afro-herbalist Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 Hey, I just updated Skyrim to the latest version after staying all this time on 1.3. The only reason I deliberately stayed on that version is because Skyboost (seemingly the best performance enhancer) isn't compatible with higher versions, and when combined with ENB speed-hack, you can run Skyrim even on a modest computer, at high settings. Anyway, like I said, I just got the update, tried to run the game, got told my SKSE was now outdated, so I updated that (thinking that would be the last of my annoying gripes), and finally got to the menu. Clicked on continue. So far everything working nicely, I'm looking at some penis shaped rock with a hole at the top waiting for the loading screen to end, then 10 secs later the game just ups and closes on me! WTF? No errors, no warnings, no anything, just "BAM", GONE. The game used to work fine on 1.3, I think it might have crashed 3 times out of being played well over 100 times, and now I finally update, the game cant even get past the frigging loading screen without crashing miserably on my ass. Has anyone else had this problem? How can I fix this? I really want to play Skyrim, but I want to stay upto date now, so I can use other mods, and get the other newly added features! Help a dude out! Please!! Edit: It shouldn't be load order related, since I haven't changed anything but the version of the game.
afro-herbalist Posted October 6, 2012 Author Posted October 6, 2012 I've just updated my Skyrim from 1.3 to 1.7, but now the game wont even get past the damn loading screen. The only thing I can think it might be, is that theres a small possibility that one or more of my 100 or so mods, isn't compatible with any version of skyrim between 1.4-1.7. Finding out what these mods are myself though would be nothing short of a biblical task, so I just wondered if any of you fellow Skyrim gamers could try to help me out by posting any mods that you know DEFINITELY dont work with recent versions of Skyrim. Dont worry, to avoid confusion or crossed wires, I'll post all the mods I have. Heres the list:- 0.Update 1.Apachii Hair 2.Skyrim Monster Mod 1.Dawnguard 3.Deathcam 60 secods 4.Easy Lift Bodies 5.Blue Jeans 6.Dynasty Armour 7.Pushup Bikini 8.Nalim Catsuit1 9.DVd (I dont even know what this is...) 10.Ritter Armour 11.Heliage Mutter Armour 12.Argent Armour 13.Leere Armour 14.Inner Wear Set 15.Astaroth Suit 16.Eisen Platte Armour 17.Hentai Maxi Armor 18.Hentai Mixed CBBE3 Armour 19.Hentai Void Armour 20.Hentai Nightmare Armour 21.Hentai Saber Dress 22.Hentai Jamella Armour 23.Kaws Cat Disguise 24.Hana 25.Fiona Outfit 26.Party Time 27.Saphire Speak Fix 28.Brynjolf Dialogue Fix 29.Shadow Striping Fix 30.MageRobes Comment Fix 31.Whiterun Lighting Fix 32.Lydia Can be Married 33.SOS-Dungeons 34.SOS-Wilds 35.Puppeteer Master 36.Wabba-ori_proj 37.FNIS Spells 38.Straponbyaeonv1 39.People have torches 40.Lydia can you wear 41.Sekirei 42.Claymore 43.Crimson Tide - Blood 44.Better Dynamic Snow 45.AnimeticaSena 46.Gatti7Siggy 47.AnimeticaKobato 48.Gatti8Irma 49.Sextoys Calyps2 50.BBP Fantasy (I dont have BBP and perfect 1.3 yet, but this was always active before the crashing) 51.SkyMoModLists 52.Gatti9Reina 53.Monster Hunter 54.AnimeticaHaruhi 55.Dovakin Mercenary Armour and Weaponry 56.Proper Aiming 57.Remodelled Armour 58.Follower Map Markers 59.Neos Witch 60.Succubus CBBE3 61.Juliet 62.DQ3 Sage Outfit 63.Kara 64.DCSorceress 65.Seraphim Standalone 66.Nevermind Gothic Set 67.Jacksh Jill Armour 68.Easy Lift Bodies Light Only 69.Morrigan Armour 70.Hotaru 71.AyameNArmour 72.SailorVArmour 73.Goldlady Armour 74.KasumiNinja Armour 75.BabyDollArmour 76.VillageGirlArmour 77.ClairArmour 78.Doom Heavy Set 79.JuliaArmour 80.Neos Oriental Dress 81.CelineArmour 82.SaberArmour 83.Neos Scouter Set 84.RoadStrokersRogueSorceress 85.BloodWitchArmour 86.Flame Atronach 87.TS_Fetish Pantyhose Outfits Theres around 15 or so other mods but they aren't enabled, and never have been as of yet, so I assume wouldn't even come into the equation right? Edit: It seems like the new update has taken my carefully tuned load order, and just let off a bomb in there. NOTHING is in the right place anymore, and it even seems some mods that were deactivated are now activated... WTF is wrong with Bethesda? Is it possible to restore your old load order somehow (like an undo feature), because this is EXACTLY what that god damn BOSS utility did to Oblivion, and the only way to undo the damage it did to my game was to re-order over a hundred mods, ONE, by painstaking one. Testing the game with each change. This took days, not hours. I never want to have to go through that CRAP again, ever lol. I almost threw the book at TES completely (if you understand the exression)... Can anybody help me out here? Thanks
Ark of Truth Posted October 6, 2012 Posted October 6, 2012 Ww need your entire load order not just 23 mods. Armour, items & weapons cen cause CTD as well. Do NOT double post either please. Please delete this one. http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=12362&pid=253140#pid253140
afro-herbalist Posted October 6, 2012 Author Posted October 6, 2012 Okay I will put together the entire list. Damn this is going to take some time! Does anybody know a quicker way of doing this other than memorising 3 mods, then typing them here, and repeating 70+ times LOL? I saw one guy post a "HTML" list on here. Does that mean he's somehow copied the entire list and just pasted it here? Thanks, I'll get on it!
