Nord_Master_Race Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 I'm currently playing on a heavily modded Skyrim. I just started the Civil War as a Stormcloak. After opening the Drawbridge during Battle for Whiterun, I'm supposed to enter Whiterun and take the fight to Dragonsreach.  However, whenever I activate the gates of Whiterun, my Skyrim crashes to desktop without a message. Also, for some reason, as I tried to load the save it once crashed with the message "Skyrim has stopped working".  Here is my load order:  0  0 Skyrim.esm  1  1 Update.esm  2  2 Dawnguard.esm  3  3 HearthFires.esm  4  4 Dragonborn.esm  5  5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp  6  6 Falskaar.esm  7  7 SomeguySeries.esm  8  8 ApachiiHair.esm  9  9 ApachiiHairMales.esm  10  a ApachiiHairFemales.esm  11  b BSAssets.esm  12  c Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm  13  d BSHeartland.esm  14  e SexLab.esm  15  f SexLabAroused.esm  16 10 Devious Devices - Assets.esm  17 11 ZaZAnimationPack.esm  18 12 Devious Devices - Integration.esm  19 13 daymoyl.esm  20 14 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm  21 15 ImmersiveBountyHunting_Bandits.esm  22 16 Devious Devices - Expansion.esm  23 17 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm  24 18 HighResTexturePack01.esp  25 19 HighResTexturePack02.esp  26 1a HighResTexturePack03.esp  27 1b Slut.esp  28 1c Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp  29 1d LoreWorthyBandits.esp  30 1e ISD_DragonspearCraft.esp  31 1f SkyUI.esp  32 20 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp  33 21 Mortal Enemies.esp  34 22 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp  35 23 WetandCold.esp  36 24 WetandCold - Ashes.esp  37 25 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp  38 26 Perk Points at Skill Levels 50-75-100.esp  39 27 When Vampires Attack.esp  40 28 VioLens.esp  41 29 BetterShapedDragonBling.esp  42 2a CraftableSilverWeapons.esp  43 2b dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp  44 2c Pupetteer Master.esp  45 2d dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp  46 2e Duel - Combat Realism.esp  47 2f 3DNPC.esp  48 30 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp  49 31 IcicleValley.esp  50 32 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp  51 33 Legendary Skyrim Crossbows.esp  52 34 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp  53 35 greatswords.esp  54 36 Skyrim Unbound.esp  55 37 Point The Way.esp  56 38 Personalized Music v 6.0.esp  57 39 smfArena1.8.esp  58 3a Inconsequential NPCs.esp  59 3b Populated Dungeons Caves Ruins.esp  60 3c Run For Your Lives.esp  61 3d Cloaks.esp  62 3e Immersive Weapons.esp  63 3f YOT - Your Own Thoughts.esp  64 40 RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp  65 41 Killable Children.esp  66 42 Killable Children - Quest Important Protected.esp  67 43 RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp  68 44 SMIM-Merged-All.esp  69 45 Better Vampires.esp  70 46 Ars Metallica - Legendary Edition.esp  71 47 BetterShapedDawnbreaker2H.esp  72 48 dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp  73 49 RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp  74 4a JanusForbeare's Fighting Words.esp  75 4b Immersive detection of NPC.esp  76 4c SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp  77 4d MixedUnitTactics.esp  78 4e Ars Metallica - LSC Patch.esp  79 4f Brawl Bugs CE.esp  80 50 NPC Knockout Overhaul.esp  81 51 CombatSurrender.esp  82 52 FNIS.esp  83 53 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp  84 54 skoomaeffect.esp  85 55 Leave Combat.esp  86 56 Footprints.esp  87 57 GoToBed.esp  88 58 GoToBed - Hearthfire coffins fix.esp  89 59 RND_GoToBed-Patch.esp  90 5a SleepTight.esp  91 5b TavernGames.esp  92 5c SexLab SexChat.esp  