TBBP: Crushed Breast Problem FIXED [Update Jan 28]

[LaEspada]

Well I fixed my crushed breasts issue by installing xp32 compatibility skeleton/then the butt fix for it. Then installing skeleton_female.hkx from dragonfly's main file. Tada crushed breast fix. At least for me

 

I also put skulltryants perfect 3-2 TBBP skeleton on also.

[substray]

Well I fixed my crushed breasts issue by installing xp32 compatibility skeleton/then the butt fix for it. Then installing skeleton_female.hkx from dragonfly's main file. Tada crushed breast fix. At least for me

 

I also put skulltryants perfect 3-2 TBBP skeleton on also.

 

You basically have nothing left of XPMS... except maybe the male skeleton.

 

Let me run down some quick steps on what has worked for me with either CBBE or UNP/UNPB -

 

1. Uninstall EVERY body replacer and skeleton replacer you have installed including BBP' date=' TBBP, etc. via NMM (I've never tried other mod managers) and make sure your meshes/actors/character directory is clean.

 

2. Install CBBE or UNP base.

 

3. Install TBBP main file 1.01. Overwrite everything.

 

4. Install Skulltyrant TBBP skeleton. Make sure it's TBBP. Overwrite everything.

 

5. For UNPB - install one of MrTroubleMaker's bodies. Overwrite everything.

 

[b']--OR--[/b]

 

5. Install Bodyslide CB++* or Bodyslide++ UNP and slide yourself a TBBP body. Overwrite everything... Bodyslide should overwrite everything by default, unless your registry is hosed.

 

*I think you still need the Bodyslide files from Dragonfly's post.

 

6. Profit.

 

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- ADEC should work in the same position as CBBE/UNP.

- Nowhere in this list do you see XPMS, if you installed it you're doing it wrong.

- If you're wearing UNPB-BBP armor I know a lot of it expects a first person skeleton. If you're CTD you can add in the UNPB-BBP pack before TBBP and it should work, as long as you overwrite everything.

[Spideyknight]

You guys know that xpms requires Realistic Ragdolls right? And you are checking the gender specific box in FNIS? For the life of me I have no idea why this is so hard for people. Realistic Ragdolls-> TBBP-> XPMS-> patch for old rig -> Install whatever skin mod you want. Run FNIS, congrats on success.

[cefwyn]

I really can't understand how people are getting this issue. I use TBBP and I use XPMS but have never seen this problem except when I accidentally replaced the HKX file with one from another mod. I don't even use the old rig patch, but as Spideyknight said you need Realistic Ragdolls and FNIS settings correct. I think some of the issue is also that some of the BPP animations are really "messy." For instance I'm currently using a BPP idle animation to test my rig in Blender which is either the one that comes with TBBP or one by NonokuraSan on SkyrimNexus (I've installed so many animations from different sources it's hard to keep up), but it makes quite a few pose changes to quite a few bones that it shouldn't or which make no sense, so when combined with other animations it's bound to do weird things especially when the ragdoll engine kicks in.

[substray]

You guys know that xpms requires Realistic Ragdolls right? And you are checking the gender specific box in FNIS? For the life of me I have no idea why this is so hard for people. Realistic Ragdolls-> TBBP-> XPMS-> patch for old rig -> Install whatever skin mod you want. Run FNIS' date=' congrats on success.

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Gender specific only applies to animations that aren't gender specific to begin with... In this case its irrelevant considering the 17-18 TBBP animations are already female specific. You don't actually need FNIS at all for core TBBP functionality.

 

Realistic Ragdoll doesn't make a difference, nor is it in any way necessary for TBBP. XPMS is crushing no matter what people do. And more pertinently, once you start swapping out the skeleton_female.xxx files you're overwriting XPMS.

 

For now, unless you are using XPMS specific animations or something that actually needs the hair/cape/wing bones your options are to deal with the crush or switch skeletons. So... yeah.

[iron420]

Hey Guys!

