What mod managers do you use?

[eroeronomi]

NMM, Wrye Bash, BOSS, hmmm what's the Skyrim equivalent of OBMM/FOMM?

Anyways, all the programs you use to install/uninstall your mods, manage load order,etc etc etc.

 

I'm making this thread to get a general idea of what I need to get to manage mods before getting mod.

 

I know the basics is OBMM/FOMM, Wrye Bash, BOSS, but that's when I "played" NV/Oblivion, sad to say I could never play them more than a few days before something went wrong and I have to uninstall and give up. So to all of the successful people, please tell me what programs you use to manage your files! So that I hopefully get somewhere, lol.

 

P.S. I just need the basic "MUST HAVEZZZ!" stuff (Don't need anything excessive because I'd be sad if I installed all that stuff and went on a mod installing spree and something happens and I gotta uninstall everything ), which based on my "experience" would be a mod manager to deal with package install/uninstall, Bash for archive installation with BAIN, use of Bashed patch to bypass mod limit and make it more coherent without conflicting with each other, and BOSS for best load order.

 

P.S.S. I'm asking because I'm just really curious what everyone uses, because no matter what I do I never really get far before some mod conflict with each other, missing texture, bla bla bla and game over, lol, and then I'd try to fresh again a few months later....

[Ark of Truth]

Skyrim doesn't have a equivalent yet, at least not work that works without corrupting your saves. Its just copy and paste at the moment.

[eroeronomi]

Woah really? Is Bash/BOSS still used though? Don't really see how not having a mod manager would effect everything that much as FOMM/OBMM complemented the other programs solely with package installation like .fomod/.omod, if there isn't a mod manager for Skyrim then no one would make package files of a mod.... and it'd just be copy and paste/manual install, which BAIN could do, and easily uninstall as well!, or at least that's what I think.

[srayesmanll]

NMM is the (near) equivalent to FOMM. NMM was built upon the original FOMM code base. Take a search through prideslayers various posts about FOMM/NMM - he has some good insights on it. I personally haven't used FOMM with FONV - I only started modding with Skyrim, and the only Mod Manager I knew about was NMM. When I went back to play Oblivion & FONV, I used NMM and it worked fine. I keep trying to talk myself into trying FOMM whenever I start a new PC in FONV, but I forget and install everything with NMM. It also handles installing .fomod files just fine (haven't played Oblivion in a while so not sure if it handles .omod files). Most people's aversion to NMM seems to be the fact that it's now a Nexus product, it requires a login to use (THAT I find crappy for them to do), has some features from FOMM removed (not sure what those were specifically), and finally people claim the ever-popular "It's SPYWARE!!!"

 

As far as other things to use - BOSS is a necessity for load order setting in my opinion. It doesn't handle everything, but handle enough to make the rest easier. Never used Wrye Bash - people seem to swear by it, others find it to complicated. My understanding was that it wasn't truly compatible with Skyrim, but that may have changed.

[eroeronomi]

Well, for me the reason I've been steering clear from NMM, is well, the "N" part, which stands for Nexus, Nexus isn't the only place that I get mods from, and while there are a lot of stuffs on there and many people seems to one way or another be led there/use it, it isn't the source of all the mods in the world. I kinda got this misconception that NMM is somehow tied to Nexus(Nexus is nice for mainstream mods and all, but I'm more interested in obscure ero mods made by Japanese modders that I need to google to find lol) and you need to go on the internet and log in or whatever and if something happens to the site, it all goes downhill lol, sorry if my assumption here is wrong.

 

 

edit: whelp I just installed NMM, oh well, experiencing new things LOL. Now I have NMM, Wrye Bash, and BOSS installed. Anything else I need?

[srayesmanll]

To noobs like I was, Nexus just happens to have the big name in neon. I didn't know the other options until I was already indoctrinated. I still hit Nexus because frankly it's easier for us lazy people. I use NMM for installing everything, including the Sexout mods here on LL (FONV). I just got in the habit of zipping (really, 7zip) loose esps, then drop the .7z files in the "Mod" folder for the appropriate app (Ob/F3/FONV/Sk). Really, the only tie to Nexus is if you go to Nexus and use the "Download with NMM" option (and the auto login bullshit I mentioned before). And hell, with the problems they've been having with their servers recently, I've had to download a lot of stuff manually anyway. I just drop it in the NMM Mod folder and install with NMM.

 

"you need to go on the internet and log in or whatever and if something happens to the site" - this is the only thing that worries me with NMM. However, during the last 2-3 weeks, NMM could not connect to Nexus to check for newer mods versions (again, nice if you download from Nexus), yet I was able to use it normally. So who knows. Again though, use what you know. If you are familiar with Wrye Bash, use it. There is a version that another modder has done some fixes on that's available...on Nexus:D

[eroeronomi]

I just use the "download with mod manager" button to install SkyUI, the author insisted with a "RECOMMEND TO USE NMM" so I thought why not.

 

But anyways, even if I use Nexus next time, if the stuff inside the archive isn't confusing and I can manual install, I'd rather use BAIN to install the archive than let NMM do it, I mean yeah NMM can do it and all but, I trust Bash/BAIN more as it can detect conflict and if I have most of my stuff on NMM and crap happens how am I to fix it?

 

Btw does anyone know if NMM is "integrated" into Wrye Bash? I mean in Bash if you have FOMM or OBMM or BOSS installed there's an icon on the buttom to launch said stuff, but i don't see any for NMM so I guess Wrye doesn't "support" NMM?

[srayesmanll]

From my understanding it actually has not been updated to be fully "Skyrim compliant", whatever that means. So it probably doesn't support NMM. In the notes on that other version I mentioned being on Nexus (http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/1840), he mentions that the original devs for Wrye Bash are MIA (of course the last update on the note was on Nov 28 2011 - 2.5 weeks after Skyrim was released, so take that for whatever it means). With a quick non-indepth internet search, I could not find any info specific to a skyrim version of wrye bash. However, the Nexus blogs have plenty of people who mention using it for Skyrim.

[eroeronomi]

I just uninstalled NMM, didn't like it lol. Dunno why but when I installed CBBE + CHSBHC with it the texture was messed up.

 

I don't know if this is changed or I remembered wrongly but. You need CBBE for CHSBHC, and that's exactly how I approached it, install CBBE in NMM, then installed CHSBHC in NMM/overwrite. For some reason I couldn't use unarmed combat..... and when I got a axe out, some sort of pipe was stuck on the character's leg, the boob didn't bounce and there was this big seam line below the torso LOOOLZ... And I can't find CHSBHC thread... there used to be one on LL>>>what happened?

[srayesmanll]

Hold your hands... Next time read instructions

 

Seriously though, the installation instructions on the site require you install a specific skeleton BEFORE installing CBBE. Check in the options section before the installation section. This has changed, it used to be you installed the skeleton etc from Cherry's first, then CBBE if you wanted BBP. Don't know when it changed - I haven't used cbbe for a while and focused more on FONV mod development.

 

As for NMM, best thing to do is what you did. Try it for yourself. If you like it, use it. If not, don't. By the way, not all mods can be installed through NMM even though they can be downloaded through NMM.

[eroeronomi]

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I checked the nexus page for both, LL thread as well, I can't find it......

I want to install CHSBHC, do I need to install CBBE first? What about the skeleton?

 

 

edit: I seemed to have done it somehow...... downloaded CHSBHC first and then CBBE, I didn't use Bash, I just manual installed it. If stuff happens I'll never know, then $%^$#%^%$#%^ it, I suck at modding. I'll uninstall and quit for good then.