Sexy Vanilla Armors Circulated in Skyrim (CIS)

[AerowynX]

5 minutes ago, Nretsmah said:

Because of the way CISCore interacts with my CIS patches, technically only one patch needs to have outfit replacers. Since they all use a universal set of leveled lists, it only takes one set of replacers.

 

I tried this out in game to make sure that I wasn't lieing. I wasn't. I spawned in some Mjolls, who's outfit was only modified by Sexy Vanilla Armor CIS. Her clones were equipped with a combination of Sexy, Girl Heavy and vanilla armor. Woot woot!

nice

[DatWombat]

3 minutes ago, AerowynX said:

nice

What other mods do you have installed that conflict in regards to outfits? I'd like to check out some mods that could conflict with the CIS series, and look into ways that I can resolve them. 

[AerowynX]

9 minutes ago, Nretsmah said:

What other mods do you have installed that conflict in regards to outfits? I'd like to check out some mods that could conflict with the CIS series, and look into ways that I can resolve them. 

the big one was book of uunp.. but warmonger has a couple and of course guards overhaul .. but for guards overhaul the guards being in uniform based on city is fine for me.. but with book of uunp you can just remove the outfits record and should be fine.. it adds the armors to basic leveled list anyway.. also there is an addon my for summermyst to add enchanted variants of that mods armors as well

[DatWombat]

19 minutes ago, AerowynX said:

the big one was book of uunp.. but warmonger has a couple and of course guards overhaul .. but for guards overhaul the guards being in uniform based on city is fine for me.. but with book of uunp you can just remove the outfits record and should be fine.. it adds the armors to basic leveled list anyway.. also there is an addon my for summermyst to add enchanted variants of that mods armors as well

Alrighty then. I'll give those an install and check 'em out. I'm not totally sure how to make my compatibility patches, but the first idea that comes to mind is "merging" them with CISCore.

 

That would mean making them use the same leveled lists as CISCore, allowing them to work with any other mod with CISCore as a dependency (such as CIS patches or other patched mods) 

 

Again, I'm not sure if this would be considered the most ideal way to accomplish what I'm trying to do, but I'm confident that it'll work. Furthermore, I think it'll be a solution that'll be user-friendly to new modders. 

 

All you'd need is CISCore, any number of my patches, and Wyre Bash or Mator Smash. 

[AerowynX]

9 hours ago, Nretsmah said:

Alrighty then. I'll give those an install and check 'em out. I'm not totally sure how to make my compatibility patches, but the first idea that comes to mind is "merging" them with CISCore.

 

That would mean making them use the same leveled lists as CISCore, allowing them to work with any other mod with CISCore as a dependency (such as CIS patches or other patched mods) 

 

Again, I'm not sure if this would be considered the most ideal way to accomplish what I'm trying to do, but I'm confident that it'll work. Furthermore, I think it'll be a solution that'll be user-friendly to new modders. 

 

All you'd need is CISCore, any number of my patches, and Wyre Bash or Mator Smash. 

So looking at it anything added by lootification would not work with CIS as the lootfication master file uses all the same outfit references

New Bitmap Image.bmp.. well not everything but lot of outfits overlap.. and of course that's assuming the npc uses a outfit record these touch.. ugh this is a big pain heh

[DatWombat]

2 hours ago, AerowynX said:

So looking at it anything added by lootification would not work with CIS as the lootfication master file uses all the same outfit references

New Bitmap Image.bmp.. well not everything but lot of outfits overlap.. and of course that's assuming the npc uses a outfit record these touch.. ugh this is a big pain heh

Question. Does Lootification edit non-vanilla outfits in addition to vanilla? For example, does Lootification edit outfits provided by OBIS? 

 

I have another (half-baked) idea. I've been deeply pondering the predicament we are in. I was thinking, maybe when you are merging mods together, you can tell which ever software you're using to not combine outfits. That way, you can have something like Lootification handle all your outfits. I'm not sure if Lootification would be able to handle CIS's enchanted gear though.