93 5d SexCrime.esp  94 5e ContinueGameNoCrash.esp  95 5f SFO - Dragonborn.esp  96 60 Lock Overhaul.esp  97 61 Hott Interesting NPCs.esp  98 62 imp_helm_legend.esp  99 63 1nivWICCloaks.esp 100 64 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp 101 65 ImperialSoldiersEscortFix.esp 102 66 imp_helm_dawn.esp 103 67 imp_help_dbrn.esp 104 68 DawnguardDarkAlly.esp 105 69 Visible Favorited Gear.esp 106 6a Dr_Bandolier.esp 107 6b Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp 108 6c DeadlyDragons.esp 109 6d DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp 110 6e Private Needs Discreet.esp 111 6f SimplyKnock.esp 112 70 potscooldown.esp 113 71 SOS - Leito Addon.esp 114 72 RaceMenu.esp 115 73 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 116 74 SOS Schlong Controller.esp 117 75 SOS Equipable Schlong.esp 118 76 GreenWaterFix_v2withDawnguard.esp 119 77 WetFunction.esp 120 78 28 Days and a Bit 5.esp 121 79 sanguinesDebauchery.esp 122 7a ImmersiveBountyHunting.esp 123 7b Populated Forts Towers Places.esp 124 7c Populated Lands Roads Paths.esp 125 7d Immersive Wenches.esp 126 7e Hunterborn.esp 127 7f Populated Cities Towns Villages.esp 128 80 AK- Alternate Actors.esp 129 81 Immersive Patrols II.esp 130 82 BloodOfTheNord.esp 131 83 SofiaFollower.esp 132 84 furrycommentfix.esp 133 85 Religion.esp 134 86 SexLab_Dialogues.esp 135 87 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp 136 88 RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp 137 89 Darkend.esp 138 8a TimingIsEverything.esp 139 8b Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 140 8c SOS - Shop.esp 141 8d daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp 142 8e Chesko_WearableLantern.esp 143 8f Hunterborn_WearableLantern-Patch.esp 144 90 RND_AnimalLoot.esp 145 91 StormLord.esp 146 92 Populated Skyrim Prisons Cells.esp 147 93 Immersive Speechcraft.esp 148 94 jknjbTavernBrawls.esp 149 95 Populated Skyrim Civil War Patrols.esp 150 96 WellsOfSkyrimRND.esp 151 97 Populated Skyrim Civil War Battles.esp 152 98 alcoholiceffect.esp 153 99 DeadlyMutilation.esp 154 9a Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp 155 9b Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp 156 9c tbmChrysamere.esp 157 9d Equipping Overhaul.esp 158 9e ReyneFlamesword.esp 159 9f Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp 160 a0 ApachiiHelmetWigs.esp 161 a1 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp 162 a2 SD Addons.esp 163 a3 Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp 164 a4 BlackLand.esp 165 a5 NakedComments.esp 166 a6 DIVERSE SKYRIM - Immersive Patrols Patch.esp 167 a7 YOT - Hunterborn.esp 168 a8 YOT - Wearable Lanterns.esp 169 a9 YOT - Better Vampires.esp 170 aa YOT - Moonlight Tales.esp 171 ab Devious Deviants.esp 172 ac Convenient Horses.esp 173 ad LootandDegradation.esp 174 ae XPMSE.esp 175 af SOSRaceMenu.esp 176 b0 moveit.esp 177 b1 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp 178 b2 SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp 179 b3 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp 180 b4 vAutosaveManager.esp 181 b5 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp 182 b6 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp  I use Ordenator to optimize textures.  My system specs:  Processor: Intel® Core i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz  Video Card: Intel® HD Graphics 530  Video Card #2: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M  RAM: 8.0 GB  Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 (build 15063), 64-bit  I use Skyrim Script Extender and Enboost.
ajelic Posted July 27, 2017 Posted July 27, 2017 You could try to use the console and port your PC to an cell within whiterun or the city itself. Dragonsreach for example "coc whiterundragonsreach" ...