 

I finally, after weeks of attempts, got this to work! This was how I did it:

 

1. Calientes Female Body Mod Big Bottom Edition -CBBE- (via NMM)

2. Calientes BodySlide v1-4-0 (Manual install, optional file from CBBE nexus page)

3. Bodyslide - 15 extra sliders for CBBE (Manual install)

4. HighRes 4K CBBE Nude Female Re-Texture Mod (via NMM)

5. CBBE V3-V2 - CHSBHC - UNP - Female Argonian Khajiit Texture - 4096 (via NMM)

6. Sporty Sexy Map - Athletic muscle mod CBBE UNP UNPB ADEC (3rd optional only - Sporty Gloss for CBBE) (via NMM)

7. CB++Body v0.9.3 (Manual install)

8. Bodyslide++ (Manual install)

9. Calientes Vanilla Outfits for CBBE - Calientes Vanilla Armor --  Combined Pack v2-1-0 (via NMM)

10. Remodeled Armor for CBBEv3 Bodyslide and BBP (via NMM) <-- [that is the mak vanilla replacer]

11. CB++ Outfits v0.5.8 (Manual install)

12. CB++ Outfits v0.5.9 update (Manual install)

13. CB++ Footwear (Feet, Boots and Shoes, and a few Gauntlets) v0.4.1 (Manual install) 

14. CBBE Amulets v0.2 - Amulet support for CBBE bodies (Manual install)

15. CB++ Amulets v0.2.2 - Amulet support for CB++ Body v0.9.3 --- Last update (BreastHeight) 2013-01-13 (Manual install)

16. Custom Skeleton Replacers - TBBP Basic Pack 1 1HD (TBBP Basic Pack 1 1HD) (Via NMM)

17. TBBP_main_file v.1.01 (Manual install)

18. dragonfly's bodyslide (Manual install)

 

Then, you need to open Bodyslide++ and adjust the sliders to your liking. Save the preset to the desktop using the save preset button and copy the contents into Data\CalienteTools\BodySlide\SliderPresets\CB++Presets.xml under 1 of the headings (I chose "Big"). Here is mine you can use as an example:

 

 

After that, modify your Data\CalienteTools\BodySlide\SliderGroups\CB++Groups_Outfits.xml file to look like the following:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then, load up bodyslide ++ again. Select CB++ bodies for the group filter, CB++ body TBBP for the sliderset and (for me it was big) whatever your overwritten preset was for the Preset. Preview to make sure its what you want. Click Build This Body, then ok. Now select CB++ Outfits - Mak Vanilla Replacer as your slider group, You can pick any armour for the slider set but I like Steel (Heavy) because it shows you all the available sliders and select your preset again (in my case, big). Preview, then click the batch build groups button. You can then select all the following groups (but I like to do them 1 at a time) and click ok:

 

CB++ Outfits

CBBE amulets

CB++ Footware Mak - Vanilla Replacer

CB++ footware - Outfits

CB++ footware - Caliente's Vanilla

CB++ Amulets

 

Once you have done all of that successfully. Start the game (or continue modding) and Enjoy!

 

Note: Realistic Ragdolls is not Required nor is FINS or anything else that is not in the above list. Also, XP32s Skeleton will have crushed breasts if you use it and there is nothing you can do about that (trust me).

[SerpentWave]

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You can only chose TBBP skeleton or XPMS' date=' not either. TBBP doesnt compatible with XPMS, so i'm waiting skulltyrant to fix this.

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Thank You for clearing that up. That resolves an interesting FNIS error lol

 

Note: Realistic Ragdolls is not Required nor is FINS or anything else that is not in the above list. Also' date=' XP32s Skeleton will have crushed breasts if you use it and there is nothing you can do about that (trust me).

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Will that offer any benefit to TBBP other than its intended purpose?

[Monsto Brukes]

ACDale has posted v2.4 of ADEC body which fixes the crush breast issue.

 

It has a lightly modded skeleton based on Skulltyrant's skeleton. It fixed the tbbp crush breast problem for both he and I and another steam friend of mine. The only consistent caveat is that it can cause 'saddle-sink' when you ride a horse. If that isn't fix enough, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

But since the point of TBBP is jugginess, and it fixes jugginess problems, and there's more dead juggs (iew) than there is horse riding, I figure that it should be called "a fix". (ACDale is a little more conservative about it. =)

 

If you've never used ADEC body, it's a great time to take it for a spin. Just install it and play! Don't forget the armor packs listed on the ADEC nexus page.

 

If you want to use a body other than ADEC (treachery!):

 

Using NMM

1) install tbbp

2) install adec 2.4 (should overwrite all tbbp body and skeletons but not animations which are the important part)

3) install the tbbp compatible body of your choice, without overwriting the skeleton_female.hkx (if someone wants to detail this specifically, i'll chg this post)

 

Just about any problem at this point would come from overwrites not being performed in the right order. The easiest fix would be to remove all these mods (not all your mods, just the ones listed here) and start over making sure they're installed in the right order and carefully stepping thru the overwrites.

