Avahashija Posted July 4, 2018 Posted July 4, 2018 OK, seems there are more out there then me who tries to make FP Mods and AAF work together ? Just a small thread to maybe bundle the experience of testers^^ My current tests: Only FP - no AAF: Install only FP Mods with RSE and FPE - animations via FP - it works quite stable. (See my Mods in attachment) FP mixed with AAF: Install FP, remove FP and FPComPa, install AAFCP: RSE - partially working CSA is broken - Mod Author is heavily working on update for AAF. SexEmUp - Works once or twice - after save game - restart - CDT FP Mods like Prostitute - Works well FPE - completely not working MCG - partially working, wrong Values FPA, FPA HUD - wrong Values FPSH - seems working My conclusion for the moment: If you want a stable - working - playable environment with limited Animations - stay with ONLY FP and don't install AAF If you are like me^^ and want to test and start 20 times a day a new game - go for AAF In the moment we are in a transition phase to replace the limited FP Animations with the AAF Framework. Compared to Skyrim it is like AAF = FNIS. And i realy remember how long it took to have a working FNIS^^ The concept for AAF goes into the right direction - separate Animations and Mods Recommendation for all new users - stay with only FP - don't go for AAF in the moment if you want to play. If you go for AAF - double check each time that you have all mods on the LATEST release - check Nexus, check LL and then think twice to post some bug reports. I hope some others share there experiences here with me^^ Ava Abbreviations : FP: four play FPComPa: four play community patch RSE: realistic salacious encounters CSA: submod from RSE - combat outcomes FPE: family planning enhanced MCG: magno cum gaudio FPA: four play attributes FPSH: four play sexual harassement AAF: advanced animation framework AAFCP: advanced animation framework combpatibility patch FP Setup: AAF Setup:
Sulphur.999 Posted July 4, 2018 Posted July 4, 2018 I've been playing with the FP mods under AAF also. I'm a natural troubleshooter so this is kind of like fun to me. I guess. Using AAF 77, AAF compatibility patch 2.6 and Polistro Leito patches. Anim packages Leito, SavageCabbage and Atomic Lust (as well as the other file he has that I can never remember the name of. It's named after him. [facepalm]) I have not updated F04 to .98 yet, nor my f4se. (I'm on 69 I think. Rawr) SEU: I've had the same experience with SEU. The main trigger key works once. MAYBE twice (and I may be imagining that as I can't reproduce it.) The dialog works multiple times if I don't let my character bump uglies with anyone tho. As long as my character doesn't have sex everything works as intended. My followers can and the dialog keeps working. The "passive" key works as intended all the time. The main trigger keeps working if you sneak and assault but just the generic dialog option only works once if my character engages in any shenanigans. But it DOES work that one time. (I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good ONCE as I ever was. (*ahem)) Fast travel or internal cell travel has no effect. I can restart the game and it works again, once. I can't remember if I tried quicksave/load quicksave or not so no comment on that. I've not had ANY CTD so that's a new one to me. Autonomy Enhanced: As far as I can tell Autonomy Enhanced works entirely as intended. I have not tried Vinfamy's version, just the Enhanced by Flashy. The only issue I've seen is I don't always get the dialog as the npcs approach each other but that could be as simple as I'm too far away. Sometimes I see 'em, sometimes I don't. Mindless Sex: Appears to work as intended tho it's only really useful to initiate orgies. Occasionally npcs engaging in the cluster . . . um, participating in the orgy will use the same furniture as another couple, so they occupy the same space. (SavageCabbage anims use furniture!) The gun seems unnecessary due to the AAF wizard so I don't use it, tho I'm pretty sure it worked fine when I first loaded/tried it. (The AAF wizard does get a little slow if you have a lot of settlers/slaves (JustBusiness) /companions about. It takes a bit to populate it so your mileage may vary.) Prostitution: Appears to work but the girls only get busy "working" once each restart, so if I fast travel to my brothel town multiple times I only get action the first time. The brothel safe never gets above 200 caps. It only has less if I empty it. When I empty it it never regains any caps, even after several days. (It's supposed to be populated with caps, whatever your girls earn I presume, every 2 in game days.) Clients will approach me and I can have the party and I can approach them to get it started. I know when I first loaded it I was approached basically every 30 sec, it was such a pain in the ass I couldn't get a