Pru Posted November 21, 2018 Posted November 21, 2018 Hi all! First off let me say that this forum is such a great resource and I am so appreciative of all the help that I receive from everyone here as I'm not the most mod savvy aside from being able to google things lol. Ok, now that that's out of the way. So I'm finally starting my game (yay), but I'm getting terrible fps spikes and then it will go back to normal, spike, back to normal for a while etc (you get the picture). I downloaded and installed the fps stutter fix, bethini tweaker thing, skse engine fixes, etc. but nothing seems to stick as far as fixing the problem. I've disabled texture mods, lowered settings as far as shadows etc. but nothing. I'm not quite sure what to do at this point. It's taken me forrrrrrever to get to this point after literally months of modding and I just want to actually play the game. Any help would be very very much appreciated. Thanks!
Molokkx Posted November 21, 2018 Posted November 21, 2018 What are you system specs? Are you using Mod Organizer 2? Vortex? Nexus Mod Manager? (or no managers at all and just playing from the launcher?) Are you playing vanilla or with mods? Which mods do you have? There's lack of information but I'll go with basics: - Backup your current Skyrim.ini and SkyrimPrefs.ini, place them somewhere safe, and delete the ones currently used by the game. They're usually located to Windows Documents ([this pc]\documents\skyrim special edition). That's the default location. However, notes: if you're using Mod Organizer 2, then make sure you're actually using a Profile first, and then if you do modify stuff in either .ini files, then you'd have to go in Tools > INI Editor (inside MO2), since MO2 uses a separate folder with its own Skyrim and SkyrimPrefs there (it's not using the ones located in Documents, and any changes made in those wouldn't be seen in the game itself when launched via MO2). So, yeah, delete them, and if you're NOT using MO2 then just restart the Launcher, reset all the settings you want to re-create the .INIs and to give them default values to start with (launch the game, and the .INIs will be re-created by default). Saying all this to make sure that if you do need to make changes to .INIs, that you should do so starting from a fresh, vanilla (default) state. But you'd still have your backup .INIs in case re-creating them with default values didn't help. - Now, from default .INIs (or in your current .INIs if you prefer), try the following: Skyrim.ini under [Display] º iPresentInterval=0 (if it's not there, add it manually, it's for VSync; disables it with it set to zero) SkyrimPrefs.ini under [Display] º iMultiSample=0 (or =1, try both; it's for Anti-Aliasing, and if it's not there, add it manually) º bUseTAA=0 (again, it's for Anti-Aliasing; this one should be there already) º bSAO_CS_Enable=0 (this one might not be there, if not, add it manually) º bSAOEnable=0 º bFXAAEnabled=0 º iVSyncPresentInterval=0 (also about VSync) Another reminder, if you're using MO2, don't forget to click on 'Save' at the bottom of the INI Editor window after making changes. If not, and just manually editing the regular .INIs then of course save them, but also make sure that they're not set to "Read Only" in their Properties. - Mostly, the above is to first try to run the game without VSync (but also without SAO, and FXAA or any multisampling). But you can do the complete opposite, too. I.E., you can activate some of the above to try running the game with SOME of those activated (don't turn them all on, I.E. don't use both FXAA and TAA, and do NOT use bSAO_CS, leave that one to zero, if you do want to try SAO then just activate the regular one without 'CS' in it). - Now, in your NVIDIA (or AMD?) Control Panel, go to Programs and specifically add a Skyrim Profile (under 'Manage 3D Settings > Program Settings tab). Navigate to where your game is installed and add the Skyrimse.exe (not the launcher.exe). And now, inside that profile, do the following: º FXAA = Off º Anti-Aliasing Mode = Application-Controlled (or Off if you want to force it off entirely) º Anti-Aliasing Setting = Application-Controlled (or Off if you want to force it off entirely) º AA Transparency = Off º Power Management Mode = Prefer Maximum Performance º Triple Buffering = Off º VSync = Off Now, that's making sure that there's just zero AA applied (you'll have a seriously-jagged Skyrim for a start but it's for testing purposes, we're trying to troubleshoot). Also, with Vsync off in the .INI files AND forced Off in the Control Panel it's definitely not going to be applied to the game. Again, this is just for testing. - If NONE of the above helped at all, then from there keep everything as is BUT actually start by changing the VSync setting in the Control Panel to now try it on. So, set it to On, for a start. But keep Triple Buffering Off. Then, if nothing changes, try it to Adaptive (while still keeping Triple Buffering Off). Then, try it back to "On", BUT try it now with Triple Buffering turned On. Etc. - Now, outside of Anti-Aliasing and VSync, do you have a GSync monitor? If so, do you actually use GSync instead? (This would change a bunch of things in troubleshooting). - Which resolution do you run to the game at? And, are you using DSR? (I.E. increasing the rendered resolution while using a lesser resolution monitor? For example, setting DSR to 78% would give you the option to run the game at 1440p while playing the game on a 1080p monitor). - Do you have any Anti-Virus programs running in the background? And do you also have Windows Defender turned on? If so, make sure that Skyrim is excluded from them completely (if any third-party programs make 'checks' on the game while it's running, it might cause stability and/or performance-related issues). - Simple enough here, but do you have the latest graphics drivers installed? - Have you tried to change the Field of View in the game? While you're playing, open the Console (default key for me is the Tilde key just above 'Tab'), and simply type: fov x It's not case-sensitive so no need to type it in capital letters. The 'x' is variable, you decide. The default is 60 I believe (which is very low by today's standards with HD monitors). So type... let's say something like fov 70, press enter to apply and see how it goes in the game, if it affects performance whatsoever (it might decrease FPS a bit if you happen to have a low specs computer though, since more things are rendered on-screen with the higher FoV you go). For "24 or "27 monitors it's usually recommended (in most games anyway) to have a Field of View of around 70 to 75, in some games it's even better to go higher (80, 85). I for one use 80 for Skyrim, just right for me (then again, this is rather for personal preferences; but in this scenario it's for testing). If nothing changes, just re-open the console and change it back to default if you prefer it that way by typing fov 60, press enter and voila, you're back to default. - Now, last point that comes to mind. It's basically about limiting FPS in the game. Yes, actually limiting it. The thing is, even if we have super powerful systems, the GameBryo engine (well excuse me... * clears throat * I mean the Creation Engine) plain and simple does not like it if the game runs at anything higher than around 60 or 65 FPS, give or take just a few frames. Anything above a certain point around that threshold performance-wise and suddenly weird shit starts happening left and right. It's mostly related to physics, and it can create issues such as stuttering. I actually had stuttering back in Fallout 3 last time I played on my last system (with a GTX 970, way above the recommended specs for Fallout 3) and realized that the game was running essentially at around 90 FPS or something like that. So yeah, limiting FPS, why? To stabilize the game. How would you go about doing that? Well, 'normally' that would be done via VSync. So that of course the game doesn't try to run at a higher frame rate than the Refresh Rate of your own monitor. However, there's a problem with that nowadays. Since a couple of years now a lot of the newer monitors are NOT 60Hz anymore. They're more in the 75Hz to 144Hz range (it's very common to have 120Hz by now). So, if that's the case (for you) then even if you were to activate VSync via either the game itself (in the .INI files) or via the Control Panel in your NVIDIA (or AMD) Profile, then the game sure would be limited... but it would be limited to 120 FPS (if your monitor had 120Hz). Which means that you'd still be way too high for the game even with VSync activated. Soooo... a 'workaround' with that is to install ENB, and limit the game's FPS via that little, fantastic almost-magic-level tool that a genius developed (and I'm serious about the genius part, never would have been able to actually play Fallout 3 to start with without ENB; same thing with 32-bit Skyrim). Now, are you actually using ENB? If not, download it. And, don't worry, yes ENB is "mostly" a mod that relates to esthetic and visual changes... BUT, those can be turned Off and you can just use the 'fixes' provided by it. And also a feature is to be able to limit the game to ANY frames-per-second you want (in the ENB's own .INI file). (Almost forgot) ENB direct download (specifically for Special Edition): http://enbdev.com/enbseries_skyrimse_v0356.zip - Now, assuming you ARE using ENB but perhaps did NOT try to limit FPS via that tool, then go to the following ENB file (located where your Skyrim itself is installed): enblocal.ini under [LIMITER] - EnableFPSLimit=true - FPSLimit=60.00 That's it. However, you might also notice in the same file, just above, under [ENGINE], there's values for VSync. So, while you have the 'Limiter' activated, it would be best to turn that VSync value to 'false'. It's called ForceVSync=true (it's set to 'true' by default, I think). Try the Limiter with that VSync value to 'false', first. See if it helps. If not, however, keep the Limiter activated but try to turn that VSync value to 'true'. You should be fine by leaving the other line (VSyncSkipNumFrames=0) to default value. Annnnd, yeah; that's pretty much what I can think of for now. Now mind you, it's possible that NONE of the above is actually affecting your specific performance. But it's good to make some basic tests just to make sure. If nothing above would have helped your case then it might be related to mods making changes to either the Textures and (or) the Environment (Water, Trees, Vegetation, etc).