 

If you use Mod Organizer linked in my sig:

In any order

1) install tbbp

2) manually install adec 2.4 allowing only the skeleton

(skyrim/data/meshes/actors/character/character assets female/skeleton_female.hkx)

3) install the tbbp compatible body of your choice.

 

then set your load order, top to bottom:

1) tbbp

2) the tbbp compatible body of your choice

3) adec 2.4 skeleton

 

Install order is irrelevant and there are no overwrites to be careful of. Load order is the important part.

 

Let me know if I need to detail this. If you've used windows programs for any length of time, this shouldn't be hard to do. Don't forget: it keeps your skyrim dir clean as a whistle.

 

If you have any problems, be sure and give someone else a call. (= JK just post here. however. . . I wouldn't be surprised if someone has more races crush than before. It's a fucking fickle problem.

 

Now go enjoy the juggies.

[LaEspada]

Glad to see no more deflated breasts upon death.

Also you might wanna add that in FNIS, to fix the shield animation while moving, use the XP32 compability tick to fix the animation.

[tagalong]

Acdale has fixed tbbp with his/her body completely. I use cb++ bodyslide custom sliders. I have tried all kinds of methods. One fixes the breats, the other fixes the butt (what what), but not both. I am content with my gameplay for now, just hope acdale shares their fix with stuffed bunny so I can get it working at some point. I don't like unp or unpb, tried that with supposed fixes, and the only somewhat fix is without the tbbp effect (reverts back to bbp as far as I can tell).

[b00marrows]

i have been having issues with tbbp recently, i have no idea whats wrong...

instaling;

cbbe

tbbp main files

xp32 MS with "old rig" (allowing for overwriting .hkv files) results in deflated breasts on corpses.

 

installing;

cbbe

tbbp main files

xp32 MS with "old rig" fix (NOT allowing .hkv overwrite) results in inside out cliping breasts (like theres no bones for breasts atall)

 

i played around with other SkullTyrants skeletons instead of XP32 MS, nothing happened, in fact at 1 point i noticed a deflated ass too BUT ingame i have never been able to get the ass to jiggle anyway...

[Guest Vendayn]

I've tried XP32 skeleton, TBBP skeleton and part TBBP and part Skullrant's TBBP 3-2 skeleton. I even tried the XP32 butt fix.

 

I followed the guide, have FNIS used. And I am using a CBBE based race, and 2-3 months ago...I did the exact same things (or 99% the same), and it worked right out of the box.

 

My problem is, every time my character moves, her breasts and butt...no matter what skeleton I use...became caved in. Animation sorta works. Then when I stop moving, there is no animation and they pop back into place.

 

Anyone know what this may be caused by? No one seems to know, and I can't play Skyrim till its fixed xD 2-3 months ago it worked perfectly, then I got a new harddrive and this is all on a fresh install lol...but before it worked just fine, and I don't think I did anything differently.

 

I am using CB ++ Bodyslide, I chose the CB ++ TBBP body option in it. Maybe its the wrong option for a CBBE based race? But I used it before on the same race, and it worked just fine...

[Guest Vendayn]

I've tried XP32 skeleton, TBBP skeleton and part TBBP and part Skullrant's TBBP 3-2 skeleton. I even tried the XP32 butt fix.

 

I followed the guide, have FNIS used. And I am using a CBBE based race, and 2-3 months ago...I did the exact same things (or 99% the same), and it worked right out of the box.

 

My problem is, every time my character moves, her breasts and butt...no matter what skeleton I use...became caved in. Animation sorta works. Then when I stop moving, there is no animation and they pop back into place.

 

Anyone know what this may be caused by? No one seems to know, and I can't play Skyrim till its fixed xD 2-3 months ago it worked perfectly, then I got a new harddrive and this is all on a fresh install lol...but before it worked just fine, and I don't think I did anything differently.

 

I am using CB ++ Bodyslide, I chose the CB ++ TBBP body option in it. Maybe its the wrong option for a CBBE based race? But I used it before on the same race, and it worked just fine...

I used XP32 skeleton_female.hkx and it works a lot better.

 

Well

silly thing is. I didn't realize the custom race was using the default

skeleton_female.hkx and somehow that file got into its mod folder. I

accidentally copied it there xD. Turns out, I was replacing the wrong

one xD Now I feel like a noob, and I'm usually rather good at catching

those things xD

[Monsto Brukes]

 

I've tried XP32 skeleton, TBBP skeleton and part TBBP and part Skullrant's TBBP 3-2 skeleton. I even tried the XP32 butt fix.

