tkh159 Posted June 29, 2016 Posted June 29, 2016 I'm having issues with Riften. I can't enter the city without the game freezing up? Any known mods that might cause this? I have unbleak enb installed, a few HD textures and other common mods but I still get a froze up when using the original skyrim launcher rather than tesv launcher. I have verified the game files within steam and it states two files are needed but doesn't list what they are and I ONLY have get froze up at Riften. Any ideas or ways to narrow down the problem?
Guest Yourskyrim Posted June 29, 2016 Posted June 29, 2016 I'm having issues with Riften. I can't enter the city without a crash? Any known mods that might cause this? I have unbleak enb installed, a few HD textures and other common mods but I still get a crash when using the original skyrim launcher rather than tesv launcher. I have verified the game files within steam and it states two files are needed but doesn't list what they are and I ONLY have a crash at Riften. Any ideas or ways to narrow down the problem? Does your game lagg too when going into or near riften?
tkh159 Posted June 29, 2016 Author Posted June 29, 2016 I haven't tried that. I'll turn on my fps and walk around it and see if it will freeze. Its odd cause the game doesn't crash just freezes up. I have saved inside Riften and everything loads up but in about 2-3 mins the game freezes and stays frozen. Even using the regular launcher it will freeze. I'm guessing it's a goof in the skyrim.prefs or skyrim.ini settings? Maybe even enb issue, cause using the regular launcher doesn't use the mods
Tefajo Posted June 29, 2016 Posted June 29, 2016 Feels more like a driver / directx / gpu temperture thing than a mod. Skyrim problems in general usually makes you CTD or get a window with an error. Did you recently changed something in your system? - Reinstall dx9 - If you use Nvidia Drivers try roll back to a version prior to 360.xx (many users reported problems with newer driver versions) - Download and run https://www.computerbase.de/downloads/systemtools/all-in-one-runtimes/ So you can disregard system agents
tkh159 Posted June 29, 2016 Author Posted June 29, 2016 Only thing that I have done pc wise would be enable vsync and triple buffing in the nvidia control center 2 weeks ago. Didn't have a game issue when I changes that setting. I have continued doing my research and what keeps popping up is script errors and save errors. Along with deleting the skyrim.ini and skyrim.prefs would help. I had enhanced blood installed but the mod just wasn't what I thought so I unstalled it ingame via mcm. However game would crash after a few mins of game play. Found out there was a certain way I had to unistall and got that issue fixed but the script and meshes are still in my directory. I'm going to try and delete some save file as steam cloud has 2237 backup maybe something is lingering there?
Tefajo Posted June 29, 2016 Posted June 29, 2016 I do not understand why go through all that. I am sure you got your reasons but uninstalling mods, deleting your current configuration, etc would only add problem, not solutions Regarding your graphic card settings, if you use ENB the settings should be like this:
tkh159 Posted June 30, 2016 Author Posted June 30, 2016 Exactly why I'm not going that route! Awesome my settings were as yours are! At this time riften is semi-stable and can go into bee and bar. I couldn't get past Maul yesterday but can speak with no problems. What I did do is Ran FNIS, Loot ( 8 waring all being ITM records ) I haven't used tes5edit and am going to hold off on that. Also fully deleted everything to do with enhanced blood. Started to cleanup some follower mods that I don't use. Something is up and not just affected riften pretty much anywhere. I was only able to reinstall directx Tefajo. The all in one runtime I'll have to download tomorrow. I just don't know. Guess it's time to trouble shoot the 8 ITM warnings that loot says I have :/
tkh159 Posted June 30, 2016 Author Posted June 30, 2016 Oh also to note riften is fine at night but as soon as I wait in game hours to daylight hours I can look around in circles and the game starts to stutter then freezes. I have never had this trouble until ENB came into the picture. I still don't know the cause but maybe something is wrong in my enb settings or for unbleak but followed every guide for enb and unbleak. Maybe the all in on runtime might tell us something
swmas Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Exactly why I'm not going that route! Awesome my settings were as yours are! At this time riften is semi-stable and can go into bee and bar. I couldn't get past Maul yesterday but can speak with no problems. What I did do is Ran FNIS, Loot ( 8 waring all being ITM records ) I haven't used tes5edit and am going to hold off on that. Also fully deleted everything to do with enhanced blood. Started to cleanup some follower mods that I don't use. Something is up and not just affected riften pretty much anywhere. I was only able to reinstall directx Tefajo. The all in one runtime I'll have to download tomorrow. I just don't know. Guess it's time to trouble shoot the 8 ITM warnings that loot says I have :/ If you didn't use Tes5edit that means you haven't cleaned your masters? You should do that.