Pru Posted November 21, 2018 Author Posted November 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Molokkx said: What are you system specs? Are you using Mod Organizer 2? Vortex? Nexus Mod Manager? (or no managers at all and just playing from the launcher?) Are you playing vanilla or with mods? Which mods do you have? There's lack of information but I'll go with basics: - Backup your current Skyrim.ini and SkyrimPrefs.ini, place them somewhere safe, and delete the ones currently used by the game. They're usually located to Windows Documents ([this pc]\documents\skyrim special edition). That's the default location. However, notes: if you're using Mod Organizer 2, then make sure you're actually using a Profile first, and then if you do modify stuff in either .ini files, then you'd have to go in Tools > INI Editor (inside MO2), since MO2 uses a separate folder with its own Skyrim and SkyrimPrefs there (it's not using the ones located in Documents, and any changes made in those wouldn't be seen in the game itself when launched via MO2). So, yeah, delete them, and if you're NOT using MO2 then just restart the Launcher, reset all the settings you want to re-create the .INIs and to give them default values to start with (launch the game, and the .INIs will be re-created by default). Saying all this to make sure that if you do need to make changes to .INIs, that you should do so starting from a fresh, vanilla (default) state. But you'd still have your backup .INIs in case re-creating them with default values didn't help. - Now, from default .INIs (or in your current .INIs if you prefer), try the following: Skyrim.ini under [Display] º iPresentInterval=0 (if it's not there, add it manually, it's for VSync; disables it with it set to zero) SkyrimPrefs.ini under [Display] º iMultiSample=0 (or =1, try both; it's for Anti-Aliasing, and if it's not there, add it manually) º bUseTAA=0 (again, it's for Anti-Aliasing; this one should be there already) º bSAO_CS_Enable=0 (this one might not be there, if not, add it manually) º bSAOEnable=0 º bFXAAEnabled=0 º iVSyncPresentInterval=0 (also about VSync) Another reminder, if you're using MO2, don't forget to click on 'Save' at the bottom of the INI Editor window after making changes. If not, and just manually editing the regular .INIs then of course save them, but also make sure that they're not set to "Read Only" in their Properties. - Mostly, the above is to first try to run the game without VSync (but also without SAO, and FXAA or any multisampling). But you can do the complete opposite, too. I.E., you can activate some of the above to try running the game with SOME of those activated (don't turn them all on, I.E. don't use both FXAA and TAA, and do NOT use bSAO_CS, leave that one to zero, if you do want to try SAO then just activate the regular one without 'CS' in it). - Now, in your NVIDIA (or AMD?) Control Panel, go to Programs and specifically add a Skyrim Profile (under 'Manage 3D Settings > Program Settings tab). Navigate to where your game is installed and add the Skyrimse.exe (not the launcher.exe). And now, inside that profile, do the following: º FXAA = Off º Anti-Aliasing Mode = Application-Controlled (or Off if you want to force it off entirely) º Anti-Aliasing Setting = Application-Controlled (or Off if you want to force it off entirely) º AA Transparency = Off º Power Management Mode = Prefer Maximum Performance º Triple Buffering = Off º VSync = Off Now, that's making sure that there's just zero AA applied (you'll have a seriously-jagged Skyrim for a start but it's for testing purposes, we're trying to troubleshoot). Also, with Vsync off in the .INI files AND forced Off in the Control Panel it's definitely not going to be applied to the game. Again, this is just for testing. - If NONE of the above helped at all, then from there keep everything as is BUT actually start by changing the VSync setting in the Control Panel to now try it on. So, set it to On, for a start. But keep Triple Buffering Off. Then, if nothing changes, try it to Adaptive (while still keeping Triple Buffering Off). Then, try it back to "On", BUT try it now with Triple Buffering turned On. Etc. - Now, outside of Anti-Aliasing and VSync, do you have a GSync monitor? If so, do you actually use GSync instead? (This would change a bunch of things in troubleshooting). - Which resolution do you run to the game at? And, are you using DSR? (I.E. increasing the rendered resolution while using a lesser resolution monitor? For example, setting DSR to 78% would give you the option to run the game at 1440p while playing the game on a 1080p monitor). - Do you have any Anti-Virus programs running in the background? And do you also have Windows Defender turned on? If so, make sure that Skyrim is excluded from them completely (if any third-party programs make 'checks' on the game while it's running, it might cause stability and/or performance-related issues). - Simple enough here, but do you have the latest graphics drivers installed? - Have you tried to change the Field of View in the game? While you're playing, open the Console (default key for me is the Tilde key just above 'Tab'), and simply type: fov x It's not case-sensitive so no need to type it in capital letters. The 'x' is variable, you decide. The default is 60 I believe (which is very low by today's standards with HD monitors). So type... let's say something like fov 70, press enter to apply and see how it goes in the game, if it affects performance whatsoever (it might decrease FPS a bit if you happen to have a low specs computer though, since more things are rendered on-screen with the higher FoV you go). For "24 or "27 monitors it's usually recommended (in most games anyway) to have a Field of View of around 70 to 75, in some games it's even better to go higher (80, 85). I for one use 80 for Skyrim, just right for me (then again, this is rather for personal preferences; but in this scenario it's for testing). If nothing changes, just re-open the console and change it back to default if you prefer it that way by typing fov 60, press enter and voila, you're back to default. - Now, last point that comes to mind. It's basically about limiting FPS in the game. Yes, actually limiting it. The thing is, even if we have super powerful systems, the GameBryo engine (well excuse me... * clears throat * I mean the Creation Engine) plain and simple does not like it if the game runs at anything higher than around 60 or 65 FPS, give or take just a few frames. Anything above a certain point around that threshold performance-wise and suddenly weird shit starts happening left and right. It's mostly related to physics, and it can create issues such as stuttering. I actually had stuttering back in Fallout 3 last time I played on my last system (with a GTX 970, way above the recommended specs for Fallout 3) and realized that the game was running essentially at around 90 FPS or something like that. So yeah, limiting FPS, why? To stabilize the game. How would you go about doing that? Well, 'normally' that would be done via VSync. So that of course the game doesn't try to run at a higher frame rate than the Refresh Rate of your own monitor. However, there's a problem with that nowadays. Since a couple of years now a lot of the newer monitors are NOT 60Hz anymore. They're more in the 75Hz to 144Hz range (it's very common to have 120Hz by now). So, if that's the case (for you) then even if you were to activate VSync via either the game itself (in the .INI files) or via the Control Panel in your NVIDIA (or AMD) Profile, then the game sure would be limited... but it would be limited to 120 FPS (if your monitor had 120Hz). Which means that you'd still