[AerowynX]

23 minutes ago, Nretsmah said:

Question. Does Lootification edit non-vanilla outfits in addition to vanilla? For example, does Lootification edit outfits provided by OBIS? 

 

I have another (half-baked) idea. I've been deeply pondering the predicament we are in. I was thinking, maybe when you are merging mods together, you can tell which ever software you're using to not combine outfits. That way, you can have something like Lootification handle all your outfits. I'm not sure if Lootification would be able to handle CIS's enchanted gear though.

looking at OBIS it uses 4 standard outfits and all the custom ones just link back to base item records anyway so that mod wouldn't be any sort of problem.. but in general no lootification doesn't pull custom outfits it just distributes items from the mod to its list of outfit records so similar to what CIS does. It also adds enchanted versions as well.. not many mods seem to use very specific custom outfits aside from ones that purposefully want only that gear on a specific group of NPCs like the Guard Overhaul one

[DatWombat]

Just now, AerowynX said:

looking at OBIS it uses 4 standard outfits and all the custom ones just link back to base item records anyway so that mod wouldn't be any sort of problem.. but in general no lootification doesn't pull custom outfits it just distributes items from the mod to its list of outfit records so similar to what CIS does. It also adds enchanted versions as well

Hmm. . . I just noticed that my Bashed Patches don't deal with my mod's outfit records. This means that my CIS mods (very late in my load order) take priority, which while ideal on my end isn't ideal overall. I suppose I'll have to do more research on the topic today, but I'm starting to get stumped. The fact that my outfit templates aren't being merged is also problematic, as it limits my ability to troubleshoot and experiment. Does Mator Smash merge outfits?

[AerowynX]

10 minutes ago, Nretsmah said:

Hmm. . . I just noticed that my Bashed Patches don't deal with my mod's outfit records. This means that my CIS mods (very late in my load order) take priority, which while ideal on my end isn't ideal overall. I suppose I'll have to do more research on the topic today, but I'm starting to get stumped. The fact that my outfit templates aren't being merged is also problematic, as it limits my ability to troubleshoot and experiment. Does Mator Smash merge outfits?

yea wyre bash doesn't handle outfit records.. mator smash handles a lot more records overall.. and yes mator smash merges outfit records.. but that is still the problem even merged the game will only choose the last outfit record

[DatWombat]

14 minutes ago, AerowynX said:

yea wyre bash doesn't handle outfit records.. mator smash handles a lot more records overall.. and yes mator smash merges outfit records.. but that is still the problem even merged the game will only choose the last outfit record

That's a bit problematic. It sounds like we're in a bit of a pickle! I'm just trying to reach for a solutions here. I might give Mayor Smash a shot tonight, and see if I can recreate the problems you're having, so I cam troubleshoot. We might just have to bite the bullet and deal with finnicky outfits.

 

Maybe we could come up with work-arounds. Custom NPCs on CIS' behalf would allow you to see some NPCs with gear that might be overidden by other outfits.

 

At the very least, at least our leveled lists are working proper. 

 

Maybe I won't have to upload CIS patches without outfit template replacers, if they are going to act up like this anyways.

 

I'll see if I can patch a few mods together using CISCore, but I'll need to recreate your problem in a controlled setting. 

[AerowynX]

4 minutes ago, Nretsmah said:

That's a bit problematic. It sounds like we're in a bit of a pickle! I'm just trying to reach for a solutions here. I might give Mayor Smash a shot tonight, and see if I can recreate the problems you're having, so I cam troubleshoot. We might just have to bite the bullet and deal with finnicky outfits.

 

Maybe we could come up with work-arounds. Custom NPCs on CIS' behalf would allow you to see some NPCs with gear that might be overidden by other outfits.

 

At the very least, at least our leveled lists are working proper. 

