Mount & Blade - With Fire & Sword Adult Mods?

[Kargrin]

Yeah, you and all the NPCs  keep whatever gear you have normally, so you need to be really good or lucky AND have decent, lord level gear yourself.  You also lose all your ammo, so it's a nice fuck you to archers.

 

One suggestion I have is to try and target the lords early on so they get eliminated in group fights rather than one on one.  The best way I have to deal with them is to be one foot, and either wait until the lord's horse is stuck on the wall or in a herd of horses, and attack from behind or use your horse as cover to stop the lord's charge, than hit him while the horse is rearing.  The horses are immortal in tournaments, so the NPCs will always be mounted, and the horse you use for cover never dies.

 

Indeed, thats what ive done on the first  match of the tourney.Only way to kill that full plate fella.

[sonicshocker]

You'll want to master couch lancing. Get a Heavy or Great lance and on a horse, when you move fast enough you'll start to lower down the lance to be parallel to the ground. If you connect your lance with the opponent at this point you'll "deliver couched lance damage" - probably the easiest way to dish out damage in calvary based tourneys. The longer your lance is, the easier it is to connect, though this pretty much makes your lance useless in close range. You'll only ever want it for mounted combat anyway though, so I guess it's a fair tradeoff.

[karinaskyrim4]

I have tried out SOTT. It is very frustrating sometimes. Like when you forget to adjust the options before a battle and you did not save. Or get the bandit quest and are stuck with it.I thing the game variable file not being in the file might have something to do with the options. Id this issue present with floris? 

   Now my inexpert critique:

pros- I like the varied cultural armors.and cultured period. And even the relic hunting. I really love the sea battles, in a bull in china fashion. full ahead shooting and hoping I hit. The arena is much more challenging and fun, as long as the options are set right. Sorry but everything set to high is just cruel. Nothing like a level one suddenly getting mobbed by 6  men wanting to stab you, with spears and blades, at once. I do not think that really fits the theme of the adult part.I also absolutely must applaud the fact that those two managed to make the action parts look better than skyrim action parts when everyone said it could not be done. Unless someone else did that.

    The prostitute was a good addition. the option to improve moral was too. Wish I could figure that out. Thats the main reason the modules still there.one anyway. the battles are fun.

 cons- You must remember to reset that option thingy. Even with a dexterity near thirty failure to do so makes you to slow for the mob that decides you are the most dangerous creature in existence.Kind of annoying. If you desert, every army in the world becomes your enemy. If you get the job to assassinate as a sniper, the hardest thing to figure out is who to shoot. That may just be a language barrier issue though.The worst thing though. is you cannot edit.You cannot take it apart and use what you like for personal use in native. You cannot fix whats broken. One guy on the makers site last year figured out how to bypass the cheat thing but he did not share. everyone pretty much hated how he made it to hard. he thought it was amusing. I think he was getting revenge on someone.The big one seems to be that both the mod repository for mount and blade and the nexus banned the mod for stolen content.Now the guy has a credit list and I think its a bit over the top to get upset when credit is given where its due, but I guess thats the way things work. Should we even endorse it?The last is a question.I was wondering .

 

[ComVlad]

The thing with SOTT being banned is not just whether he stole from mod makers although on those sites thats more than enough but he`s also got commercial assets in his mod. I haven`t listened to all the tracks in the music folder but for example all but 3 of the `war` tracks are from Jeremy Soule`s Total Annihilation score and while that game is ancient it`s still copyrighted music. 

[souldead341]

Also, it doesn't matter if you give credit to the original author when that author doesn't allow others to use their work.  No idea if that was one of the things done here, but it's possible.

[sebbigor]

Hello everybody

 

I just download the mod but i have problem with it. When the game launch, it crashes during the load screen, the one before the menu. it crashes showing me a message : 

Error On Creating Shaders : Out of Video Memory

 

What can I do ?

 

Thank by advance,

Sebbigor

[lukenukeas]

Hello everybody

 

I just download the mod but i have problem with it. When the game launch, it crashes during the load screen, the one before the menu. it crashes showing me a message : 

Error On Creating Shaders : Out of Video Memory

 

What can I do ?

 

Thank by advance,

Sebbigor

 

I'm pretty sure you don't have enough RAM to load up all the sh*t this mod has. After all, the minimum requeriments is a 64 bits windows with 8 GB of RAM and around 4 GB of VRAM...

 

Too many assets and the biggest M&B map I seen so far, if he only made the mod with the sex alone it would been amazing (Or at least someone can do that for ol' Mount & Blade)

[RathAzu]

Man, SOTT is vicious. And I'm not sure I care for the recruitment system - I kind of enjoyed building up an army out of people I rescued from bandits and the like.