be way too high for the game even with VSync activated. Soooo... a 'workaround' with that is to install ENB, and limit the game's FPS via that little, fantastic almost-magic-level tool that a genius developed (and I'm serious about the genius part, never would have been able to actually play Fallout 3 to start with without ENB; same thing with 32-bit Skyrim). Now, are you actually using ENB? If not, download it. And, don't worry, yes ENB is "mostly" a mod that relates to esthetic and visual changes... BUT, those can be turned Off and you can just use the 'fixes' provided by it. And also a feature is to be able to limit the game to ANY frames-per-second you want (in the ENB's own .INI file). (Almost forgot) ENB direct download (specifically for Special Edition): http://enbdev.com/enbseries_skyrimse_v0356.zip - Now, assuming you ARE using ENB but perhaps did NOT try to limit FPS via that tool, then go to the following ENB file (located where your Skyrim itself is installed): enblocal.ini under [LIMITER] - EnableFPSLimit=true - FPSLimit=60.00 That's it. However, you might also notice in the same file, just above, under [ENGINE], there's values for VSync. So, while you have the 'Limiter' activated, it would be best to turn that VSync value to 'false'. It's called ForceVSync=true (it's set to 'true' by default, I think). Try the Limiter with that VSync value to 'false', first. See if it helps. If not, however, keep the Limiter activated but try to turn that VSync value to 'true'. You should be fine by leaving the other line (VSyncSkipNumFrames=0) to default value. Annnnd, yeah; that's pretty much what I can think of for now. Now mind you, it's possible that NONE of the above is actually affecting your specific performance. But it's good to make some basic tests just to make sure. If nothing above would have helped your case then it might be related to mods making changes to either the Textures and (or) the Environment (Water, Trees, Vegetation, etc). Wow, thank you for the beyond in depth response! I just have some questions before I start this process: how would I go about providing my rig information and load order? I’ve seen people do it plenty, but. I’m not sure how to do it myself other than possibly manually typing my mods out. My second query is how much detail/gfx loss will I have with your suggestions? I’ll provide you with a link to some mods I’ve downloaded to help. https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/2477 https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/17230 https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/10547 i have also turned vsync off and reduced shadow and god ray details.
Pru Posted November 21, 2018 Author Posted November 21, 2018 16 hours ago, Molokkx said: Now, in your NVIDIA (or AMD?) Control Panel, go to Programs and specifically add a Skyrim Profile (under 'Manage 3D Settings > Program Settings tab). Navigate to where your game is installed and add the Skyrimse.exe (not the launcher.exe). And now, inside that profile, do the following: º FXAA = Off º Anti-Aliasing Mode = Application-Controlled (or Off if you want to force it off entirely) º Anti-Aliasing Setting = Application-Controlled (or Off if you want to force it off entirely) º AA Transparency = Off º Power Management Mode = Prefer Maximum Performance º Triple Buffering = Off º VSync = Off First, I had no idea that MO2 had its own ini. I'm relatively new to MO, so that was a new discovery to me. I changed everything in those two inis with no success. I have NVIDIA GeForce Experience, but have never really used it either so I have no idea where to edit those things. I asked a friend about how to share my system specs and here's what I came up with. Let me know if this helps: Intel i5-660k stock, 16gb RAM, NVIDIA GTX 750ti. Here is my LO though (I figured out how to get that part): Skyrim.esm Update.esm Dawnguard.esm HearthFires.esm Dragonborn.esm ccbgssse014-spellpack01.esl UHDAP - en0.esp UHDAP - en1.esp UHDAP - en2.esp UHDAP - en3.esp UHDAP - en4.esp Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp Campfire.esm ApachiiHair.esm ApachiiHairFemales.esm ApachiiHairMales.esm Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm TravellersOfSkyrim.esm SGHairPackBase.esm RSkyrimChildren.esm RaceCompatibility.esm Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp Cutting Room Floor.esp BetterQuestObjectives.esp Frostfall.esp YOT - Your Own Thoughts.esp cheat room.esp iNeed.esp iNeed - Extended.esp Natural Interface.esp reflection-levelupmessages.esp SkyUI_SE.esp EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp CharacterMakingExtender.esp Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp JRSpellPackPatch.esp The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp Gildergreen Regrown.esp Dawnguard Delayed - Level 20.esp Dragonborn Delayed - After Alduin's Wall.esp Castle Volkihar Rebuilt.esp BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp Qw_BarenziahQuestMarkers_USSEP Patch.esp Helgen Reborn.esp Black Mage Armor SE.esp Tribunal Robes for SSE.esp el_gildeddoubletsetcolor.esp sirwho_Wizard_Hat.esp Hedge Mage Armor - Craftable Module.esp LadyKdCirclets.esp Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp UnreadBooksGlow.esl CBBE.esl Ys Spell Tweaks.esp Carry_on_LevelUp.esp ogSplendorDragons.esp dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp AHZmoreHUD.esp freecraft.esp Freecraft Patches.esp 3PCOFull.esp VioLens SE.esp RichMerchantsSkyrim_x5.esp Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp Sum_WACCF_Patch.esp Proper Aiming.esp EconomyOverhaulandSpeechcraftImprovements.esp Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp 20 More Perk Points.esp Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp Apocalypse - More Apocalypse.esp Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp LostGrimoire.esp Elemental Destruction.esp Elemental Destruction - Ordinator Patch.esp HRElegantGown.esp NS_NobleDress.esp KozakowyBlackCorsetDressPlunge.esp HN66mage4vanilla.esp HN66 Mage Nails_DivineElegance_LeftRings_USSEP Patch.esp ColovianNobleClothes_replacer.esp Immersive Weapons.esp Cloaks.esp Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp Qw_CloaksOfSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp CommonClothes.esp MLU.esp MLU - Vanilla Encounter Zones.esp LeftHandRings-1stPersonView.esp LeftHandRings.esp AKA_LeftHandRings_Patch.esp Circlets and Masks with all Robes and Hoods.esp Valuables Worth Stealing.esp Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp Qw_WACCF_ISC Patch.esp Qw_ISC_USSEP Patch.esp ISC_MRU_patch.esp ISC Enhanced Blood Patch.esp Weighted Patches.esp SoundsofSkyrimComplete.esp Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul - Skyrim.esp Quieter dungeons and undead.esp MusicMerge.esp WondersofWeather.esp Vivid WeathersSE.esp Vivid Weathers SE - Classic.esp RealRainSEVivid.esp TrueStormsSE.esp LightngDuringStorm.esp Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin SSE Version.esp Grass FPS Booster.esp Landscape Fixes For Grass Mods.esp D13 Faster Get up Stand up Animations.esp XPMSE.esp FNIS.esp FNISspells.esp More idle markers.esp Blowing in the Wind SSE.esp Blowing in the Wind - Helgen Reborn Patch SSE.esp SkyrimIsWindy.esp SkyrimIsWindy - EVT patch.esp SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp Blowing in the Wind - SMIM Merged All Patch SSE.esp DeadlySpellImpacts.esp DeadlySpellImpacts - Two Fire.esp Qw_DeadlySpellImpacts_ISC Patch.esp EmbersHD.esp FireBurns.esp imp_helm_legend.esp imp_helm_USSEP.esp OpenFaceGuardHelmetsSSE.esp Qw_WACCF_OpenFaceGuardHelmetsSE Patch.esp GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp dD-Medium Script Range.esp RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Sorted.esp Qw_RusticSoulgemsSorted_ISC Patch.esp DustEffectsSSE.esp Skysan_Icicle.esp Comprehensive Sleeves Pack.esp WACCF_Armor and Clothing Extension.esp Qw_ACE_CloaksOfSkyrim Patch.esp Qw_ACE_CRF Patch.esp Believable Crime Report Radius.esp sandboxcylinderheight.esp NoBSAIProjectileDodge.esp Realistic AI Detection 2 SE Lite.esp WetandCold.esp WetandCold - Fur Hoods Fix.esp Weather WC Patches.esp Run For Your Lives.esp Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp Enlightened College of Winterhold.esp ImmersiveLoversComfort.esp CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp OpulentThievesGuild.esp HN66 Mage Nails_Imperious Patch.esp BecomeABard.esp Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp SGEyebrows.esp Realistic Haircolors.esp Beards.esp Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp Palaces Castles Enhanced.esp ICOW Patches.esp EnhancedLightsandFX.esp Keld-Nar.esp Darkwater Crossing.esp Dawnstar.esp Ivarstead.esp Telengard.esp Helarchen Creek.esp Kynesgrove.esp Whistling Mine.esp Soljund's Sinkhole.esp Karthwasten.esp Rorikstead.esp Shor's Stone.esp Dragon Bridge.esp Bring Out Your Dead.esp Skyrim Bridges.esp Settlements Expanded SE.esp Settlements Expanded SE - Soljunds Sinkhole Patch.esp Settlements Expanded SE - Whistling Mine Patch.esp Winterhold Restored.esp JKs Skyrim.esp JKs Skyrim_Arth CRF DA DB IV RO_Patch.esp JKs Skyrim_BOYD_Patch.esp Winterhold Restored - JKs Skyrim Patch.esp Blues Skyrim.esp Blowing in the Wind - JKS_DoS_Patch.esp EOSI Patches.esp JKs Skyrim_Dawn of Skyrim_Patch.esp JKs & Dawn of Skyrim - Riften Patch.esp T'Skyrim Riverwood.esp T'Skyrim Whiterun.esp T'Skyrim Whiterun - JK's Patch.esp SRG Enhanced Trees Activator.esp notice board.esp Point The Way.esp CLARALUX SSE.esp Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp NSUTR Patches.esp Settlements Expanded SE - No Snow Under the Roof Patch.esp JKs Skyrim_Dawnstar_BOYD_NSUTR_Patch.esp Forgotten DungeonsSSE.esp Skyshards.esp Mortal Enemies - Rival Remix - NoRunWalkChanges.esp UltimateCombat.esp Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp Mortal Enemies Patch - Realistic Animals Predators.esp Skyrim Revamped - Complete Enemy Overhaul.esp Immersive Movement.esp Imm Move Patches.esp Immersive Movement - Mortal Enemies Patch.esp Immersive Movement - Wildcat Patch.esp Inigo.esp MLU Patches.esp 0Kaidan.esp Lucien.esp Lucien-MoonandStar-Patch.esp Lucien-Moonpath-Patch.esp TravellersOfSkyrim - Light.esp TravellersOfSkyrim - Dragonborn Addon.esp 3DNPC.esp Qw_3DNPC_USSEP Patch.esp Hott Interesting NPCs.esp DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp SPTDiverseGuardsSkyrimSE.esp SPTDiverseGuardsSkyrimSEMoreNords.esp Immersive Encounters.esp Immersive Wenches.esp HQ Tintmasks for Immersive Wenches.esp Immersive Wenches -SG hairs- Patch.esp CollegeStudents.esp Cats-in-SkyrimSSE.esp MoonAndStar_MAS.esp MoonAndStar_ImmersionPatch.esp middenexpandedlitesse.esp ForgottenCity.esp Purification of Skyrim.esp moonpath.esp Moonpath Music - Sky and Lighting fix - merged.esp JRMoonpathtoElsweyrPatch.esp TSR_TeldrynSerious.esp Diversity - An NPC Overhaul.esp IW Patches.esp RSChildren.esp RS Children Patches.esp Qw_WACCF_RSChildren Patch.esp SGHairPackAIO.esp IcePenguinWorldMap.esp AnotherSortingMod_2017-SSE.esp Elemental Destruction_ASM-SSE.esp SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators_ASM-SSE.esp Moonpath_ASM 2018.esp Realistic-Voice.esp Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp RAO - Alternate Start Patch.esp Better Quest Patches.esp CLARALUX Patches.esp ELFX Patches.esp Landscape Fix Patches.esp Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp RDO Patches.esp PCE Patches.esp Convenient Horses.esp YOT Patches.esp RealisticWaterTwo.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Needs Mod Patch.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp JKs Skyrim_RWT_Patch.esp WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp A lot of mods, I know. I use Tarshana's logical LO and put them all in order myself (which is a bitch to do might I add). I'm kind of a hoarder when it comes to mods. >.<
Molokkx Posted November 21, 2018 Posted November 21, 2018 Mmmmk so, let's see... 1) How to provide rig specs There's a few ways but usually, just type: system information (or just 'sys') in your Windows search bar. In the results, you should see 'System Information', click on that. And you should have a popping up window called System Information. In that window, you'll have 'System Summary' in the left column. And under that, you'll have three categories: Hardware Resources / Components / Software Environment. Each of them are drop-down lists. First, just left-click on 'System Summary' itself, and then in the right panel you'll see the general info about your system appearing. A couple of lines down you'll see 'Processor', that line tells you which CPU you have. Just check the name and tell us what it is. After that, double Left-click on Components to open its own drop-down list. In that opened list, click on 'Display' and in the right panel you'll have information about your graphics card. Just look at the name and tell us what it is. OR, another method would be... In that Windows search bar, type: settings You'll see all your system settings appear. If it's Windows 10, it should show a bunch of icons. The first one, top-right, should be called System, just left-click on that one. When that System icon opens up you'll see a list of categories on the left panel. The last one in that list should be called 'About', left-click that one. In that 'About' window, you'll see 'Device Specifications' on the right side panel. Just tell us what it shows. 2) How much 'detail' loss will you have with my suggestions Short answer, none. Longer answer: maybe some if you want to have 'better' graphics than what the game can do on its own by default (even at maximum settings). So to elaborate... My suggestions would make you run the game at its maximum settings (if your system specs allow it to start with), but those settings would be Skyrim's "vanilla" settings. Meaning that you'd still not be using ENB (assuming so, for now), and you'd probably not be using too many HD textures mods and the likes. In other words, it's possible to turn Skyrim's graphics into something considerably more beautiful than what the game can do alone, by default. But, in your case right now we're trying to troubleshoot. It's always better to do that with vanilla settings (or as close to that as possible) to eliminate potential (or clear) culprits that would be causing your stuttering issues. One of those process of elimination involves running the game at vanilla settings via default .INI values in Skyrim.ini and SkyrimPrefs.ini. So, temporarily, you'd be "losing" the potential of having better-than-default graphics for as long as we're trying to figure out what's gong on. THEN, once we fix your problem of stuttering we can start looking into making your game look better with mods, ENB and some extra .INI "tweaks" to help a bit with better LoD distance, grass stuff and so on. We'll see about that later on. For now we're trying to fix your stuttering. 