mace_win_dude Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Hey guys, recently I've gotten mildly frustrated due to my save games taking way too long to actually save. At first I thought it had something to do with OBGE but I uninstalled it and the issue was still there, even after creating a new game. I've made sure there's enough space on my HDD, ran boss and looked at the recommended load order for Lovers plugins. I'm posting this here because I think it has something to do with Lovers, not a 100% sure, but the other mods I disabled didn't solve the issue. I also loaded a save I have left from 2011 that I found way down on my save list and the issue wasn't present. However after an hour or so it came back (I had enabled lovers plugins) Now I'm not sure it's lovers that's causing this but I thought I'd at least ask for help and see if anyone had an idea of what's going on. Oh and I did run Bash and check for save game bloats, it didn't find any. EDIT : Sorry forgot to post my load order... Here it is Oblivion.esm Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm You Are Here.esm Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm Lovers with PK.esm BreakUndies.esm LoversCreature.esm x117race.esm Chanpon.esm xeosp++.esp xeosp++ Vwalk.esp Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp UOPS Additional Changes.esp DLCShiveringIsles.esp Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp Oblivion Vwalk UOS.esp DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp OBGE - Liquid Water.esp Symphony of Violence.esp Living Economy.esp Living Economy - Items.esp Cutthroat Merchants.esp DLCHorseArmor.esp DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp DLCOrrery.esp DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp DLCVileLair.esp DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp DLCMehrunesRazor.esp DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk UOP.esp DLCSpellTomes.esp DMRA Stock Clothing Replacer.esp DMRA Stock Clothing Skimpy.esp DLCThievesDen.esp DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp DLCThievesDen Vwalk UOP.esp Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp DLCBattlehornCastle.esp DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp DLCFrostcrag.esp DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp Knights.esp Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp Knights Vwalk UOP.esp xuldarkforest.esp xulStendarrValley.esp xulTheHeath.esp XulEntiusGorge.esp xulFallenleafEverglade.esp xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp xulChorrolHinterland.esp xulChorrolHinterland Vwalk.esp xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp xulBravilBarrowfields.esp xulBravilBarrowfields Vwalk.esp xulLushWoodlands.esp xulAncientYews.esp xulAncientRedwoods.esp xulCloudtopMountains.esp xulArriusCreek.esp xulPatch_AY_AC.esp xulRollingHills_EV.esp xulRollingHills_EV Vwalk.esp xulPantherRiver.esp xulRiverEthe.esp xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp xulBrenaRiverRavine Vwalk.esp xulImperialIsle.esp xulImperialIsle Vwalk.esp xulBlackwoodForest.esp xulCheydinhalFalls.esp xulAspenWood.esp xulAspenWood Vwalk.esp xulSkingradOutskirts.esp xulSkingradOutskirts Vwalk.esp xulSnowdale.esp xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp xulCliffsOfAnvil Vwalk.esp xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp xulJerallGlacier.esp Harvest [Flora].esp Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp LoversFSE.esp LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp LoversRaperS.esp LoversJoburg.esp LoversJoburg NoDelay Addon.esp LoversBed.esp LoversPayBandit.esp LoversAdultYield.esp Lovers with PK.esp LoversCreature.esp LoversBackup2.esp LoversSpermSplashEx.esp LoversLight.esp LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp LoversSlaveTrader.esp LSTBravilUnderground.esp Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp DiabloEF 6 in 1.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Ashara's Sirens and Tritons.esp Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp x117race.esp Lop-ears Elf.esp Lop-ears Elf_mini.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp BU_Disabler.esp BreakArmor.esp zBUArmors.esp NeoDarkarmor.esp JUSTICE HGEC Steelarmor Replacer.esp OBGEv3 Controller.esp LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
gregathit Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Minor switch needed: LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp How big are your saved game files? .ess size .obse size
mace_win_dude Posted January 9, 2013 Author Posted January 9, 2013 Minor switch needed: LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp How big are your saved game files? .ess size .obse size .obse files are about 7kb and the .ess is around 1.5mb - 2mb except for the most recent .obse quicksave which is 6mb.