Has anyone figured out how to cheat at all? I've even tried some save editing outside of the program and it still causes constant crashing. 

[souldead341]

As far as I can tell there's no way to cheat.  I did put some start up suggestions in an earlier post, which amounts to enlist in an army until you level up and get enough gold to get going on your own.

 

I personally find the recruitment system better, since you can rebuild an army right away, which makes a lot more sense to me, as opposed to being forced to start with raw recruits every time.

[sonicshocker]

It's not difficult to cheat - just get a savegame editor and give yourself some overpowered weapons/armor which are unique. You can find out what items are unique and even edit item stats with a certain program. I can't remember off the top of my head what it's called, but it's out there.

 

Adding a couple of lines to the .ini file also allows you to edit the amount of experience you get per kill, which can amount to quite a bit.

 

The only issue I had with SOTT is that with too many hero units you lose gold and morale at certain intervals (along with unit desertion), and i've never understood why. Shame - I really enjoyed this mod because of its uniqueness, probably the mod i've played the most. Also, it's incredibly ram unfriendly because of how much resources it uses up; expect a lot of CTDs.

[Rabitew88]

Hey everyone, I wanted to ask if anyone managed to take a castle to try out the policy parts. I tried joining a faction and take a castle with other lords, but I seem to have 100 controversy that won't ever decrease, it seems to increase randomly over time so I haven't seen it drop lower than 90.

 

I also tried editing the items and attempt to siege a castle on my own, but it seems to randomly kill me instantly. It might be because it noticed that I'm not taking damage, but I've had that happen when I play it regularly too. (mostly when I stay to the side and snipe while my allies charge) Do anyone have any idea why this is happening?

[souldead341]

Yeah, I've had that issue with sniping as well.  i have a feeling whichever dev was so against cheating also felt if the player wasn't taking damage or wasn't playing "the right way" it needed to punish you. 

 

I never tried for a castle, since I had nowhere near enough army size and don't know how to save edit.  It wouldn't surprise me if there was some way to detect changes to save files to prevent cheating as well.

[Opacity]

I have really been enjoying the mod. There are many interesting new features, but they are, however completely unexplained. Figuring it out relies on a lot of trial and error

If anybody can recognize some features from other mods. please let me know, It would be nice to be able to go there for some explanations.

 

Has anybody been able to read books? (native style) - I keep getting "you are too stupid" result when i try with 37 int. I'm just wondering if it's possible.

 

A few tips i kinda stumbled on

- try to right-click stuff on map: it's used for some custom options, like a new trading UI on cities (this is on the loadscreen, I for one, completely missed it).

- ctrl + left-click on map: opens a new menu similar to camp menu with some custom options, like building a supply wagon.

- Some female companions are non-combat: it seems there's a script that wounds them to the point where they don't join in battle (they join on some quests though, but generally it makes them less useful)

 

 

The anti cheat is annoying as hell - it makes me hesitant to poke around in the game files, you never know what might trigger it.

I have used Morghs editor and TweakMB to make things a bit easier, and i'm not crashing - I nerfed the Bandit Leader and Rebel Leader and gave them gem/coin box (high value loot you normally get from defeating lords), increased the amount of money merchants have, and increased relation gain from lord/lady quests.

I also changed relation gain from "gifts" and talking to companions by changing numbers in conversations.txt

 

Lady gift relation gain:
- open conversations.txt
- look for: dlga_lady_talk:lady_gift_attemt_pre
- theres an individual entry for each gift type, the number at the end is the relation gain (right before "NO_VOICEOVER").

Companion talk relation gain:
- open conversations.txt
- look for: dlga_member_talk:member_comp_relation_talk
- theres an individual entry for each possible response, the number at the end is the relation gain (right before "NO_VOICEOVER")

 

 

The only issue I had with SOTT is that with too many hero units you lose gold and morale at certain intervals (along with unit desertion), and i've never understood why.

 

I had this issue lately as well. You can have 99 party morale and all happy companions, but this will happen anyway if you get too many. It's so frustrating because it's unclear what the conditions are.

I'm starting to think it's just a max limit similar to what's in place for each tier of the normal units. You can have x heroes and x Ladies before you start to get this.

When you start to get the "conflicts resolved by leadership" you know you are around the limit.

So beyond maxing leadership i don't think there's much you can do, maybe holding some fiefs will help - I haven't started on that part of the game.

 

 

I too have experienced just dying in combat  completely out of the blue. I agree it's probably an anti cheat script at play - Typically it happens to me if I'm fighting a bunch of low tier units and they are pummeling me for 0-2 dmg each. I'll go from having plenty health to suddenly be dead, really annoying.

[lukenukeas]

Wow, nice review, Opacity!