 

I followed the guide, have FNIS used. And I am using a CBBE based race, and 2-3 months ago...I did the exact same things (or 99% the same), and it worked right out of the box.

 

My problem is, every time my character moves, her breasts and butt...no matter what skeleton I use...became caved in. Animation sorta works. Then when I stop moving, there is no animation and they pop back into place.

 

Anyone know what this may be caused by? No one seems to know, and I can't play Skyrim till its fixed xD 2-3 months ago it worked perfectly, then I got a new harddrive and this is all on a fresh install lol...but before it worked just fine, and I don't think I did anything differently.

 

I am using CB ++ Bodyslide, I chose the CB ++ TBBP body option in it. Maybe its the wrong option for a CBBE based race? But I used it before on the same race, and it worked just fine...

I used XP32 skeleton_female.hkx and it works a lot better.

 

Well

silly thing is. I didn't realize the custom race was using the default

skeleton_female.hkx and somehow that file got into its mod folder. I

accidentally copied it there xD. Turns out, I was replacing the wrong

one xD Now I feel like a noob, and I'm usually rather good at catching

those things xD

 

If you follow the steps in this post right here then all of your crush problems should be a thing of the past.

 

If not, try to post pics (steam screens allow hotlinks) and lets see if we can get you fixed up. Remember: follow the steps exactly. There's only like 4 so it should be relatively easy.

[Sunja44]

I have the crushed breast and crushed butt problem for naked female ragdolls/corpses too, although I deinstalled TBBP completely. It's definitely a problem with XP32 and it does not only appear for TBBP.

 

Short story: The reason I deinstalled TBBP, was that it won't make any sense for me, because my beloved female NPCs are my housecarls and they use opposite gender animations and those animations are baked into my saved games, no chance to alter that with whichever mod out there on Nexus. Without using the female animation path you won't see any TBBP effect or animations.

 

I went back to CHSBHC, but I kept Bodyslide++ and the loads of addons coming along. CHSBHC BBP works somehow for male animated females, at least you will watch some jiggling (UNBP BBP or TBBP effects are much better, but as it doesn't work for me, I have to guess I should be pleased). Formerly I only used the basic Bodyslide and I have to say I love the additional sliders of Bodyslide++. At least something I won as I experimentated with TBBP.

 

I deinstalled everything I formerly installed for TBBP and installed thereafter the following:

 

CHSBHC BBP (NMM)

CBBEv3.2 full install so the normal bodyslide too (NMM, override to all to get rid of the CHSBHC textures, so only the CHSBHC .hkx and skeleton.nif files remain)

Bodyslide CB++ Exe (NMM)

Bodyslide CB++Bodies (NMM)

Bodyslide CB++Amulets (NMM)

Bodyslide CB++Mak (NMM, I use Remodeled Armor Replacer Version, one of my favorite mods)

Tan Lines Fair Skin for CBBE (NMM, my favorite skin texture, override to all CBBE files)

Sporty Sexy Map for CBBE (NMM, override to all CBBE files)

Fair Skin Compexion Sweaty Body for CBBE (NMM, only the sweat map, ancient file under "miscellaneous", this sweat map still works for CBBEv3.2 and looks still better than Sporty Sexy Sweat for CBBE, override to all CBBE files)

XP32 skeleton

 

As CHSBHC comes along with skeleton.nif files and .hkx files this mod interferes with XP32 and the crushed breast/butt effect results in a decision what you will let XP32 override.

 

-First I let XP32 override all CHSBHC files. Then procedure as always, start Bodyslide++, chosing Group Filter: All Sets, Slider Group: CB++ MAK R Imperial Steel Bikini, save preset and batch it with all CB++ Mak Replacer groups and even CB++ Amulets.

 

-> crushed breasts and butts on naked female corpses.

 

 

-In the second attempt I let XP32 override the .hkx files, but not the skeleton.nif files

 

->no crushed breasts and butts on naked female corpses.

 

Before I changed to XP32 I used The Skeleton of Female Models perfect 3.2 and never got that crushed breast/butt problem. 

 

So its defintely a XP32 problem and it has to do with the delivered skeleton.nif files.

 

 

 

 

[sniperdoc]

You guys know that xpms requires Realistic Ragdolls right? And you are checking the gender specific box in FNIS? For the life of me I have no idea why this is so hard for people. Realistic Ragdolls-> TBBP-> XPMS-> patch for old rig -> Install whatever skin mod you want. Run FNIS, congrats on success.