gregathit Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Ok, don't ever use quicksaves. They are only partial saves anyway and they will get corrupted really fast. The jury is still out on autosaves - personally I recommend turning them off and then getting Streamline version3.1 for autosaving (you can get it from the nexus). Streamline comes with a bunch of purging and other tweaks to help stabilize your game. As to the files sizes - they sound fine so I think it is safe to say they are not bloated. One other thing, how many saves do you have in that folder? If you have more than 20 (and you want to save them), then create a subfolder inside your saved game folder and move the older saved games to it. Oblivion starts to slow down if you have more than 50-100 saved games (depending on your machine spec's). Out of curiosity, post your wrye bash load order. If you don't know how to do that just see this post: http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=6133
mace_win_dude Posted January 9, 2013 Author Posted January 9, 2013 Ok' date=' don't ever use quicksaves. They are only partial saves anyway and they will get corrupted really fast. The jury is still out on autosaves - personally I recommend turning them off and then getting Streamline version3.1 for autosaving (you can get it from the nexus). Streamline comes with a bunch of purging and other tweaks to help stabilize your game. As to the files sizes - they sound fine so I think it is safe to say they are not bloated. One other thing, how many saves do you have in that folder? If you have more than 20 (and you want to save them), then create a subfolder inside your saved game folder and move the older saved games to it. Oblivion starts to slow down if you have more than 50-100 saved games (depending on your machine spec's). Out of curiosity, post your wrye bash load order. If you don't know how to do that just see this post: http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=6133 [/quote'] I would say there's around 20ish saves in my save folder, i'll try throwing the older ones into a subfolder and hope for the best. As for the wrye bash load order Active Mod Files: 00 Oblivion.esm 01 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm 02 You Are Here.esm 03 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.33] 04 x117race.esm 05 Chanpon.esm 06 BreakUndies.esm 07 Lovers with PK.esm 08 LoversCreature.esm 09 DLCShiveringIsles.esp 0A xeosp++ Vwalk.esp ----> Delinquent MASTER: xeosp++.esp 0B Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.4.3] 0C OBGE - Liquid Water.esp 0D UOPS Additional Changes.esp 0E Living Economy.esp 0F Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.2] 10 Living Economy - Items.esp ++ USIPS Additional Changes.esp 11 Cutthroat Merchants.esp 12 DLCHorseArmor.esp 13 Oblivion Vwalk UOS.esp 14 DLCOrrery.esp 15 DLCVileLair.esp 16 DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp 17 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp 18 DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp 19 DLCSpellTomes.esp 1A OBGEv3 Controller.esp ++ MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp 1B DLCThievesDen.esp 1C DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.8] 1D Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.33] 1E DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5] ++ OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33] 1F DLCBattlehornCastle.esp 20 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9] 21 DLCFrostcrag.esp 22 Knights.esp 23 DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp 24 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6] 25 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0] ++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0] 26 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0] ++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1] 27 DiabloEF 6 in 1.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp 28 DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk UOP.esp ** Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp 29 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.11] ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp 2A DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.11] ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp 2B DMRA Stock Clothing Replacer.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp 2C DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.8] 2D DMRA Stock Clothing Skimpy.esp ++ x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp 2E DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.8] ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp 2F Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Ashara's Sirens and Tritons.esp 30 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.3] 31 DLCThievesDen Vwalk UOP.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp 32 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp 33 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Race.esp 34 x117race.esp ++ x117Race ENG Race.esp 35 Lop-ears Elf.esp 36 DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp 37 Lop-ears Elf_mini.esp 38 xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6] 39 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.4] 3A Knights Vwalk UOP.esp 3B xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.4] 3C xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2] 3D xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0] 3E xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.4] 3F xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1.1] 40 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1] 41 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.3] 42 xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp [Version 1.12] 43 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3] 44 xulChorrolHinterland Vwalk.esp 45 xeosp++.esp 46 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.2] 