Ark of Truth Posted October 6, 2012 Posted October 6, 2012 If you read the post here before posting you would of known how. http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=10682 Plus technical support request like this should be placed here. http://www.loverslab.com/Forum-Technical-Support--45
gregathit Posted October 6, 2012 Posted October 6, 2012 Okay I will put together the entire list. Damn this is going to take some time! Does anybody know a quicker way of doing this other than memorising 3 mods' date=' then typing them here, and repeating 70+ times LOL? I saw one guy post a "HTML" list on here. Does that mean he's somehow copied the entire list and just pasted it here? Thanks, I'll get on it! [/quote'] http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=10682 The above post tell you how to get your entire load order (with zero typing) via Wrye Smash. If you are using NMM then you are just plain out of luck. One of the many reasons not to use that POS! To answer your question, updating your game can break mods as some mods can't handle the new coding or some other conflict arises. Until you post your entire load order no one can really begin to help you.
afro-herbalist Posted October 6, 2012 Author Posted October 6, 2012 If you read the post here before posting you would of known how. http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=10682 Plus technical support request like this should be placed here. http://www.loverslab.com/Forum-Technical-Support--45 I DID read that post, which is why I mentioned the load order in my other thread about 1.7 not working in Technical Support. I thought this was a more genaral question rather than explicitly technical (or more like it teeters between the two categories), which is why I posted it here. I dont have Wyre Bash, Smash or BOSS because in the past those programs have caused nothing but headaches and problems that have only made things worse. Hold tight, the load order is being fully added.
gregathit Posted October 6, 2012 Posted October 6, 2012 Edit: It seems like the new update has taken my carefully tuned load order' date=' and just let off a bomb in there. NOTHING is in the right place anymore, and it even seems some mods that were deactivated are now activated... WTF is wrong with Bethesda? Is it possible to restore your old load order somehow (like an undo feature), because this is EXACTLY what that god damn BOSS utility did to Oblivion, and the only way to undo the damage it did to my game was to re-order over a hundred mods, ONE, by painstaking one. Testing the game with each change. This took days, not hours. I never want to have to go through that CRAP again, ever lol. I almost threw the book at TES completely (if you understand the exression)... Can anybody help me out here? Thanks [/quote'] The way around this for both oblivion and skyrim is to use wrye and "lock" your load order. Then you can run boss and preview what it wants to do without actually changing anything. Unfortunately because you did not use the lock feature you are going to end up having to reorder your mods by hand. This is one of those live and learn deals unfortunately. Also it is a good idea to make a txt file of current load order so you can refer to it if you ever need to.
Ark of Truth Posted October 6, 2012 Posted October 6, 2012 I dont have Wyre Bash' date=' Smash or BOSS because in the past those programs have caused nothing but headaches and problems that have only made things worse. Hold tight, the load order is being fully added. [/quote'] Then what are you using? and please stop editing your posts it's frustrating having too scroll up and down to find new information in old posts.
afro-herbalist Posted October 6, 2012 Author Posted October 6, 2012 Im using the standard NMM. It might be shit, and it might be from a site run by complete w*nkers, but its simple, and it does what it says on the tin. @Gregahit: Maybe I'll start looking into Bash & Smash then, but I tried bash, and like BOSS; getting used to it was an ABSOLUTE nightmare (but unlike BOSS, it didn't destroy my game), so I got rid of it, and I'm not the type of person to give up as soon as things get deep. I do a lot of 3D modelling, Synth programming, and even dabble in Unrealscript programming, and things can get stupidly deep. Im nearly giving up with Unrealscript, but not if I can make a revelation in the next few weeks lol. The way I kept a backup of my load order in Oblivion (after recovering from the BOSS crisis), was just printscreening, scrolling down a page, and repeating until done, then joining the images in Photoshop LOL. Stupid, but it worked!
