gregathit Posted June 19, 2012 Posted June 19, 2012 Why the aversion to BOSS? It has always been fair by me. Same LO should work with and without bashed patch. Doesnt apply to every scenario obviously just oblivion + dlc + mbp + lpk I don't have any problem with Boss but I can tell you that it is not perfect. Like any tool it has its purpose. Boss seeks a middle of the road approach to minimize conflicts. For most Boss is good enough but as you are likely familiar it is not the only way and sometimes is even wrong. Part of my "aversion" (too strong a word honestly) is I am old school and don't like relying on what someone else "thinks" is best for me. It is far more reliable to use not just one tool but all of them to order your mods. Of course this is route is typically only taken by advanced modders and then those old school dweebs like me. My current load order: Active Mod Files: 00 Oblivion.esm 01 Kaleah.esm [Version 1.0] 02 Nec Mystic High Elf-Remake.esm [Version 1.0] 03 CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm 04 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.33] 05 CURP_Controller.esm 06 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm 07 x117race.esm 08 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm 09 Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 5.0.7] 0A Toaster Says Share v3.esm 0B Lovers with PK.esm 0C LoversCreature.esm 0D BreakUndies.esm 0E HorseCombatMaster.esm ** CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack Vwalk.esp ** Better Cities Full Vwalk.esp ** Better Imperial City Vwalk.esp ** Oblivion Vwalk.esp 0F Younger Hotter NPC's v1.0.esp [Version 1.0] ** Younger Hotter NPC's v1.0 Vwalk.esp 10 DLCShiveringIsles.esp ** DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS.esp ** DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk.esp 11 Better Cities .esp [Version 4.7.0] 12 Idle Dialogue.esp 13 Arena_Ring_V2.esp ++ NoGuildmasterKick.esp 14 Living Economy.esp 15 Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp [Version 0.3] 16 Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp 17 Streamline 3.1.esp 18 Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.9] 19 Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.5] 1A DLCHorseArmor.esp 1B DLCMehrunesRazor.esp ** DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk.esp 1C superSP_fatigue_restore_ring.esp 1D Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.33] ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp 1E OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp [Version 1.33] 1F OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp [Version 1.33] 20 KvatchAftermath.esp 21 KnightlyArmory.esp 22 Ivellon.esp [Version 1.8] 23 TalosBridgeGateHouse.esp 24 300_KillTheDB.esp 25 Hentai Mania.esp ** Hentai Mania Vwalk.esp 26 QQuix - Divine Elegance Showroom.esp 27 TEC_4ERA_Dialog_Filter.esp 28 Vampire Hunting - Order of the Virtuous Blood.esp ** Vampire Hunting - Order Of The Virtuous Blood Vwalk.esp 29 WSL_Redone.esp 2A DLCBattlehornCastle.esp 2B DLCFrostcrag.esp ** DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp 2C Knights.esp ** Knights Vwalk.esp 2D Origin of the Mages Guild.esp [Version 7.3] 2E HoarfrostCastle.esp ** HoarfrostCastle Vwalk.esp 2F Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp ++ EDI - Aggression Fix.esp 30 ElsweyrAnequina.esp ** ElsweyrAnequina Vwalk.esp 31 Walkabout.esp 32 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp ** ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts Vwalk.esp 33 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts - OOO FCOM patch by Xtudo.esp 34 FightersGuildContracts.esp 35 Dremora Churl Addon.esp 36 Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp [Version 1.2] 37 P1DKeyChainSI Merged.esp 38 Colourwheels Sexy Ayelid Shrine.esp 39 Colourwheels Sexy Skyrim Outpost HGEC.esp 3A Oblivion Gate Closer Spell V2.esp 3B RestoreAllAttributesSpell.esp 3C BudongsNarcolepsySpell.esp 3D Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp 3E zzEstrus.esp 3F SetEssentialActors.esp 40 SetBody.esp 41 AinmhiRace.esp ** LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp ** LoversCreature_SexualOrgans_Dogs.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp ** Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp ++ x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp 42 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp 43 Real_Mannequin.esp 44 From2ch Lives.esp 45 F2L_FaceChange.esp 46 Ta22's 01Army.esp 47 117NPCs.esp 48 From2ch Lives Boss.esp 49 F2LHideRaces.esp 4A F2LAddon_MSElves.esp 4B FutaPriory.esp 4C F2LMiqoteAddon.esp 4D DKImperials.esp 4E CompanionshipRing.esp 4F KW-AlliesPlayNicer.esp 50 Colourwheels Sexy Oblivion OverHaul.esp 51 ZUAmberMadnessOverhaul.esp 52 ZUSIO-Map MarkerOverhaul SI-patch.esp 53 SMYB Female Only.esp 54 Better Cities Full.esp [Version 5.0.7] 55 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp [Version 4.7.0] 56 Better Imperial City.esp [Version 5.0.0] 57 Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp [Version 5.0.7] 58 Better Cities - Knightly Armory.esp [Version 4.8.4] 59 Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp [Version 5.0.0] 5A Better Imperial City - OMG.esp [Version 4.7.0] 5B Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp [Version 4.9.0] 5C Alternative Start for Better Cities Fix.esp 5D Nitiren's Genji Armor2.esp ++ HGEC Kajiits.esp 5E Slof's Manly Stride.esp 5F LoversRapeSlave.esp 60 LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp 61 LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp 62 LoversRaperS.esp 63 LoversJoburg.esp 64 LoversSlavePlay.esp 65 LoversFSE.esp 66 LoversBed.esp 67 LoversClubCats.esp 68 LoversProstitute.esp [Version 0.25a] 69 LoversStupidNpc.esp 6A LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp 6B Lovers with PK.esp [Version 90] 6C LoversStopKillRaper.esp 6D LoversStopCombatEx.esp 6E LoversSlaveTrader.esp 6F LSTBravilUnderground.esp 70 xeosp++.esp 71 xeosp++ Vwalk.esp 72 Bashed Patch' date=' 0.esp 73 Ahtata Arquamer female got hair.esp 74 MadCompanionshipSpells.esp [Version 2.5'] 75 MCS extension.esp 76 LoversMB2.esp 77 LoversCreature.esp 78 LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp 79 LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp 7A DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp 7B Deadly Reflex 6 - HeX NifSE Patch.esp
BugSquat Posted June 19, 2012 Posted June 19, 2012 Open the masterlist from boss and familiarize yourself with the categories, that's all it took for me to appreciate it. Its well organized, and I think the LO suggestion are from the JP source. They are oddly specific, and once you see the groups you will understand. Education is not change, its adaptation to a changing scenario.
gregathit Posted June 20, 2012 Posted June 20, 2012 Open the masterlist from boss and familiarize yourself with the categories' date=' that's all it took for me to appreciate it. Its well organized, and I think the LO suggestion are from the JP source. They are oddly specific, and once you see the groups you will understand. Education is not change, its adaptation to a changing scenario. [/quote'] Well, to wrap up this discussion as we have low-jacked this thread long enough... Here is quote direct from the BOSS description page at the nexus: "BOSS is designed to assist in the usage of mods, helping mod users avoid serious conflicts. It is not a complete solution to load ordering issues, as there are far more mods out there than BOSS knows about. To properly place mods BOSS doesn't know about, a good working knowledge of mod load ordering for Oblivion is still necessary, for which some research and documentation reading will go a long way." Further more if you really look into how BOSS is made it really is a community effort not unlike wiki. Now I would go so far as to say it is far more accurate on the whole than wiki tends to be but none the less it shares similarities. They take user reports and collate them together into a data base. Again as I said before this is a "conservative middle of the road approach". For most users it is "good enough" but it is not necessarily "optimal" or the "best possible" solution. "Optimal" and "best possible" solutions can only come by testing. I can guarantee you that there isn't anyone sitting down and play testing all the possible combinations of mods out there and how they play with lovers. If there were, then the support thread here would be empty! Long story short for the casual mod user...use boss for all but lovers mods - those use a customized lovers friendly boss master-list or hand order. I have said this forever and it is still true today. Lovers functions "optimally" by being at the bottom of your load order, thus having priority over any other mod that it may conflict with. Cheers BugSquat. If you disagree, then we will just have to agree to disagree.
Ryu Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 I'm sorry if I burge into your discussion, but I just thought a 3rd person might give fresh views on the topic . I tried using BOSS, but imho if you're familiar enough with load order and what certain mods do, it's still better to do it manually. That way the only thing you can blame is yourself or if everything works, you'll know why . Experimenting takes time, but is worth it! I personally have all MBP mods up at the top in my LO, CM partners go wherever and they still work, while Lover mods go below my race mods with animation mods being at the bottom (like Prettywoman walk, seductive idles, etc.). That load order never failed me so far and I for example never experienced CTDs due to LO. As for the OP's problems...When the sex animation finishes there is that strange 'limp boom' when both actors suddenly ragdoll. I suspect a skeleton problem here. The OP didn't mention whether those were beast races or had any non-vanilla characteristics (horns, claws, etc.). That MAY be important. If disabling those race mods suddenly caused a CTD on startup then sorry, but other mods rely on them. Obviously a clean start won't work anymore. I suggest running OBMM and disabling mods one by one testing whether Oblivion is running each time, starting the test with the most suspicious mods.
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