prostitute recruited. Of course at the time I didn't know that I could manipulate that and make the horny bastards slow down. I'm inclined to say that this time I was only approached when I turned it on, but I could just be being impatient, because I'm impatient. The caps you receive go up and down with your charisma. So, other than the brothel mechanic it works pretty well. SEU prostitution pays better. Just sayin'. Heh. Vanilla Fudge: Works as intended as far as I can tell. I did have the guy from greentop nursery come all the way to Red Rocket just to try to bang me, and I hadn't even finished the quest yet, so, there's that. I'm sure it was VF because it used the VF dialog to proposition me. I thought it was weird, personally. It's a pretty fair walk for a . . . interlude! Violate: Violate worked up until I got to the end of the first rape scene. The problem I had was being given control long enough to shoot someone in the face just to have it taken back and it never getting back on track. Who'd a thunk killing a raider would be a bad idea!? If I'd of been patient and let it play out (I didn't know there would be 4 scenes) it may have worked. I know I've read others who say it's working for them. Pretty curious as to why I had a weapon at that point as I thought it was supposed to strip me clean. I haven't tried messing with RSE yet. Just gonna wait until Flashy says it's ready for prime time on AAF. I'm not the least bit interested in having a pregnant character so I haven't messed with family planning. Yet. Those are what I've experimented with so far, and what I found playing around with 'em. If I can add any more, or there or any questions, hit me up. Hell, you can sick me on something and I'll probably try it out or see if I can verify what you're saying. I like to try to figure things out.
Avahashija Posted July 4, 2018 Author Posted July 4, 2018 Thanks a lot for your info's ? I will check Violate - i don't use it since i switched to FPSH. RSE and all the modules in it covering 75% of my playstyle. I am more on the "submissive" side in FO4 - then on the "dominant" side. Thats the reason i like the CSA Module in RSE so much - what a pitty its not working in the moment. I never tried to run a Brothel in FO4 - maybe a good reason to test it now. I always make a new game if i test the mods. - Question: is there a way to test them without start the game anytime new? Ava
Sulphur.999 Posted July 4, 2018 Posted July 4, 2018 You can use Fallrim tools to "clean" your save. It will remove scripts that aren't actually doing anything. So if you uninstall a mod, log in (you'll get the warning that the mod is missing) and make a save. Then load THAT save into fallrim tools. It has MOSTLY worked for me, but I'm a noob with it and I have broken the shit out of my saves a couple of times. Don't be stupid, like me. Make a copy of your save before you start jacking around with it. But seriously, I think I've borked my save twice out of probably 30 times using it. Give it a go!https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/5031/ <-- Fallrim Tools.
Avahashija Posted July 4, 2018 Author Posted July 4, 2018 Thanks - just downloading and testing it.... I think i used it in Skyrim but made bad experience with it there.... Lets see how it works in FO4. Ava
VonHelton Posted July 4, 2018 Posted July 4, 2018 SEU & Family Planning, the 2 most important mods for immersion DO NOT WORK in AAF!! This is my 5th install of the game, trying (in vain) to get notifications & belly to work in Family Planning & get SEU's main key to work beyond 2 times. Of course, the mod author bailed back when Vinfamy did, so we're tits up ATM....... ???
Avahashija Posted July 4, 2018 Author Posted July 4, 2018 hmm..... seems i need to take a look into the source code then... FP is a must for me^^ Ava
VonHelton Posted July 4, 2018 Posted July 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, Avahashija said: hmm..... seems i need to take a look into the source code then... FP is a must for me^^ Ava And SEU!! Don't forget SEU!!! ?
VonHelton Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 BREAKING: Someone in another thread claims that 4Play & AAF play nice together! I'm going to test this & see what happens! ?
Sulphur.999 Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 I saw that. Previously the only post I've read that said they were playing well together said that they were using AAF for the rufgt "intimate" stuff, kissing, dining in, 69 stuff and fourplay for everything else. I gotta assume he/she was only using Leito/Crazy besides that as SavageCabbage requires AAF. (And all due respect to Crazy, next to the others his animations aren't as good. They were awesome starter animations, but the new ones, and Leito are killing it.) Having said all that, if it works for ya, TELL US WHAT YOU DID!!!111 Heh.