Ark of Truth Posted October 6, 2012 Posted October 6, 2012 Well your not going to be able to fix your issue using NMM. To be honest if it 'does what it says on the tin' then your reading the wrong label. Boss is easy to use, to be fair you shouldn't be maybe looking at Bash, Smash and BOSS you should be using them already. If you disable all mods apart from the main game and official DLC does it load?
afro-herbalist Posted October 6, 2012 Author Posted October 6, 2012 Well your not going to be able to fix your issue using NMM. To be honest if it 'does what it says on the tin' then your reading the wrong label. Boss is easy to use' date=' to be fair you shouldn't be maybe looking at Bash, Smash and BOSS you should be using them already. If you disable all mods apart from the main game and official DLC does it load? [/quote'] The process of elimination hasn't begun yet, I've only just finished writing that list.
gregathit Posted October 6, 2012 Posted October 6, 2012 @Gregahit: Maybe I'll start looking into Bash & Smash then' date=' but I tried bash, and like BOSS; getting used to it was an ABSOLUTE nightmare (but unlike BOSS, it didn't destroy my game), so I got rid of it, and I'm not the type of person to give up as soon as things get deep. I do a lot of 3D modelling, Synth programming, and even dabble in Unrealscript programming, and things can get stupidly deep. Im nearly giving up with Unrealscript, but not if I can make a revelation in the next few weeks lol. [/quote'] http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/35230 The above is a pictorial guide to help you get the basics of using wrye down. Once you have the basics I think you will be pleased with how much better it works. The way I kept a backup of my load order in Oblivion (after recovering from the BOSS crisis)' date=' was just printscreening, scrolling down a page, and repeating until done, then joining the images in Photoshop LOL. Stupid, but it worked! [/quote'] Hey, it is a bunch of work but it certainly isn't stupid. You can obtain your load order with either OBMM or Wrye with a couple of mouse clicks and a simple copy paste. Link to thread to tell you how if you ever get back into playing with oblivion: http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=6133 --- As to your crashing: Try disabling 43.Crimson Tide - Blood and see if that helps. That mod has been known to cause problems on past updates. Also, you may need to look at getting an updated copy of SKSE along with possibly updating FNIS. Each new update of skyrim seems to break FNIS.
afro-herbalist Posted October 6, 2012 Author Posted October 6, 2012 Damn. Im not sure if this is good news or bad news, but it certainly seems to be one or more mods that is causing this... Thanks I'll give those links a good read! I just disabled everything except the vanilla files, and its working now. Heres something strange too: Somebody told me once that if you had any spell mods, and later disabled them; your game will crash every time you goto the general stats screen (and that happened to me once, I thought it was party-time that caused that), however, thats not happening now, and I had atleast 2 spell mods! Phew! Okay I'll make a note of Crimson Tide while I start to re-enable the mods. I've got the updated SKSE BTW (Skyrim wouldn't even start with the old one lol), and I'll make sure to update FNIS and check for any other mods that have updates now. Crimson Tide... I love that mod, I really hope that isn't the culprit! Right now I'm just happy that the games working again though! TES is one of the only games I play on PC these days. Its one of those "true PC games" IMO. I probably will get into Oblivion again soon, because I DID eventually fix the load order. Its strange, but I always liked the more bold, colourful and unrealistic style of Oblivion, over the harsh, barren greys of Skyrim (although Skyrims style fits its setting perfectly I guess). Another thing I miss from Oblivion are the random little villages, not just full blown towns. I might try this mod that makes all the mountains and rockfaces brown too, to add a bit more colour. And now I can FINALLY use mods like UFO! Lets hope its as good as it sounded when it first came out! Edit:I just cut out 30 mins of testing, and decided to enable all the armours in one go, and thank god it wasn't ANY of them (thankfully it wasn't my beloved Crimson Tide either)! Now it should only take a few minutes to find the cause, since armours make up probably 75% of my mods! Edit: Something weird is going on here! I've now disabled, then systematically re-enabled EVERY mod that was previously active. So logically I should've reached one that crashed the game. Well, the game is working again for some reason that I shouldn't question, but I kind of want to lol. It seems like NONE of these mods are incompatible with versions above 1.3, so long as you disable all of them, load the game, quit, then re-enable them all. Its like the game needed "breaking into its new skin" or something, it needed a clean start. Im not sure this is it, but as far as I can tell (for anyone having similar problems), you have to start the game clean once, then everything will be okay. You dont have to make a clean save, and all my other saves seem to be working! Tomorrow I'll look into those other programs and utilities. Its about 5AM now so I better call it a night! cheers!
XunAmarox Posted October 8, 2012 Posted October 8, 2012 When I came back to my game and all of my high level saves got CTD I disabled two mods... Proudspire.esp and Cowardly horses.esp; I haven't tested which it was yet, but after disabling those two mods my saves were accessible again. Had to update my SKSE & Script Dragon too.
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