3) About the mods you linked to º Frame Rate Stutter Fix That's for ENB, are you using ENB? If you're not using ENB then this 'preset' of ENB won't do anything for you to start with. Also, that mod was last updated in 2016, two years ago. The ENB series for Skyrim SE has been updated a few times since then. It's always a better idea to use the latest version of ENB. I wouldn't use one that dates back to two years myself. º SSE Engine Fixes That's a nice one. And just a side note: it's also 'modular' (I.E. can be edited manually with its own .INI file to activate or disable specific features of said 'engine fixes'). For now I think if it's properly installed then you can just leave it as-is with default values. There's two parts of that mod I believe. I used it in my previous installation (in another profile in MO2) but I'd have to check it out again to remind me of how to install it and such (to better help you in the event that it wouldn't be properly installed in your case; we never know). º SSE Fixes That one only and specifically fixes an issue that lowers FPS for users who have a CRAP TON of mods installed. I often tested this 'issue' before, dating back to Fallout 3, also tried it with Fallout 4. It took me no less than around 100+ .ESPs installed before I started to notice a little bit of FPS drops. However, in my case... admitedly my system specs were always above "recommended" for each one of the games back when they were released. So my performance with Bethesda games has never truly been a problem. My own major issues with their games has mostly been related to stability instead of performance (I.E. I'd have good performance but those games just kept crashing anyway; that's stability issues). Now, I'm not saying that in your case it wouldn't help. Maybe it does. So... I suppose that it wouldn't hurt to leave that mod installed for now regardless of how many .ESPs you have. 4) Your actual mods Load Order / list of mods installed Ok so for this one you'd have to tell us if you're even using any form of tool / program to organize, install and run your game to begin with. There's basically four options, so are you... 1) Running the game 'by default' methodology? That would be NO programs, and JUST using the game's default Launcher to activate / disable your mods. If that IS your case, then honestly you've chosen the absolute worst possible solution. And we'd probably all recommend you here to at least start using Nexus Mod Manager for a start. 2) Running the game and installing your mods and so on, with Nexus Mod Manager? If so, that's fine, keep it for now. 3) Running the game with Vortex? 4) Running the game with Mod Organizer 2? We need to know what is the method you're using to run the game and install your mods. Now, with this said, if for example you'd happen to run the game 'normally' (by default) with the regular Launcher, then your list of installed mods should be located there by default: C:\Users\[user name]\AppData\Local\Skyrim Special Edition There should be a Plugins text file there. Open it and check if it has any list of installed mods (ESPs). If so, copy and paste it here for us to see. Hope it helps!
Pru Posted November 21, 2018 Author Posted November 21, 2018 43 minutes ago, Molokkx said: Mmmmk so, let's see... 1) How to provide rig specs There's a few ways but usually, just type: system information (or just 'sys') in your Windows search bar. In the results, you should see 'System Information', click on that. And you should have a popping up window called System Information. In that window, you'll have 'System Summary' in the left column. And under that, you'll have three categories: Hardware Resources / Components / Software Environment. Each of them are drop-down lists. First, just left-click on 'System Summary' itself, and then in the right panel you'll see the general info about your system appearing. A couple of lines down you'll see 'Processor', that line tells you which CPU you have. Just check the name and tell us what it is. After that, double Left-click on Components to open its own drop-down list. In that opened list, click on 'Display' and in the right panel you'll have information about your graphics card. Just look at the name and tell us what it is. OR, another method would be... In that Windows search bar, type: settings You'll see all your system settings appear. If it's Windows 10, it should show a bunch of icons. The first one, top-right, should be called System, just left-click on that one. When that System icon opens up you'll see a list of categories on the left panel. The last one in that list should be called 'About', left-click that one. In that 'About' window, you'll see 'Device Specifications' on the right side panel. Just tell us what it shows. 2) How much 'detail' loss will you have with my suggestions Short answer, none. Longer answer: maybe some if you want to have 'better' graphics than what the game can do on its own by default (even at maximum settings). So to elaborate... My suggestions would make you run the game at its maximum settings (if your system specs allow it to start with), but those settings would be Skyrim's "vanilla" settings. Meaning that you'd still not be using ENB (assuming so, for now), and you'd probably not be using too many HD textures mods and the likes. In other words, it's possible to turn Skyrim's graphics into something considerably more beautiful than what the game can do alone, by default. But, in your case right now we're trying to troubleshoot. It's always better to do that with vanilla settings (or as close to that as possible) to eliminate potential (or clear) culprits that would be causing your stuttering issues. One of those process of elimination involves running the game at vanilla settings via default .INI values in Skyrim.ini and SkyrimPrefs.ini. So, temporarily, you'd be "losing" the potential of having better-than-default graphics for as long as we're trying to figure out what's gong on. THEN, once we fix your problem of stuttering we can start looking into making your game look better with mods, ENB and some extra .INI "tweaks" to help a bit with better LoD distance, grass stuff and so on. We'll see about that later on. For now we're trying to fix your stuttering. 3) About the mods you linked to º Frame Rate Stutter Fix That's for ENB, are you using ENB? If you're not using ENB then this 'preset' of ENB won't do anything for you to start with. Also, that mod was last updated in 2016, two years ago. The ENB series for Skyrim SE has been updated a few times since then. It's always a better idea to use the latest version of ENB. I wouldn't use one that dates back to two years myself. º SSE Engine Fixes That's a nice one. And just a side note: it's also 'modular' (I.E. can be edited manually with its own .INI file to activate or disable specific features of said 'engine fixes'). For now I think if it's properly installed then you can just leave it as-is with default values. There's two parts of that mod I believe. I used it in my previous installation (in another profile in MO2) but I'd have to check it out again to remind me of how to install it and such (to better help you in the event that it wouldn't be properly installed in your case; we never know). º SSE Fixes That one only and specifically fixes an issue that lowers FPS for users who have a CRAP TON of mods installed. I often tested this 'issue' before, dating back to Fallout 3, also tried it with Fallout 4. It took me no less than around 100+ .ESPs installed before I started to notice a little bit of FPS drops. However, in my case... admitedly my system specs were always above "recommended" for each one of the games back when they were released. So my performance with Bethesda games has never truly been a problem. My own major issues with their games has mostly been related to stability instead of performance (I.E. I'd have good performance but those games just kept crashing anyway; that's stability issues). Now, I'm not saying that in your case it wouldn't help. Maybe it does. So... I suppose that it wouldn't hurt to leave that mod installed for now regardless of how many .ESPs you have. 4) Your actual mods Load Order / list of mods installed Ok so for this one you'd have to tell us if you're even using any form of tool / program to organize, install and run your game to begin with. There's basically four options, so are you... 1) Running the game 'by default' methodology? That would be NO programs, and JUST using the game's default Launcher to activate / disable your mods. If that IS your case, then honestly you've chosen the absolute worst possible solution. And we'd probably all recommend you here to at least start using Nexus Mod Manager for a start. 