 

Maybe I won't have to upload CIS patches without outfit template replacers, if they are going to act up like this anyways.

 

I'll see if I can patch a few mods together using CISCore, but I'll need to recreate your problem in a controlled setting. 

Guard Overhaul(https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/83314) is good one to test the outfit thing on.. place that towards the bottom of your load order and even with the outfit records having multiple options merged in for guard outfits it will only use the last one every time

[DatWombat]

2 minutes ago, AerowynX said:

Guard Overhaul(https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/83314) is good one to test the outfit thing on.. place that towards the bottom of your load order and even with the outfit records having multiple options merged in for guard outfits it will only use the last one every time

Alrighty then. I was thinking about just making a mod that replaces Mjoll the Lioness' outfit with ebony armor (or any armor  for the matter) and mergjng said mod with Sexy Vanilla Armor CIS. Ideally, she should spawn with three different sets of iron armor (CIS patches and vanilla) AND ebony. Maybe she'll only spawn with ebony armor, as per the problem you're having.

[AerowynX]

5 minutes ago, Nretsmah said:

Alrighty then. I was thinking about just making a mod that replaces Mjoll the Lioness' outfit with ebony armor (or any armor  for the matter) and mergjng said mod with Sexy Vanilla Armor CIS. Ideally, she should spawn with three different sets of iron armor (CIS patches and vanilla) AND ebony. Maybe she'll only spawn with ebony armor, as per the problem you're having.

yea she would only spawn with whatever the last one in the outfit is.. only way around is making your own outfit add all the armors then put that outfit record as the last record in her outfit.. big pain in the ass

[DatWombat]

12 minutes ago, AerowynX said:

yea she would only spawn with whatever the last one in the outfit is.. only way around is making your own outfit add all the armors then put that outfit record as the last record in her outfit.. big pain in the ass

Hmm. . . That's really too bad. We might have to bite the bullet on this one. It would nice if a mod tool was able to do what just mentioned. Personally, I intend on letting the CIS series handle all of my outfits, but it sucks how they won't play nicely with other mods in regards to outfits. It sounds like you'll just have to let one mod handle your outfits. Maybe Lootification will be your best bet, since it covers the most ground. I'll probably hold onto my CIS outfits, as they will provide the most options in regards to diversity. 

 

That or you could spend an obscene amount of time in TES5edit hahaha

[AerowynX]

6 minutes ago, Nretsmah said:

Hmm. . . That's really too bad. We might have to bite the bullet on this one. It would nice if a mod tool was able to do what just mentioned. Personally, I intend on letting the CIS series handle all of my outfits, but it sucks how they won't play nicely with other mods in regards to outfits. It sounds like you'll just have to let one mod handle your outfits. Maybe Lootification will be your best bet, since it covers the most ground. I'll probably hold onto my CIS outfits, as they will provide the most options in regards to diversity. 

 

That or you could spend an obscene amount of time in TES5edit hahaha

haha yea unfortunately it seems how the outfit records are designed it's best to let one core mod handle them all to get the most diversity from them

[DatWombat]

1 hour ago, AerowynX said:

haha yea unfortunately it seems how the outfit records are designed it's best to let one core mod handle them all to get the most diversity from them

Yeah I hear ya. I hope the CIS series will be expansive enough to replace the need for mods like Lootification in smaller load orders. I currently have under 200 mods, and just a handful of armor mods, making CIS patches very manageable. 

 

For someone with a mod order like yours, I'd imagine you'd want a tool to handle outfits. At the very least, my mods should affect most of your NPCs. 

[AerowynX]

31 minutes ago, Nretsmah said:

Yeah I hear ya. I hope the CIS series will be expansive enough to replace the need for mods like Lootification in smaller load orders. I currently have under 200 mods, and just a handful of armor mods, making CIS patches very manageable. 

