you have a nice new mod. unfortunately that means the mod author doesn't get the sub from it.