2) Running the game and installing your mods and so on, with Nexus Mod Manager? If so, that's fine, keep it for now. 3) Running the game with Vortex? 4) Running the game with Mod Organizer 2? We need to know what is the method you're using to run the game and install your mods. Now, with this said, if for example you'd happen to run the game 'normally' (by default) with the regular Launcher, then your list of installed mods should be located there by default: C:\Users\[user name]\AppData\Local\Skyrim Special Edition There should be a Plugins text file there. Open it and check if it has any list of installed mods (ESPs). If so, copy and paste it here for us to see. Hope it helps! Ok here we go: Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6600K CPU @ 3.50 GHz 3504 Mhz, 4 Core(s) 4 Logical Processors 1) I use MO2 (which I'm new to but slowly learning how to use) 2) for LO I do it manually using this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xVXrGf80iH4Q6J3pFGV0DEss9y1joLUYDrSlTjzxSpc/edit?usp=sharing I mainly use LOOT to check for dirty plugins and clean them with SSEEdit and merge plugins to merge patches together to not go over the 250 mark 3) I use the first mod with the ENB, with version 3.56 of the ENB with no actual ENB installed as far as a specific one just the file off the ENB website and the mod. 4) I wasn't quite sure how to make sure that those things are off in my NVIDIA control panel. I have GeForce but didn't see an actual control panel in there, just a setting for optimize. I hope that helps with diagnosing my problem. I am beyond frustrated. I have been trying to get everything perfect since July. I FINALLY started trying to actually play and then I get this FPS BS. That's how life works though, right? >.<
Pru Posted November 22, 2018 Author Posted November 22, 2018 UPDATE: Ok so I think I figured out the culprit. I combed over what you originally wrote and then compared my mod list to what I had in the past with no fps stutters. I believe the offender was HD LOD Textures. I just don't think my computer could handle that one. Now there are no FPS stutters (for now) just tearing, jagged edges, etc. How do I make it pretty again or dare I say...even prettier without fucking up my FPS again lol? Thanks again for your help!!
Molokkx Posted November 22, 2018 Posted November 22, 2018 Alright so, you got a nice CPU, but your graphics card is on the low specs range, GTX 750Ti. That card only has 2GB of video RAM. I think THAT, mainly, is the culprit due to how you wanted to run the game (I.E. asking too much out of your card, basically). A modified Skyrim can be very taxing pretty quickly even on the best cards out there. My own card right now is a GTX 1080 (non-Ti though) with 8GB of video RAM and with ENB, along with a bunch of textures and models mods I can (if I want to) bring it to its knees and only end up having 25 or 30 FPS, or even lower. Now, you found at least one 'main' culprit in the form of that HD LOD textures mod. That's cool, it's a nice start. However, that mod in and of itself is not a culprit if the system resources are there. If you had a better GPU it wouldn't have been a culprit is basically the gist here. That's why I'd rather go back to my point saying that - ultimately - your current GPU is the culprit due to how you want to run the game (the card itself is "ok", but with only 2GB of video RAM you won't have much room for error and modding for visuals). So, some recommendations (keep in mind of course you can do whatever you want, keep modding to your hearts' content if you want to but I'd still give these following recommendations): - Due to your current GPU, I'd start by "just" running the game at Maximum settings from the Launcher first. So, basically, start up the game's Launcher, set everything in it to Maximum settings, with a reasonable resolution (well, standard would be 1920x1080, obviously) and apply it and voila. At that point the game's visuals are at their best without mods (assuming of course you do this without mods for textures). - If you DO install textures mods, then try to find specifically ones that are NOT at 4K resolution, preferably ones that the author claim are no more than "1X" or "2X" (or 1K or 2K) resolutions. If you install 4K resolutions (even 2K, due to your GPU) you WILL have performance issues, no ways around that believe me. A modified Skyrim (with extra HD textures from various mods) can easily bring the best cards out there to six feet under and then some, just to reiterate myself. Your card only has 2GB of video RAM to work with, keep that in mind. I mean even the Maximum settings in the game's Launcher might be too much. If not, then that's fine but don't push too much with textures modding beyond that, otherwise yeah you'll have issues. - Now with all this said... about removing the jaggies and removing the screen-tearing. #1 Jaggies That's now probably because there's just no Anti-Aliasing applied at all due to the testing you've done (that's fine, you just need to re-apply some now). In the SkyrimPrefs.ini, you can start by simply using TAA, it's better than FXAA in my opinion. BUT... in YOUR specific case, FXAA would provide better performance. The only 'problem' with FXAA, however, is that it acts more like an on-screen "Overlay", it blurs the screen to 'hide' the jagged edges. It is less costly than TAA, but TAA would offer an actual "true" AA method, with a crisper picture but with a bit more cost on performance. So, either activate TAA: bUseTAA=1 OR, activate FXAA: bFXAAEnabled=1 Do not use both at the same time. Now, on a side note, there is an optional AA method provided by ENB, which a lot of people prefer. But if you're using ENB without extra visual effects then I wouldn't see much reason to use it beyond using AA methods from the game. Then again, you can experiment with that, if you want. For that, you'd have to make sure that both TAA and FXAA in the SkyrimPrefs.ini are disabled (set to zero), and find your enblocal.ini file, open it and find: [ANTIALIASING] EnableEdgeAA=true <--- (just set that to true) The other way around is true concerning which AA methods to use and which one to not use. I.E.: do not use the AA from the game AND the ENB file at the same time. Either you turn it all off in the SkyrimPrefs.ini and turn it on in the ENB file, or the other way around. But never all of them on all at once. #2 Screen-tearing Now that's because there's no VSync and the game runs faster than the refresh rate of your monitor. So, go in your Skyrim.ini file: iPresentInterval=1 (under Display) And, in your SkyrimPrefs.ini: iVSyncPresentInterval=1 (under Display) Just make sure that VSync in your NVIDIA Control Panel then is set to Application-Controlled, and Triple Buffering is set to Off for a start (try to set Triple Buffering to On only if you experience performance loss with it set to Off). Now, for your Control Panel for NVIDIA settings, just go to your desktop and right-click on your desktop and click on your control panel option that should appear in the window (when you right click on your desktop, that is). It will open the NVIDIA Control Panel. Hope it helps!