 

For someone with a mod order like yours, I'd imagine you'd want a tool to handle outfits. At the very least, my mods should affect most of your NPCs. 

lootification is nice as it does include enchanted variants but it doesn't cover all recods either.. side by side your CIS has more total outfit coverage and leveled list records.. but the upside with lootification it takes mere minutes to add 100 new armors to my game.. SSE version of doesn't seem to like weapons though it errors out everytime for me.. think it may be because lootification was written for oldrim and I know the weapon record name was modified a bit so might be the issue.. i don't know java well enough to look into that.

[DatWombat]

21 minutes ago, AerowynX said:

lootification is nice as it does include enchanted variants but it doesn't cover all recods either.. side by side your CIS has more total outfit coverage and leveled list records.. but the upside with lootification it takes mere minutes to add 100 new armors to my game.. SSE version of doesn't seem to like weapons though it errors out everytime for me.. think it may be because lootification was written for oldrim and I know the weapon record name was modified a bit so might be the issue.. i don't know java well enough to look into that.

Lootification looks like an awesome mod, it's just not something I want to to rely on. I still need to give a few of your mods installs to make patches, but I'm still open for ideas. I think I'll make a public "to-do" list, but I'm not sure where. Maybe I should make a dedicated page or somethin'. 

 

I'm not too familiar with Java either, but maybe that's something that should be brought up on the forums or with the author. 

[AerowynX]

25 minutes ago, Nretsmah said:

Lootification looks like an awesome mod, it's just not something I want to to rely on. I still need to give a few of your mods installs to make patches, but I'm still open for ideas. I think I'll make a public "to-do" list, but I'm not sure where. Maybe I should make a dedicated page or somethin'. 

 

I'm not too familiar with Java either, but maybe that's something that should be brought up on the forums or with the author. 

the two people that did lootification SSE converts seem to have abandoned them so unless someone else takes over guess it's as good as it will be

[DatWombat]

3 minutes ago, AerowynX said:

the two people that did lootification SSE converts seem to have abandoned them so unless someone else takes over guess it's as good as it will be

That's too bad. I'd think mods like Lootification would receive more support for SSE. It seems like a very flexible way to deal with loot distribution in Skyrim, without all the unnecessary features other mods like it add.

[AerowynX]

9 minutes ago, Nretsmah said:

That's too bad. I'd think mods like Lootification would receive more support for SSE. It seems like a very flexible way to deal with loot distribution in Skyrim, without all the unnecessary features other mods like it add.

yea for sure

[DatWombat]

37 minutes ago, AerowynX said:

yea for sure

While we're talking about loot mods, do you have any suggestions for mods with the goal to add loot? I'd like to provide a "recommended mods" list with the CIS patches, especially for mods that'll work great with them. 

[AerowynX]

3 hours ago, Nretsmah said:

While we're talking about loot mods, do you have any suggestions for mods with the goal to add loot? I'd like to provide a "recommended mods" list with the CIS patches, especially for mods that'll work great with them. 

hmm well most i use i have mentioned in the thread already..  there are tons of great single armors for sure but sucks as you need an esp for each one or make your own pack by merging which makes doing a CIS for that sorta very specific since the person would need all those mods then merge them..  i have 2 big merges of tons of single armors i love.. i guess ideally would be getting permissions from people to make your own super pack and make a CIS for it so you can share the pack and the CIS.. permissions can be a pain sometimes as many creators are long gone.. i dunno what rules are here about sharing stuff like that.. i know nexus is pretty strict about it sometimes

[AerowynX]

4 hours ago, Nretsmah said:

While we're talking about loot mods, do you have any suggestions for mods with the goal to add loot? I'd like to provide a "recommended mods" list with the CIS patches, especially for mods that'll work great with them. 

melodic has some awesome stuff here i really wanna make a pack of his stuff.. one example.. has a lot of very not lore friendly stuff as well but could piece out a good pack for sure from all on this post 

 

 

[AerowynX]

oh another good resource for armors http://wtfuun.tumblr.com/