FrostyTheIceMage Posted September 10, 2016 Posted September 10, 2016 My skyrim game is ALWAYS crashing after 20-30min of playing.. Or i get some kind of random CTD.. Ive looked online for everything but havent been able to find a single fix.. I have tried to get rid of some mods in my load order so for different characters i have different mods.. Which STILL hasnt fixed the issue.. If i fast travel i seem to crash too I have used LOOT to clean all the dirty mods and i constantly use a save cleaner to get rid of orphan files My specs are CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor Motherboard: MSI 760GMA-P34(FX) Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive GPU: GTX 1070 ASUS Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply Load Order: 00 Skyrim.esm 01 Update.esm 02 Dawnguard.esm 03 HearthFires.esm 04 Dragonborn.esm 05 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp [Version 3.0.4] 06 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm 07 Dragon Break.esm 08 0db2SECOND.esm 09 Campfire.esm 0A ZaZAnimationPack.esm 0B SexLab.esm [Version 1.62] 0C Devious Devices - Assets.esm [Version 2.8.3] 0D SexLabAroused.esm [Version 2.6] 0E Devious Devices - Integration.esm 0F RaceCompatibility.esm 10 SexLab - Sexual Fame [sLSF].esm 11 SharedSeranaDialogue.esm 12 SomeguySeries.esm 13 Devious Devices - Expansion.esm 14 CreatureFramework.esm [Version 1.0.0] 15 ApachiiHairFemales.esm 16 Solstheim Climate Overhaul.esm 17 daymoyl.esm 18 Cutting Room Floor.esp [Version 2.0.2] 19 AMatterOfTime.esp [Version 2.00] 1A lockpickpro.esp 1B SkyUI.esp 1C When Vampires Attack.esp [Version 2.0.6] 1D NusbieVoices.esp 1E 12FemaleBrows.esp 1F UIExtensions.esp 20 AddItemMenu.esp 21 Differently Ebony.esp 22 Apropos.esp 23 Bounty Gold.esp [Version 1.0] 24 tpos_ultimate_esm.esp 25 SkyRe_Main.esp 26 overhaul.esp 27 overhaul4E.esp 28 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp 29 CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp 2A 3DNPC.esp [Version 3.10] 2B CastleVolkiharImmersive.esp 2C Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp 2D DarkbroSanctuary.esp 2E Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp [Version v6.5.2b] 2F Helgen Reborn.esp [Version 105.3] 30 SexLab_Solutions.esp 31 SkyHavenTempleEnhanced.esp 32 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp 33 Immersive Weapons.esp 34 SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp 35 Rebirth Monster.esp 36 Undeath.esp 37 Combat Evolved.esp 38 smarter combat ai.esp 39 ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp 3A BetterDarkBrotherhood.esp 3B Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp 3C OBIS.esp 3D aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp [Version 1.9] 3E AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp 3F OBISDB.esp 40 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp [Version v6.5.2a] 41 No Combat Boundaries - Legendary.esp 42 SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp 43 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 44 Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp [Version v1] 45 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp 46 DaedraHuntress.esp 47 RoyalDaedric.esp 48 SexLabDangerousNights2.esp 49 DeadlySpellImpacts.esp 4A EmpyreanWarpaints.esp 4B dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp 4C dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp 4D FNIS.esp 4E FortDawnguard_NoCobwebs.esp 4F Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 50 iHUD.esp 51 LandLord_.esp 52 NecroAnims.esp 53 Proper Aiming.esp 54 RaceMenu.esp 55 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 56 RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp 57 the hunting game - thegreylight.esp 58 RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp 59 RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp 5A dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp 5B Serana.esp 5C SexLab Sound FX Replacer.esp 5D SexLab Cumshot.esp [Version 1.7.2] 5E SexLab Dangerously Nude.esp 5F LoversVictim.esp 60 SexLab Submit.esp 61 SexLab Submit Serana.esp 62 SkyRe_SIC Crossbowfix.esp [Version v6.1.2] 63 Skyrim Unlimited Rings And Amulets.esp 64 SexLabDefeat.esp 65 SLALAnimObj.esp 66 SLAnimLoader.esp 67 Schlongs of Skyrim - 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Lance711 Posted September 10, 2016 Posted September 10, 2016 This is a common problem most people don't know about, XPMSE esp needs to ALWAYS be loaded last in load order (except when it comes to patches made after it, or if you're using a race with it's own custom skeleton). Also you're using Wet and Cold, which is very script heavy on the game's engine and can increase the use of memory, which might be causing your crashes. Using ENBoost might help you also, since it's useful when it comes to memory efficiency and such. You should also download the Crash Fixes mod from Nexus incase you haven't already. Just don't forget, less is more. Try to bring down those script intensive mods, no matter how much you may want them, you have to make a compromise. LOOT may give you the best (basic) load order for esp's, but if you use TES5Edit it would tell you what's conflicting or whatever the error that's causing your crashes. Making a Merged Patch also helps (with TES5Edit), including making Bashed Patches with WryeBash. Also just 'cause you delete orphan scripts from mods (even while you still have those same mods installed), the orphans will still return, especially if you remove the mod from your save file without properly uninstalling it mid-game. Scripts are very hard on Skyrim's engine, it's just way too outdated to handle too many scripts at once. Another thing to note is NEVER make any unnecessary edits to your Skyrim.ini files, for example the Papryus values. That'll cause more problems. Hope I helped in the slightest.