Pru Posted November 22, 2018 Author Posted November 22, 2018 45 minutes ago, Molokkx said: Alright so, you got a nice CPU, but your graphics card is on the low specs range, GTX 750Ti. That card only has 2GB of video RAM. I think THAT, mainly, is the culprit due to how you wanted to run the game (I.E. asking too much out of your card, basically). A modified Skyrim can be very taxing pretty quickly even on the best cards out there. My own card right now is a GTX 1080 (non-Ti though) with 8GB of video RAM and with ENB, along with a bunch of textures and models mods I can (if I want to) bring it to its knees and only end up having 25 or 30 FPS, or even lower. Now, you found at least one 'main' culprit in the form of that HD LOD textures mod. That's cool, it's a nice start. However, that mod in and of itself is not a culprit if the system resources are there. If you had a better GPU it wouldn't have been a culprit is basically the gist here. That's why I'd rather go back to my point saying that - ultimately - your current GPU is the culprit due to how you want to run the game (the card itself is "ok", but with only 2GB of video RAM you won't have much room for error and modding for visuals). So, some recommendations (keep in mind of course you can do whatever you want, keep modding to your hearts' content if you want to but I'd still give these following recommendations): - Due to your current GPU, I'd start by "just" running the game at Maximum settings from the Launcher first. So, basically, start up the game's Launcher, set everything in it to Maximum settings, with a reasonable resolution (well, standard would be 1920x1080, obviously) and apply it and voila. At that point the game's visuals are at their best without mods (assuming of course you do this without mods for textures). - If you DO install textures mods, then try to find specifically ones that are NOT at 4K resolution, preferably ones that the author claim are no more than "1X" or "2X" (or 1K or 2K) resolutions. If you install 4K resolutions (even 2K, due to your GPU) you WILL have performance issues, no ways around that believe me. A modified Skyrim (with extra HD textures from various mods) can easily bring the best cards out there to six feet under and then some, just to reiterate myself. Your card only has 2GB of video RAM to work with, keep that in mind. I mean even the Maximum settings in the game's Launcher might be too much. If not, then that's fine but don't push too much with textures modding beyond that, otherwise yeah you'll have issues. - Now with all this said... about removing the jaggies and removing the screen-tearing. #1 Jaggies That's now probably because there's just no Anti-Aliasing applied at all due to the testing you've done (that's fine, you just need to re-apply some now). In the SkyrimPrefs.ini, you can start by simply using TAA, it's better than FXAA in my opinion. BUT... in YOUR specific case, FXAA would provide better performance. The only 'problem' with FXAA, however, is that it acts more like an on-screen "Overlay", it blurs the screen to 'hide' the jagged edges. It is less costly than TAA, but TAA would offer an actual "true" AA method, with a crisper picture but with a bit more cost on performance. So, either activate TAA: bUseTAA=1 OR, activate FXAA: bFXAAEnabled=1 Do not use both at the same time. Now, on a side note, there is an optional AA method provided by ENB, which a lot of people prefer. But if you're using ENB without extra visual effects then I wouldn't see much reason to use it beyond using AA methods from the game. Then again, you can experiment with that, if you want. For that, you'd have to make sure that both TAA and FXAA in the SkyrimPrefs.ini are disabled (set to zero), and find your enblocal.ini file, open it and find: [ANTIALIASING] EnableEdgeAA=true <--- (just set that to true) The other way around is true concerning which AA methods to use and which one to not use. I.E.: do not use the AA from the game AND the ENB file at the same time. Either you turn it all off in the SkyrimPrefs.ini and turn it on in the ENB file, or the other way around. But never all of them on all at once. #2 Screen-tearing Now that's because there's no VSync and the game runs faster than the refresh rate of your monitor. So, go in your Skyrim.ini file: iPresentInterval=1 (under Display) And, in your SkyrimPrefs.ini: iVSyncPresentInterval=1 (under Display) Just make sure that VSync in your NVIDIA Control Panel then is set to Application-Controlled, and Triple Buffering is set to Off for a start (try to set Triple Buffering to On only if you experience performance loss with it set to Off). Now, for your Control Panel for NVIDIA settings, just go to your desktop and right-click on your desktop and click on your control panel option that should appear in the window (when you right click on your desktop, that is). It will open the NVIDIA Control Panel. Hope it helps! Alright, let me give this all a go. For someone with my not so great gfx (it's my brother's desktop that i'm using while he's deployed. i have a 2012 macbook with bootcamp and a 6 year old NVIDIA card so beggars can't be choosers lol), is there a particular ENB that you recommend that won't mess with my FPS too much or just a way to "cheat"? I see screenshots and videos of all these just absolutely breathtaking things in this game and believe me, my game now compared to my first vanilla play through when this game first came out in 2011 is just mind boggling. Obviously I know, as you mentioned, that his gfx isn't great (which he plans on upgrading once he's back), so is there a good looking ENB which is also favorable to mid-level computers or just a way to make the game look better using its own settings, such as that bethini file thing (which I also have and changed so that it's changing the MO2 ini and not the skyrim ini.) Thanks again for that bit of info. I had been changing the ini files in my documents this whoooooole time while using MO. I would have never known in a million years lol. You sir, are a saint!
rb888 Posted November 22, 2018 Posted November 22, 2018 What is your power supply? I bet its not 85plus one is it?
Pru Posted November 22, 2018 Author Posted November 22, 2018 6 hours ago, rb888 said: What is your power supply? I bet its not 85plus one is it? How do I find that out?