47 XulEntiusGorge.esp [Version 1.2.1] 48 xulBravilBarrowfields Vwalk.esp 49 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1] 4A xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.8] 4B xulJerallGlacier.esp [Version 1.0.1] 4C xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.5] 4D xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.2] 4E xulPantherRiver.esp 4F xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2] 50 xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp [Version 1.0.3] 51 xulRollingHills_EV Vwalk.esp ----> Delinquent MASTER: xulRollingHills_EV.esp 52 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.2] 53 xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0.5] 54 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2] 55 xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5] 56 xulBrenaRiverRavine Vwalk.esp 57 xulTheHeath.esp 58 xulImperialIsle Vwalk.esp 59 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.3] 5A xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1] 5B xulAspenWood Vwalk.esp 5C xulSkingradOutskirts Vwalk.esp 5D xulCliffsOfAnvil Vwalk.esp 5E LoversFSE.esp 5F LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp 60 LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp 61 LoversRaperS.esp 62 LoversJoburg.esp 63 LoversJoburg NoDelay Addon.esp 64 LoversBed.esp 65 LoversPayBandit.esp 66 LoversAdultYield.esp 67 Lovers with PK.esp [Version 96] 68 LoversCreature.esp 69 LoversBackup2.esp 6A LoversSpermSplashEx.esp 6B LoversLight.esp 6C LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp 6D LoversSlaveTrader.esp 6E LSTBravilUnderground.esp 6F Bashed Patch, 0.esp 70 Symphony of Violence.esp 71 FuroGeneratorTrap.esp 72 BU_Disabler.esp 73 JUSTICE HGEC Steelarmor Replacer.esp 74 NeoDarkarmor.esp 75 zBUArmors.esp 76 BreakArmor.esp [Version 1.09f] 77 Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp 78 LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp 79 LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp
gregathit Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Well, something is off: 0A xeosp++ Vwalk.esp ----> Delinquent MASTER: xeosp++.esp Your original posted load order is correct, but your wrye bash one is not. I think you need to take a look at what is going on there. Same thing here: 51 xulRollingHills_EV Vwalk.esp ----> Delinquent MASTER: xulRollingHills_EV.esp All of your Vwalk.esp files should be merged into your bash patch (in doing so it should then disable them). None of these should be below your bashed patch: 70 Symphony of Violence.esp 71 FuroGeneratorTrap.esp 72 BU_Disabler.esp 73 JUSTICE HGEC Steelarmor Replacer.esp 74 NeoDarkarmor.esp 75 zBUArmors.esp 76 BreakArmor.esp [Version 1.09f] 77 Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp It looks to me like you might have made some load order changes and didn't rebuild your bashed patch. Remember to disable all lovers esm\esp files prior to rebuilding a bashed patch.
mace_win_dude Posted January 10, 2013 Author Posted January 10, 2013 Well' date=' something is off: 0A xeosp++ Vwalk.esp ----> Delinquent MASTER: xeosp++.esp Your original posted load order is correct, but your wrye bash one is not. I think you need to take a look at what is going on there. Same thing here: 51 xulRollingHills_EV Vwalk.esp ----> Delinquent MASTER: xulRollingHills_EV.esp All of your Vwalk.esp files should be merged into your bash patch (in doing so it should then disable them). None of these should be below your bashed patch: 70 Symphony of Violence.esp 71 FuroGeneratorTrap.esp 72 BU_Disabler.esp 73 JUSTICE HGEC Steelarmor Replacer.esp 74 NeoDarkarmor.esp 75 zBUArmors.esp 76 BreakArmor.esp [Version 1.09f'] 77 Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp It looks to me like you might have made some load order changes and didn't rebuild your bashed patch. Remember to disable all lovers esm\esp files prior to rebuilding a bashed patch. I could've swore that I had that one sorted a few days ago, lol. Anyways I will try that now, however I doubt it will fix the amount of time it takes for the game to save. It's strange actually, that i never had this problem playing any other TES game or Fallout3/NV and my PC specs should be able to deal with oblivion without any real issues. Anyways, thank you for taking the time to help out, i appreciate it EDIT : I'm still getting slow saves, even after load order changes/bashed patches. At first I thought it might just be my HDD, but quicksaving/saving or just loading screens in general seems normal on other games. Even got decent loading times on some really demanding pc games. I have no clue what's going on, might just have to reinstall oblivion.
mace_win_dude Posted January 11, 2013 Author Posted January 11, 2013 Seems it might be BreakArmor esp causing the saves to take forever according to the OBSE log, will try to come back once I've checked it properly. It said something about the esp being stringed to 418389 strings just at the same time i save. Might just be a false lead but hey, I'm willing to try . EDIT: Yes it seems that BreakArmor.esp was the culprit in my case ! I'm not saying it's the mods fault, honestly, I could've done something without realizing it or the mod just didn't like my PC at all. Either way, i appreciate the help, shame though, i really liked that mod.
gerra6 Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 EDIT: Yes it seems that BreakArmor.esp was the culprit in my case ! I'm not saying it's the mods fault' date=' honestly, I could've done something without realizing it or the mod just didn't like my PC at all. Either way, i appreciate the help, shame though, i really liked that mod. [/quote'] The new version should resolve any save bloat. Grab the 1.10b update and see if that resolves the issue. Please feel welcome to post any bugs or issues with BreakArmor in the thread.
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