 

Sadly I couldn't play that much since I don't have the requeriments for it, and it starts crashing after some days ingame. But the anti-cheat measures are way, way, WAY over the top! Without saying it's a mod way too big for it's own good. If M&B wasn't so hard to mod, I'd love to put most of the features into a simpler, native game. But oh well, I guess there's nothing but wait for Bannerlords and fullfill our fantasies there, hehe.

[sonicshocker]

 

 

The only issue I had with SOTT is that with too many hero units you lose gold and morale at certain intervals (along with unit desertion), and i've never understood why.

 

I had this issue lately as well. You can have 99 party morale and all happy companions, but this will happen anyway if you get too many. It's so frustrating because it's unclear what the conditions are.

I'm starting to think it's just a max limit similar to what's in place for each tier of the normal units. You can have x heroes and x Ladies before you start to get this.

When you start to get the "conflicts resolved by leadership" you know you are around the limit.

So beyond maxing leadership i don't think there's much you can do, maybe holding some fiefs will help - I haven't started on that part of the game.

 

 

I too have experienced just dying in combat  completely out of the blue. I agree it's probably an anti cheat script at play - Typically it happens to me if I'm fighting a bunch of low tier units and they are pummeling me for 0-2 dmg each. I'll go from having plenty health to suddenly be dead, really annoying.

 

 

I've tried maxing out leadership, so that didn't work out either - it might have raised the maximum amount of heroes you could have but at that point in time I was decked out with like 20+ heroes. Couldn't be bothered to test that out. On that note, steamrolling with that number of heroes makes encounters easy enough, except for those missions with hordes of enemies (eg; take out the base).

 

And yes, if you get pummeled too much within a short period of time you die instantly. It is a good idea to use two handed weapons to take out enemies quicker in that sense. Just use hit and run tactics when you're on foot. Fights are much easier on horseback, though.

 

One tip is to quick save before participating in tournaments. Take note of which ones you've been in, and if they don't give you a "special gift" (usually a piece of equipment, either weapon or armor), restart and participate in another one. You can find out where tournaments are by talking to arena masters, which should be present in any major city. The stuff you get from tournaments are usually pretty powerful and should take you places. 

[Rabitew88]

What are the requirements to get some heroes anyways? There's no hints what so ever, they just say that your requirement has not been met.

 

The instant kill thing really only happens when you're on siege, and not only does it kill you, but all other ally units on the map at the time it gets triggered. There's hundreds of archers in a siege, so dodging it is really not an option. They actual have the ability to cut off supplies so it'll weaken the garrison, but it's not working as well as it's suppose to do, as the garrison heals and gathers troops faster than the damage done by cutting off supplies.

 

The Looting skill mentions something related to that, did anyone try that?

[sonicshocker]

What are the requirements to get some heroes anyways? There's no hints what so ever, they just say that your requirement has not been met.

 

The instant kill thing really only happens when you're on siege, and not only does it kill you, but all other ally units on the map at the time it gets triggered. There's hundreds of archers in a siege, so dodging it is really not an option. They actual have the ability to cut off supplies so it'll weaken the garrison, but it's not working as well as it's suppose to do, as the garrison heals and gathers troops faster than the damage done by cutting off supplies.

 

The Looting skill mentions something related to that, did anyone try that?

 

Pretty sure it's just renown. Although I got to like 2000 renown in one playthrough and could never recruit some heroes. Might be the other 2 stats which denote your "good/bad" status. I think Honour was the good stat and Notoriety was the bad stat? Can't remember.

 

I could recruit most of them though. 

 

I managed to find Zhuge Liang's hut and it said it wasn't sure when he'd be back - never did figure out how to get him.

[lukenukeas]

 

Pretty sure it's just renown. Although I got to like 2000 renown in one playthrough and could never recruit some heroes. Might be the other 2 stats which denote your "good/bad" status. I think Honour was the good stat and Notoriety was the bad stat? Can't remember.

 

I could recruit most of them though. 

 

I managed to find Zhuge Liang's hut and it said it wasn't sure when he'd be back - never did figure out how to get him.

 

 

Hahaha, if it's loyal with the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, you must visit him 3 times before he joins. I guess there must be a cooldown and you have to go again a couple of times? I can't test it, but it's worth a shot I guess!

[karinaskyrim4]

Comvlad thank you.,commercially I can see the reasoning then. I never played that game. Souldead,I wish I knew which he did use so I could get a clue. I think he used floris. but it looks like it was a team from the credits. and there were quite a few modders it looks like giving suggestions.