GregorSamsa Posted September 10, 2016 Posted September 10, 2016 Well, yes, you're running quite some graphic intense and also script intense mods. My machine shurely wouldn't make it in this combination - but on the other hand yours is far better. Let's take the crash on fast traveling apart for a moment and assume it#s a different problem - If it crashes randomly after half an hour of playing first thing to check would be hardware - temperature of graphic card and cpu. Some systems tend to become instable at a certain temperature - no need to reach temperature limits, no question of specifications. Some mainboards will do, some not - not a question of manufacturer or prize or type. When dealing with data processing on this level, where they count thickness of conductors in atoms - it happens you stick the same parts together twice - one machine will work under certain conditions the other not. I learned this from an engineer developing chips for cellphones now for more than 30 years. The behavior of such complex systems isn't that exact one would expect. So it would be necessary to check if this randomly crashing after some time is related to something in the enviroment - many posibilities: does some backround task start, is there some app checking something every half an hour, are there periodical services starting, some online request for updates. System usage at crashing time, and - as said - temperature of graphics card, mainboard and cpu. To my knowledge it doesn't make much difference if you use dual or quad core for skyrim. It's possible to get one or two cores overheated while other cores do almost nothing. I'm afraid - to track down the error will be time consuming. You could also deactivate the mods one by one till the crashing disappear. but then you won't know if it's a performance issue or a mod related issue. Maybe it's better to check out first, who does the work while playing - the usage of cpu, graphic cards etc. If some component does all the processing work even the best system can easily be brought to it's limits. Computer deal with the distiribution of tasks - a high end pc can only be high end if software makes use of multhreading and assigns the work to do to the different components. And to my knowledge Skyrim isn't pretty good in doing this. And one of the surprising things is that sometimes overall pc performance doesn't count much - you get the same issues on much better machine because software doesn't make use of the advantages those machines offer.
FrostyTheIceMage Posted September 10, 2016 Author Posted September 10, 2016 This is a common problem most people don't know about, XPMSE esp needs to ALWAYS be loaded last in load order (except when it comes to patches made after it, or if you're using a race with it's own custom skeleton). Also you're using Wet and Cold, which is very script heavy on the game's engine and can increase the use of memory, which might be causing your crashes. Using ENBoost might help you also, since it's useful when it comes to memory efficiency and such. You should also download the Crash Fixes mod from Nexus incase you haven't already. Just don't forget, less is more. Try to bring down those script intensive mods, no matter how much you may want them, you have to make a compromise. LOOT may give you the best (basic) load order for esp's, but if you use TES5Edit it would tell you what's conflicting or whatever the error that's causing your crashes. Making a Merged Patch also helps (with TES5Edit), including making Bashed Patches with WryeBash. Also just 'cause you delete orphan scripts from mods (even while you still have those same mods installed), the orphans will still return, especially if you remove the mod from your save file without properly uninstalling it mid-game. Scripts are very hard on Skyrim's engine, it's just way too outdated to handle too many scripts at once. Another thing to note is NEVER make any unnecessary edits to your Skyrim.ini files, for example the Papryus values. That'll cause more problems. Hope I helped in the slightest. I got rid of the mods you told me to get rid of and moved XPMSE down.. But once i got the ENB stuff my game became super dusty and dull and was no longer the bright vibrent Skyrim my game was.. I really hate the look and dont understand how to fix it :/ I have ENB boos and ENB Series both downloaded and inside my skyrim folder