Where in that path is the body type... ? *grin*

 

I = n00b... I use UNP Replacer Configuration Package and the XP32 Animation package (includes all his stuff)

 

So, if I would like to get TBBP working with this... how would I go about installing those?

 

I imagine:

1. Realistic Ragdolls
2. TBBP
3. UNP Replacer (choosing UNPB, whatever textures, 2.4 anims, XPMS skelly NO BBP)
4. XP32 Animation Package (including skelly for the male, so it doesn't error out FNIS)
5. patch for skelly

I was also curious about the animations. Is it possible to have the TBBP boob jiggle with the XP32 catwalk anim? I find that the TBBP walk animation itself is too... snake like? Its like the girl doesn't have a spine and shimmy's back and forth WAAAY to much.

 

Pretty much, I believe that a XP32 catwalk with the TBBP boob jiggle would be MINT! Like grade A perfect MINT!

[AvatarSteve]

Would it be possible for an awesome guy/gal to remove the butt bones from this bodyslide UNPB body? Or perhaps a quick little guide? http://www.mediafire.com/?jhmyoaf2h0m5r72

 

My current TBBP installation is almost perfect, Main TBBP .hkx, Skully Custom Skeleton Pack 61 and a Bodyslide CBB++ UNPB Body, It's all peachy keen except for around 50% of butts still decide to explode

[Vulon]

The only issue I'm experiencing is crushed breasts on dead bodies or nude females immediately following a sex animation. I read through this topic, but I just ended up more confused regarding a possible fix. xD Seems like some things work for some people and not for others. 

[Monsto Brukes]

The only issue I'm experiencing is crushed breasts on dead bodies or nude females immediately following a sex animation. I read through this topic, but I just ended up more confused regarding a possible fix. xD Seems like some things work for some people and not for others. 

 

as far as I've been able to tell, the fix outlined here fixes it.

 

As a web developer, I ABSOLUTELY ABHOR when instructions or definitions just plain suck. Therefore, I specifically took my time and tried to be excruciatingly clear in the instructions.

 

Not trying to be a dick, but sometimes it helps to say the instructions slowly and out loud. 

[Vulon]

Haha, I often find myself repeating instructions slowly to myself, so no worries, I know what you mean. As far as the fix you mention is concerned, I'll give it a shot later on today. I'm currently trying to resolve some un-related issues in my game that just recently cropped up when I uninstalled Realistic Lighting Overhaul. As annoying as deflated breasts on corpses can be, getting stuck in an infinite loading screen is far worse. >.<

[AvatarSteve]

I really hope AcDale shares his/her body modeling secrets with stuffed_bunny, because the crushed breasts AND butt are completely fixed when using the ADEC Body and supplied skeleton, but if you swap in a body from bodyslide the bodies 'seem' to be fixed, until they're moved around, then the crush (butt) happens, followed by a 50% chance of fixing itself (tested with about 20 unessential Keeravas 20 unessential Maven black briars).

[Bonnie Lass]

I really hope AcDale shares his/her body modeling secrets with stuffed_bunny, because the crushed breasts AND butt are completely fixed when using the ADEC Body and supplied skeleton, but if you swap in a body from bodyslide the bodies 'seem' to be fixed, until they're moved around, then the crush (butt) happens, followed by a 50% chance of fixing itself (tested with about 20 unessential Keeravas 20 unessential Maven black briars).

 

ADEC really doesn't play nice with the RaceMenu breast scaling though. I decided to give it a shot and even slight scale-ups looked pretty awful.

[comrang113]

help me this problem

 

two corpses. My character when die is same with npc white. I don't know why...

 

[abovewolf]

ummm....just use the ADEC skeletons and hkx files? works with Bodyslide and the lagbone is in effect on corpses, with no crushed parts.

[vsuamier]

I've read about several persons that have confirmed the Butt & Breast Crush fix with version 1.6b and newer versions of the XPMS32 skeleton.

I never had this problem with my TBBP from the Skeleton replacers collection.

 

The only issue I had was with the skeleton animation from Dragon Fly's original skeleton.hkx. Currently reinstalling therefore and I consider a switch to at least the XPMS32 animation file(s).

 

That could be a compatibility problem with my the TBBP from the skeleton replacers but I really don't know (could also be a different animation).

(it occured during walking sometimes - it also happened when I installed a new mod so that I immediately removed again