loopie Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 That part of the game had huge issues and was unstable even on completely unmodded Skyrim. Add to that you are running a lot of mods which add NPCs, actually a ton of them, and most likely texture / effect / script mods which don't have an esp to show up in your load order. The sheer amount of NPCs generated during any of the big battles will crash your game. Your game has what ? 2, 3, 4 times as many ? Â Â In addition you are running the grosly outdated and bugridden and unoptimized Bethesda High Resolution pack, without even the patch for it. Not sure if ordenator helps with this, or to what extent. That alone will often overload and distabilize a game. You can just completely get rid of it. if you want to go with a texture pack use one of the good, optimized, popular ones from nexus instead, or you don't need any if you used ordenator. If you were to put in the patch for it now, after running ordenator over it, no idea what effect it would have on your game, may mess it up even more. Â If you are on Win 10, then your game is limited to 4 GB of ram. With what you got, there is no way you can run the large battle scenes unless you really optimize your game, remember, 4GB of Ram, is all the game uses, regardless of your system specs. Â You can try make a new game, see if it works, then once you have a new character set-up, including all MCM stuff, save several times, then load from within that game (another words, kinda manually pre-load a bunch of your stuff). This sometimes helps. I would also recommend you load an older save and dismiss / send home any followers you currently have. Â But no matter what, you just have too much of everything. NPCs, textures, climate and lighting effects, and I don't even know which body, textures and outfits you are using for your player, that can significantly add to it also. Even if you get it to finally load, it will be a giant PITA to actually finish it. Â
Nord_Master_Race Posted July 31, 2017 Author Posted July 31, 2017 That part of the game had huge issues and was unstable even on completely unmodded Skyrim. Add to that you are running a lot of mods which add NPCs, actually a ton of them, and most likely texture / effect / script mods which don't have an esp to show up in your load order. The sheer amount of NPCs generated during any of the big battles will crash your game. Your game has what ? 2, 3, 4 times as many ? Â Â In addition you are running the grosly outdated and bugridden and unoptimized Bethesda High Resolution pack, without even the patch for it. Not sure if ordenator helps with this, or to what extent. That alone will often overload and distabilize a game. You can just completely get rid of it. if you want to go with a texture pack use one of the good, optimized, popular ones from nexus instead, or you don't need any if you used ordenator. If you were to put in the patch for it now, after running ordenator over it, no idea what effect it would have on your game, may mess it up even more. Â If you are on Win 10, then your game is limited to 4 GB of ram. With what you got, there is no way you can run the large battle scenes unless you really optimize your game, remember, 4GB of Ram, is all the game uses, regardless of your system specs. Â You can try make a new game, see if it works, then once you have a new character set-up, including all MCM stuff, save several times, then load from within that game (another words, kinda manually pre-load a bunch of your stuff). This sometimes helps. I would also recommend you load an older save and dismiss / send home any followers you currently have. Â But no matter what, you just have too much of everything. NPCs, textures, climate and lighting effects, and I don't even know which body, textures and outfits you are using for your player, that can significantly add to it also. Even if you get it to finally load, it will be a giant PITA to actually finish it. Thanks for the help.
Nord_Master_Race Posted August 7, 2017 Author Posted August 7, 2017 You could try to use the console and port your PC to an cell within whiterun or the city itself.  Dragonsreach for example "coc whiterundragonsreach" ... Well, it works, but the things is I can SOMETIMES enter whiterun without problems, however, a lot of the time it crashes. And even when I DO enter Whiterun, the quest doesn't progress. The objective is supposed to update to "take the fight to the streets of Whiterun" or something, but nothing happens. I also can't take a screenshot for some reason. Another problem is my autosaves don't work anymore. I disabled them completly after a few crashes during autosaves, but when I tried to re-enable them they stopped working and never autosave anymore. Sorry for the late reply because I was away from home for a while.  Well, I've not been experiencing those issues on SSE but I wanted to play the original Skyrim simply because of a lot of my favorite mods require SKSE. I guess Skyrim is not built for so many mods... Because I've run out of ideas.
ajelic Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017  You could try to use the console and port your PC to an cell within whiterun or the city itself.  Dragonsreach for example "coc whiterundragonsreach" ... Well, it works, but the things is I can SOMETIMES enter whiterun without problems, however, a lot of the time it crashes. And even when I DO enter Whiterun, the quest doesn't progress. The objective is supposed to update to "take the fight to the streets of Whiterun" or something, but nothing happens. I also can't take a screenshot for some reason. Another problem is my autosaves don't work anymore. I disabled them completly after a few crashes during autosaves, but when I tried to re-enable them they stopped working and never autosave anymore. Sorry for the late reply because I was away from home for a while.  Well, I've not been experiencing those issues on SSE but I wanted to play the original Skyrim simply because of a lot of my favorite mods require SKSE. I guess Skyrim is not built for so many mods... Because I've run out of ideas.  You could always try to simply disable some mods just to get trough this quest or cheat through the queststage via console. ''  The best thing you can do in this case is always to simply disable some mods, try it again and again until you find the cause of your crash.