Pru Posted November 22, 2018 Author Posted November 22, 2018 12 hours ago, Molokkx said: Alright so, you got a nice CPU, but your graphics card is on the low specs range, GTX 750Ti. That card only has 2GB of video RAM. I think THAT, mainly, is the culprit due to how you wanted to run the game (I.E. asking too much out of your card, basically). A modified Skyrim can be very taxing pretty quickly even on the best cards out there. My own card right now is a GTX 1080 (non-Ti though) with 8GB of video RAM and with ENB, along with a bunch of textures and models mods I can (if I want to) bring it to its knees and only end up having 25 or 30 FPS, or even lower. Now, you found at least one 'main' culprit in the form of that HD LOD textures mod. That's cool, it's a nice start. However, that mod in and of itself is not a culprit if the system resources are there. If you had a better GPU it wouldn't have been a culprit is basically the gist here. That's why I'd rather go back to my point saying that - ultimately - your current GPU is the culprit due to how you want to run the game (the card itself is "ok", but with only 2GB of video RAM you won't have much room for error and modding for visuals). So, some recommendations (keep in mind of course you can do whatever you want, keep modding to your hearts' content if you want to but I'd still give these following recommendations): - Due to your current GPU, I'd start by "just" running the game at Maximum settings from the Launcher first. So, basically, start up the game's Launcher, set everything in it to Maximum settings, with a reasonable resolution (well, standard would be 1920x1080, obviously) and apply it and voila. At that point the game's visuals are at their best without mods (assuming of course you do this without mods for textures). - If you DO install textures mods, then try to find specifically ones that are NOT at 4K resolution, preferably ones that the author claim are no more than "1X" or "2X" (or 1K or 2K) resolutions. If you install 4K resolutions (even 2K, due to your GPU) you WILL have performance issues, no ways around that believe me. A modified Skyrim (with extra HD textures from various mods) can easily bring the best cards out there to six feet under and then some, just to reiterate myself. Your card only has 2GB of video RAM to work with, keep that in mind. I mean even the Maximum settings in the game's Launcher might be too much. If not, then that's fine but don't push too much with textures modding beyond that, otherwise yeah you'll have issues. - Now with all this said... about removing the jaggies and removing the screen-tearing. #1 Jaggies That's now probably because there's just no Anti-Aliasing applied at all due to the testing you've done (that's fine, you just need to re-apply some now). In the SkyrimPrefs.ini, you can start by simply using TAA, it's better than FXAA in my opinion. BUT... in YOUR specific case, FXAA would provide better performance. The only 'problem' with FXAA, however, is that it acts more like an on-screen "Overlay", it blurs the screen to 'hide' the jagged edges. It is less costly than TAA, but TAA would offer an actual "true" AA method, with a crisper picture but with a bit more cost on performance. So, either activate TAA: bUseTAA=1 OR, activate FXAA: bFXAAEnabled=1 Do not use both at the same time. Now, on a side note, there is an optional AA method provided by ENB, which a lot of people prefer. But if you're using ENB without extra visual effects then I wouldn't see much reason to use it beyond using AA methods from the game. Then again, you can experiment with that, if you want. For that, you'd have to make sure that both TAA and FXAA in the SkyrimPrefs.ini are disabled (set to zero), and find your enblocal.ini file, open it and find: [ANTIALIASING] EnableEdgeAA=true <--- (just set that to true) The other way around is true concerning which AA methods to use and which one to not use. I.E.: do not use the AA from the game AND the ENB file at the same time. Either you turn it all off in the SkyrimPrefs.ini and turn it on in the ENB file, or the other way around. But never all of them on all at once. #2 Screen-tearing Now that's because there's no VSync and the game runs faster than the refresh rate of your monitor. So, go in your Skyrim.ini file: iPresentInterval=1 (under Display) And, in your SkyrimPrefs.ini: iVSyncPresentInterval=1 (under Display) Just make sure that VSync in your NVIDIA Control Panel then is set to Application-Controlled, and Triple Buffering is set to Off for a start (try to set Triple Buffering to On only if you experience performance loss with it set to Off). Now, for your Control Panel for NVIDIA settings, just go to your desktop and right-click on your desktop and click on your control panel option that should appear in the window (when you right click on your desktop, that is). It will open the NVIDIA Control Panel. Hope it helps! Ok so I definitely can’t have vsync on. I figured out how to open the Nvidia control panel and tried vsync adaptive and triple buffering but got the stutter. Is there any way around vsync that will fix or at least alleviate the tearing? It’s very immersion breaking ?
Molokkx Posted November 22, 2018 Posted November 22, 2018 Hey there. Yeah, ok so turn off all forms of VSync, and go in your enblocal.ini: [LIMITER] EnableFPSLimit=true FPSLimit=60.00 I mentioned this in one of my posts Just make sure that VSync is turned off in your NVIDIA Control Panel (or you can set it to Application-Controlled, but try it set to Off for now). And also make sure that it's disabled (set to zero) in your Skyrim.ini (iPresentInterval=0) and SkyrimPrefs.ini (iVSyncPresentInterval=0). I mentioned which values they are in my previous posts.
Pru Posted November 23, 2018 Author Posted November 23, 2018 On 11/21/2018 at 12:40 AM, Molokkx said: Soooo... a 'workaround' with that is to install ENB, and limit the game's FPS via that little, fantastic almost-magic-level tool that a genius developed (and I'm serious about the genius part, never would have been able to actually play Fallout 3 to start with without ENB; same thing with 32-bit Skyrim). Now, are you actually using ENB? If not, download it. And, don't worry, yes ENB is "mostly" a mod that relates to esthetic and visual changes... BUT, those can be turned Off and you can just use the 'fixes' provided by it. And also a feature is to be able to limit the game to ANY frames-per-second you want (in the ENB's own .INI file). (Almost forgot) ENB direct download (specifically for Special Edition): http://enbdev.com/enbseries_skyrimse_v0356.zip - Now, assuming you ARE using ENB but perhaps did NOT try to limit FPS via that tool, then go to the following ENB file (located where your Skyrim itself is installed): enblocal.ini under [LIMITER] - EnableFPSLimit=true - FPSLimit=60.00 That's it. However, you might also notice in the same file, just above, under [ENGINE], there's values for VSync. So, while you have the 'Limiter' activated, it would be best to turn that VSync value to 'false'. It's called ForceVSync=true (it's set to 'true' by default, I think). Try the Limiter with that VSync value to 'false', first. See if it helps. If not, however, keep the Limiter activated but try to turn that VSync value to 'true'. You should be fine by leaving the other line (VSyncSkipNumFrames=0) to default value. Question: how would I go about installing the enb? Do I just extract it and put the whole file into my directory folder where skse and the launcher are?
Molokkx Posted November 23, 2018 Posted November 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Pru said: Question: how would I go about installing the enb? Do I just extract it and put the whole file into my directory folder where skse and the launcher are? Yep. There's a folder called WrapperVersion, you extract what's in it, and put that stuff where your Skyrim is installed. It's the enbseries folder itself, and all the rest; to where your Skyrim is installed. Then, in your Mod Organizer, of course, make sure that you run the game via SKSE64, it should look like this: So that when you click on 'Run', the game starts up via SKSE64, instead of running without it. And, yeah, about ENB, so when it's installed, you then just go manually edit some things in the enblocal.ini file as needed, or as you see fit to experiment on your own. The enbseries folder itself contains the files necessary to apply various visual effects. Most mods out there that are for ENB are offering various 'presets' of visual effects values found inside one or more of those files (inside the enbseries folder). Usually, those mods are very small when you download them since all they contain are one, or sometimes a few more of those files that you'd then copy and paste inside your enbseries folder and overwrite whatever file it needs to (to apply new presets for different visual styles). If you want to run ENB without applying its various extra visual effects, and just run it for its 'fixes' and features (like limiting the frame rate, or applying its own method of VSync or Anti-Aliasing) then you have to disable ENB's effects (obviously), otherwise they'll always be applied in your game. Now, with the enbseries.ini you can experiment, and either turn all effects Off, or turn some of them Off and some of them On. For a nice knowledge base of info on what ENB effects (in the enbseries.ini) do what in the game, check this guide: https://wiki.step-project.com/Guide:ENBseries_INI/Effect Hope it helps
rb888 Posted November 23, 2018 Posted November 23, 2018 On 11/22/2018 at 9:11 AM, Pru said: How do I find that out? Take photo of your power supply in your case or you using labtop? Mine enermax power supply 920 sliver 85 plus its 7 years old still kicking awesome. Plus they don't make sliver anymore. Also download cpu z it show you info on your system more clearer too. It wouldn't hurt boost ram up to 32 like mine. https://www.cpuid.com/downloads/cpu-z/cpu-z_1.87-en.exe
Dvisraak Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 Hello can I ask help in here. I got constant hitching and stuttering issues every few seconds. Here is my modlist and plugin list modlist.txt plugins.txt
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