Avahashija Posted July 5, 2018 Author Posted July 5, 2018 Ok, i found the idea in the other thread to not install the AAF proxy. Shure that works - i tested it already. But what happens is - that all the FP mods use the very limited FP animations. You can use the AAF animations if you trigger manually scenes. So you have then installed two "nutshells" - one is FP mods with FP animations and in paralell AAF without any functionality and trigger out of the FP mods. I think its not the result we all want to go for. But its working^^ maybe a temp solution with all the cons and pros..... Ava
Sulphur.999 Posted July 6, 2018 Posted July 6, 2018 Might be worth it to experience Violate correctly to tell the truth. We're on the edge of this thing. Can't wait to see what's next.
Avahashija Posted July 6, 2018 Author Posted July 6, 2018 In the moment i have switched back to FP only.... cause it works well with all the nice mods... I will install the AAF in paralell without proxy to see how it works and how stable it is.... I think all the FP mods like RSE FPE FPSH etc... needs a bunch of reprogramming so it can work with the AAF... If i have some time i will try to take a look into the source code - but it will need some time. Ava
VonHelton Posted July 6, 2018 Posted July 6, 2018 THE UNION OF 4PLAY & AAF WAS A HUGE SUCCESS! YOU LITERALLY CAN HAVE YOUR CAKE & EAT IT TOO!
VonHelton Posted July 7, 2018 Posted July 7, 2018 https://videos.utahgunexchange.com/watch/making-4play-aaf-play-nice_LITTz2X6KluhbBq.html
Gelfling Posted July 15, 2018 Posted July 15, 2018 Can I say thank you for this post, I've been using FP and its relevant mods pretty much successfully, but was confused that there was also AAF and didnt know if one was redundant or something. I'm very glad and thankful for all the work you all put into this, and that the adult modding of FO4 hasnt stopped, because I was getting ready for a change from Skyrim.
Avahashija Posted July 21, 2018 Author Posted July 21, 2018 oh my... ...after 2 weeks of testing and starting a hundred times a new game - i am realy torn between FP and AAF... FP: Is realy stable - all FP mods work like a charm together - RSE and FPE are working realy nice... ...but the positioning System is sometimes buggy in rough terrain - and the Animations are realy realy limited... AAF: The old FP mods are workink completely buggy and unstable. Even Flashy said RSE under AAF is buggy like hell... ...but the animations are sooooo nice - and soooo many.... and the positioning System works like a charm.... In the moment i am realy torn... i am bored of the always the same FP Animations - but i like the gameplay with the mods in RSE like the Abduction and DD implementation.... Pregnancy is working realy well for NPC's too... AAF has soooo fucking nice Animations - but the mods are working realy buggy - some stuff will never be triggered - some stuff works only one time... ...but the option to start Animations are so simple with the AAF Framework.... I think i will live with the AAF stuff in the moment - install new mods and test them - merge some and wait for the other FP mods until they are converted to work together with AAF... trigger some AAF Animations manually... if i am in the mood - and build a little bit some new settlements... If i am in the mood - maybe i will script some basic stuff - but i am a little bit busy with private stuff in the moment... If someone has a clue or some nice solutions - even they are beta - let me know - i am willing to test stuff. Greets to all Ava My current AAF Loadlist in MO:
Sulphur.999 Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 I've come to the same conclusion. For better or worse AAF is the future. While I'd like to experience RSE and such it's not worth limiting all the rest of my gameplay (animation wise) with 4play. I am very grateful to the authors of that mod and the one's that use it, but the future is now and I'll wait until the surging platform matures. In the meantime Ivy and I will bang our way around the wastelands trying new stuff out and seeing what kind of trouble we can cause The Commonwealth. I've yet to play with the aaf port of seu. RSE doesn't work AT ALL and I'm too stupid to fix that one. I'm using a mod called JustBusiness that gives me some very limited dialog options to start shenanigans. I'm still using Autonomy Enhaced, it works. Then I just f11 the crap out of anyone that comes too close. I wonder how long it takes to learn a new programming language when you haven't messed with that sort of thing in "a while." *cough