LibertyPrime Posted September 10, 2016 Posted September 10, 2016 1 - Are you using 'Crash Fixes', the mod on the Nexus? If not, then get it. 2 - Are you using ENBoost? If not, then get it. 3 - Do you autosave? If so, stop doing it. 4 - Do you run your timescale below 30? If so, get ready for crashes. I've come to realize that Skyrim and certain mods do not like if your timescale is too low. I set my timescale to 5 (used to set to 1 but that's too unrealistic based on how big Skyrim is supposed to be) and for certain places/quests I HAVE to set my timescale back to 30 otherwise it's a guaranteed crash (i.e. when trying to enter DB's headquarters, when trying to do the quest in Mistwatch, etc.). Fast-travelling also crashes a lot irregardless of mods. Even in Vanilla fast-travelling seems to be prone to CTDing. This is specially true to Whiterun, Riften and Windhelm for some reason (at least in my case). 5 - Have you cleaned your official mods and the ones LOOT tells you to clean? If not, do it. 6 - Get OneTweak for borderless windowed. That seems to increase stability for most people who use it. 7 - Your load order is full of script heavy mods. Make sure that none of them are conflicting and try to optimize then as much as possible by disabling things you don't use in-game on their MCM menus. Also, I don't see a Bashed or Merged Patch. Those are ESSENTIAL to people who run load orders with lots of mods in them.
FrostyTheIceMage Posted September 10, 2016 Author Posted September 10, 2016 Ok fixed it sorry It was becasue I have "I cant believe its not ENB".. But once i put that back on ENboost stopped working everything else on that listen i have besides Timescale.
FrostyTheIceMage Posted September 10, 2016 Author Posted September 10, 2016 Timescale all set.. Just cant get Enboost to work if i do the wrapper version it overwrites I cant believe its not ENB
DurtyNelly Posted September 10, 2016 Posted September 10, 2016 In the ENBoot's enblocal.ini, make sure that the highlighted line is set to true. Mine says false because I use an ENB. You want the memory patch without the visual change, so yours should say true. Did you follow I Can't Believe it's Not ENB's instructions for making it compatible with ENBoost? http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/63839/? You have to rename the SweetFX dll and replace the Proxy to make it work together.
FrostyTheIceMage Posted September 11, 2016 Author Posted September 11, 2016 1 - Are you using 'Crash Fixes', the mod on the Nexus? If not, then get it. 2 - Are you using ENBoost? If not, then get it. 3 - Do you autosave? If so, stop doing it. 4 - Do you run your timescale below 30? If so, get ready for crashes. I've come to realize that Skyrim and certain mods do not like if your timescale is too low. I set my timescale to 5 (used to set to 1 but that's too unrealistic based on how big Skyrim is supposed to be) and for certain places/quests I HAVE to set my timescale back to 30 otherwise it's a guaranteed crash (i.e. when trying to enter DB's headquarters, when trying to do the quest in Mistwatch, etc.). Fast-travelling also crashes a lot irregardless of mods. Even in Vanilla fast-travelling seems to be prone to CTDing. This is specially true to Whiterun, Riften and Windhelm for some reason (at least in my case). 5 - Have you cleaned your official mods and the ones LOOT tells you to clean? If not, do it. 6 - Get OneTweak for borderless windowed. That seems to increase stability for most people who use it. 7 - Your load order is full of script heavy mods. Make sure that none of them are conflicting and try to optimize then as much as possible by disabling things you don't use in-game on their MCM menus. Also, I don't see a Bashed or Merged Patch. Those are ESSENTIAL to people who run load orders with lots of mods in them. Ok thank you so much you seemed to have fixed my skyrim by telling me what to do.. I was able to walk from falkreath to solitude without a single crash ! usually i get the purple texture or my game crashes if I walk around too much but this seemed to fix it.. now I only have 1 other issue heh... It seems that all the fire from my game has disappred after doing this fix, So my torches no longer have flames fire ptis to light up towns and my magic seems to also be messed up, the fire isnt there and Bound sword seems to be invisible from time to time too.. I verified my game cache but that didnt fix anything (IT never has in the past) And there is also a picture of when my game was getting the texture errors before this fix but hasnt happend yet and was able to play a solid hour with no skyrim issues !
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