    I am glad someone pointed out the trading thing.I was tired of choosing trader and having to join the army, or joining the army and ending up with 100  notorious because I accidentally besieged a castle and spent the rest of the time taking bad guy jobs trying to get to level 20. It never goes as planned. and even a CLUE as to where to find the sister would be nice.even "start with x" so I can have clues to follow.Poorly done there. Block someone from reading the scripts to get a clue then do not even offer a clue in game? I play sp exclusively to get away from anally retentive DMs, but as usually, those types are usually the best story makers too. 

   The game is FUN. Its a challenge. It makes you cheer when you win, /curse when you lose, its a good game. It lacks one thing most good games lack. Some freaking hints here and there to assure yo do not get bored at level 20 because instead of getting a clue all you get is told to get to 25. I am not sure if it will work fully but as development seems dead, hitting ctrl + ~ opens a cheat window, if you open it on open map.

  as for permisssions of non commercial, I can understand respect is due to the creators of mods. I do not begrudge them. But this mod is an example of why I think ,personally, asking permission is a courtesy.Here is the thing. I am all for honoring for the sake of their ability and artistic skill.Seriously, if they made it, they have respect coming. Give it.If they say no, do not do it.

   Where my issue arises is when the attitude comes in that I owe them anything.I can show respect. But I owe them as much as they owe me.And when someone like the guy and his mod we are discussing makes a game that needs polishing then abandons it, and says no one can fix it without permission,Thats such a case where this issue arises. Now this can be argues in many words and ways, but in the end its always going to be that. I will respect other people and their right to dignity,as fellow humans. I expect the same. I will give more if I can. but I do not owe more and if it is demanded, I may just not give it. I hope not to adrfessd that nasty topic again please. I want to talk about the mod and finding the sister.

[karinaskyrim4]

I just noticed today that some rulers were wiping out entire armies. So I did the troop peek. They are tagged un kill-able, un-capturable too. So when I face CoaCoa in the tourney, I will lose always.same on the battle field. Also each one has 60 strength, Spartacus has 100.their proficiency are no less than 333. How anyone ever got far is amazing lol. At least the other stuff was good. The arena is fun, and trading, though it has a unintended cheat in it.Never got into a pink place even with over 200 renown.it got boring by then.I really whsh the guy had not poofed into thin air.

[Opacity]

I'm pretty sure the unkillable flag just means the unit will always be knocked unconscious in combat, rather than being killed.

I believe one of the rulers had 300 str. - it's crazy, they get so much hp from all that strength.

 

As i recall i got companions with 200 renown. I did have my honor maxed at 50 at the time, maybe that could be what you're missing?

[Rabitew88]

I've managed to obtain a few companion, while a few of them have relatively low stats, some comes with 600+ Proficiency. I'm still not sure if the requirement are only renown though, your own stats might have some requirement too, or perhaps the goal that you chose at the start might have something to do with it.

 

While the existing generals are much tougher than what Warband originally had, they're not invincible, just really, really tough. But hey if you have to face some of them, then you should be used to it by now, they're tough, just like every other NPC troop in the game. I don't mind them being really powerful and all, but at least make it so you won't magically get killed when you're able to take the same level of damage.

[karinaskyrim4]

No I looked under the hood. Spartacus for example was tagged not only as unkillable but uncapturable, and his strength was close to 100. I did other tinkering. I managed to make them killable, but considering on what you choose yopu get a ability hike beginning at 30,I tried not to make them to killable. But seriously, you go in with 130 troops, with a good mix of 2 ,3,and 4 tier archer foot and horseman, when you are at level 30 and a special strength as a warrior of 26..with max athletics and a spear and sword skill over 300, and one guy tke on you, your full army, and if you are with another army, he will kill all them too, thats just a game glitch. And it was.sparticus was unkillable.Untill I made him killable. Now he only destroys 1 army solo before he goes down. I have met goal at 20,25,30, and half way to 35, have renown of almost 250, and still cannot find a companion.I can find the script with the variable, but there is no way to may the python work on this mod. I am thinking it was not all finished, before the author had to stop. His Russian sit had alot of complaints too, but I could not figure out how to register, due to internet tranlator language issues.

[Kargrin]

So for the people that still use SOTT, the makers created a new version: Warphilia. (http://www.nexusmods.com/mbwarband/mods/6006/)

[Rabitew88]

I tried it for 15 minutes or so to see how it's like, it shares some parts of SOTT, but it really transformed the game into something else. I tried the Lord profession at the start, and I'm not sure if it's just that profession, but the entire system seems completely different. You don't have personal money anymore, only a treasury. Your troop number goes in the thousands, but in battle they turn into lower amounts(I'll have to check it out more...). They also turned off the anti-cheat, so maybe it's not as difficult as SOTT, at least it won't be killing the player just because you're not charging to your death.