gunthererickson Posted August 2, 2019 Posted August 2, 2019 On 7/4/2018 at 1:34 PM, Sulphur.999 said: I've been playing with the FP mods under AAF also. I'm a natural troubleshooter so this is kind of like fun to me. I guess. Using AAF 77, AAF compatibility patch 2.6 and Polistro Leito patches. Anim packages Leito, SavageCabbage and Atomic Lust (as well as the other file he has that I can never remember the name of. It's named after him. [facepalm]) I have not updated F04 to .98 yet, nor my f4se. (I'm on 69 I think. Rawr) SEU: I've had the same experience with SEU. The main trigger key works once. MAYBE twice (and I may be imagining that as I can't reproduce it.) The dialog works multiple times if I don't let my character bump uglies with anyone tho. As long as my character doesn't have sex everything works as intended. My followers can and the dialog keeps working. The "passive" key works as intended all the time. The main trigger keeps working if you sneak and assault but just the generic dialog option only works once if my character engages in any shenanigans. But it DOES work that one time. (I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good ONCE as I ever was. (*ahem)) Fast travel or internal cell travel has no effect. I can restart the game and it works again, once. I can't remember if I tried quicksave/load quicksave or not so no comment on that. I've not had ANY CTD so that's a new one to me. Autonomy Enhanced: As far as I can tell Autonomy Enhanced works entirely as intended. I have not tried Vinfamy's version, just the Enhanced by Flashy. The only issue I've seen is I don't always get the dialog as the npcs approach each other but that could be as simple as I'm too far away. Sometimes I see 'em, sometimes I don't. Mindless Sex: Appears to work as intended tho it's only really useful to initiate orgies. Occasionally npcs engaging in the cluster . . . um, participating in the orgy will use the same furniture as another couple, so they occupy the same space. (SavageCabbage anims use furniture!) The gun seems unnecessary due to the AAF wizard so I don't use it, tho I'm pretty sure it worked fine when I first loaded/tried it. (The AAF wizard does get a little slow if you have a lot of settlers/slaves (JustBusiness) /companions about. It takes a bit to populate it so your mileage may vary.) Prostitution: Appears to work but the girls only get busy "working" once each restart, so if I fast travel to my brothel town multiple times I only get action the first time. The brothel safe never gets above 200 caps. It only has less if I empty it. When I empty it it never regains any caps, even after several days. (It's supposed to be populated with caps, whatever your girls earn I presume, every 2 in game days.) Clients will approach me and I can have the party and I can approach them to get it started. I know when I first loaded it I was approached basically every 30 sec, it was such a pain in the ass I couldn't get a prostitute recruited. Of course at the time I didn't know that I could manipulate that and make the horny bastards slow down. I'm inclined to say that this time I was only approached when I turned it on, but I could just be being impatient, because I'm impatient. The caps you receive go up and down with your charisma. So, other than the brothel mechanic it works pretty well. SEU prostitution pays better. Just sayin'. Heh. Vanilla Fudge: Works as intended as far as I can tell. I did have the guy from greentop nursery come all the way to Red Rocket just to try to bang me, and I hadn't even finished the quest yet, so, there's that. I'm sure it was VF because it used the VF dialog to proposition me. I thought it was weird, personally. It's a pretty fair walk for a . . . interlude! Violate: Violate worked up until I got to the end of the first rape scene. The problem I had was being given control long enough to shoot someone in the face just to have it taken back and it never getting back on track. Who'd a thunk killing a raider would be a bad idea!? If I'd of been patient and let it play out (I didn't know there would be 4 scenes) it may have worked. I know I've read others who say it's working for them. Pretty curious as to why I had a weapon at that point as I thought it was supposed to strip me clean. I haven't tried messing with RSE yet. Just gonna wait until Flashy says it's ready for prime time on AAF. I'm not the least bit interested in having a pregnant character so I haven't messed with family planning. Yet. Those are what I've experimented with so far, and what I found playing around with 'em. If I can add any more, or there or any questions, hit me up. Hell, you can sick me on something and I'll probably try it out or see if I can verify what you're saying. I like to try to figure things out. Greetings. I wanna know how to make Mindless sex work with AAF. Many thanks
mashup47 Posted August 2, 2019 Posted August 2, 2019 On 8/2/2019 at 5:38 PM, gunthererickson said: Greetings. I wanna know how to make Mindless sex work with AAF. Many thanks AAF already dose that? just press the HomeKey and select Actor/Actors, Select Animation, Press play. If your trying to get Mindless sex work with AAF then it can't be done now as the patch that enabled FourPlay and FourPlay mods to work together with AAF has been taken down.
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