Kakabishan Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 Easiest way to find out if any mod is conflicting and causing CTDs in the whiterun area is to open up Tes5Edit with all your mods and see if any changes are made to the cell of Whiterun. Disable that and work your way through to see the offending mod. If it still occurs, it might be a faulty mesh added from a mod that is spawned that could cause a CTD. In any case, having the mod Crash Fixes helps immensely. Unfortunately crashes in any Beth games are really hard to point towards, just gotta do a process of elimination most of the time
Nord_Master_Race Posted December 17, 2017 Author Posted December 17, 2017 I stopped playing Skyrim for a while... some months I'd say, due to this bug. However, recently I started playing again. I tried to do absolutely everything to fix this error, but it seems not to be mod related whatsoever. It's a bug, and the only way to fix it is by reloading the save from before one receives this quest. So I used console commands to finish this quest, but recently I also have been experiencing random CTDs... It's probably mod related. I tried to disable some script heavy mods like Wet and Cold, Footprints, Duel - Combat Realism, all three, to no avail. Also, I had this SKSE script called Safety Load which may have caused some of the crashes, but the problem is that even when I removed it from my SKSE plugins and reinstalled SKSE itself, the script somehow seems to still be there. I cleaned my saves too. Nonetheless, no matter what I did somehow I ended up randomly crashing at some point. I ended up creating a new save and playing from there however at about level 5 I couldn't progress because of CTDs. So what I tried now was to remove Skyrim.ini and SkyrimPrefs.ini, but that caused all of my saves to have infinite loading times. I started a new game with Skyrim Unbound, and after leaving the race menu there was another infinite loading screen, so I had to add new settings to my Skyrim.ini in order to fix that as well. After fixing it, everything seemed to be okay. Well, that is, until I started running towards the keep of Windhelm, the Palace of the Kings - I encountered a freeze. My game froze, but ambient sounds and music could still be heard. I didn't know what caused this, but after looking through some threads I decided that it's probably this one mod I haven't considered before; Enhanced Blood. Enhanced Blood gave me a few CTDs earlier on too, specifically when attacking enemies, it would randomly crash, especially if the enemy died. So, back then, I changed some settings related to Enhanced Blood and I never experienced this when attacking enemies, but apparently, outdoor CTDs/freezes can be caused by Enhanced Blood too. I disabled it and my game hasn't crashed or froze yet... I don't have high hopes, it's probably just a deception of the devil, I only played for about a minute or two on this save, so I can't really say this is the source of my crashes. But hey, at least now I know what's the cause of the Whiterun siege problem.
Nord_Master_Race Posted December 18, 2017 Author Posted December 18, 2017 Ah... well, nevermind. Of course I still get random CTDs. I'm going to reinstall my Skyrim again.
Nord_Master_Race Posted December 18, 2017 Author Posted December 18, 2017 Indeed, this didn't work either, because I'm experiencing infinite loading screens. Next mod that I'll try removing is the Quality World Map. I wish myself luck.
Nord_Master_Race Posted January 21, 2018 Author Posted January 21, 2018 After a lot of pain and suffering, I have concluded that what's causing my problems is a corrupted mesh. Or so I think.
Nord_Master_Race Posted March 16, 2018 Author Posted March 16, 2018 Hello. I have returned again... That did not resolve the problem. What I did was I disabled quite a bunch of mods, but that did not fix the quest. I sometimes encounter CTD when I go near the Stormcloak Camp or try to open the gates to Whiterun. Could Skyrim Unbound be causing this? Since Skyrim Unbound is supposed to skip a few quests related to Whiterun, this makes me think that the mod is the problem... Well, what I could do is just skip the quest.
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