Arhon Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Exactly why I'm not going that route! Awesome my settings were as yours are! At this time riften is semi-stable and can go into bee and bar. I couldn't get past Maul yesterday but can speak with no problems. What I did do is Ran FNIS, Loot ( 8 waring all being ITM records ) I haven't used tes5edit and am going to hold off on that. Also fully deleted everything to do with enhanced blood. Started to cleanup some follower mods that I don't use. Something is up and not just affected riften pretty much anywhere. I was only able to reinstall directx Tefajo. The all in one runtime I'll have to download tomorrow. I just don't know. Guess it's time to trouble shoot the 8 ITM warnings that loot says I have :/ Clean the masters. Here is a video from Gopher for cleaning the masters Video
Tefajo Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Yes, but problems with dirty masters shouldnt manifest in slutter and freezings That really sounds more like a system thing or a configuration issue. Please - run the AIO runtimes - roll back the drivers - Check that you do not have any texture mods with a size larger than your vram - If you got any Riften city overhaul such as JK's Riften get rid of it a little* * If you do and this helps then, may be, its a memory issue. Make sure you have your SKSE.ini set and that memory patch is runing Edit: typed "when" instead of "then".. >.<
tkh159 Posted June 30, 2016 Author Posted June 30, 2016 Nothing came up from AIO I have reserved memory at 384 and video memory size at 3862 In Riften with ENB off fps doesn't get any lower than 30. WITH IT ON the fps at first in some areas the fps drops to 17, 12, 5, and back up but the game stutters. The only textures I have are skyrim HD 2K textures by nebula I can try deleting those. I used both complete full and lite versions. Oh the only Nvidia settings that are and have been different is Triple buffing is on and Vsync is on at 1
Tefajo Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Nothing came up from AIO I have reserved memory at 384 and video memory size at 3862 In Riften with ENB off fps doesn't get any lower than 30. WITH IT ON the fps at first in some areas the fps drops to 17, 12, 5, and back up but the game stutters. The only textures I have are skyrim HD 2K textures by nebula I can try deleting those. I used both complete full and lite versions. Oh the only Nvidia settings that are and have been different is Triple buffing is on and Vsync is on at 1 Ah, then we need to look at your ENB first Riften is a very demanding area. There are lots of clutter and leaves, and trees, and lights and different textures. Latest version of Skyrim HD 2k got a performance hit in many system, since looks like some textures are 4k and even some 8k. In any case: - Lower reserved memory to 256 or 128 in your enblocal.ini. High values in this parameter usually leads to inestability (though i know that increaing it should reduce slutter, but whats the point if your game freezes and cant keep playing) - I insist on the nvidia drivers rollback. - What's your graphic card? I do not know what enb you are using, but you could try changing for a lighter one or disable a couple of effects to lower the performance hit.
tkh159 Posted June 30, 2016 Author Posted June 30, 2016 Oh forgot to ask on AIO I ran the program and on the right side of the program window it was checking through settings and said "end" out to the right of each setting and it repeated this process for several minutes so I checked on it periodically. The program was no longer and closed itself sooooo...is that normal if there are no errors? I will clean my 8 ITM warnings both which include DG and DB master files, I don't recall if skyrim update and skyrim esm had warnings??? I'm using unbleak enb QUALITY setting versus GAMING. Using skyrim HD full lite setting Graphics card is a Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 2GB.
Tefajo Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Oh forgot to ask on AIO I ran the program and on the right side of the program window it was checking through settings and said "end" out to the right of each setting and it repeated this process for several minutes so I checked on it periodically. The program was no longer and closed itself sooooo...is that normal if there are no errors? I will clean my 8 ITM warnings both which include DG and DB master files, I don't recall if skyrim update and skyrim esm had warnings??? I'm using unbleak enb QUALITY setting versus GAMING. Using skyrim HD full lite setting Graphics card is a Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 2GB. Yes, the program runs and installs any runtime c++ library that might be missing automatically. No errors are reported ever. I am afraid that your graphic card is the bottle neck here. I have a 760 GTX and i get sudden drops to 15fps in riften sometimes. You should try with a lighter ENB like project ENB...or unbleack gaming.... or no enb preset at all (just ENBoost) You could also try turning off some of the unbleack ENB effects like ambient oclussion, reflections, DoF, etc and see if it goes better (but i take this should be the same as using unbleak gaming) But again, do not expect miracles with that graphic card. Sorry
tkh159 Posted June 30, 2016 Author Posted June 30, 2016 Hmmm ok so what is causing the freeze? Enb Unbleak Skyrim HD textures ( mentioned above ) What would yield better quality without freezing? I was under the impression that enb needed a enb mod in order to see results hence why I installed unbleak??? The skyrim HD texture mod doesn't require enb BUT does require 4gigs of RAM and 2gigs of VRAM. I have 8 gigs or RAM and 2 gigs of VRAM soooo can I rule out Skyrim HD textures? Any aid from using enb antifreeze or would that be a waste?
Tefajo Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Hmmm ok so what is causing the freeze? - Your grapich card convined with a wait busy render config or probably some other thing like that What would yield better quality without freezing? - A better graphic card I was under the impression that enb needed a enb mod in order to see results hence why I installed unbleak??? ENBoost is a dll that allows Skyrim to have a better application memory manager and therefore avoid the dx9 32bit 3.1gb limitation wich is easily reachable when you start adding mods. An ENB "preset" (not mod) is a serie aditional files and settings that allows the ENB to give you visual effects, such as lightint, colors, ambient oclusion, deph of field, etc We could say that ENBoost alone is a "blank" preset, as it has no effects turned on, no shaders, no sweet fx, etc. The benefit is that you get the system memory management with virtually 0 performance loss The skyrim HD texture mod doesn't require enb BUT does require 4gigs of RAM and 2gigs of VRAM. You do match the memory requirements for using Skyrim HD 2k, but your graphic card GPU is a little weak, and while Skyrim 2k HD on its own wont be enough to cripple your system, it will in combination with a powerful ENB preset + other mods Thats why i suggested you trying with another ENB presets. Not all ENB presets are as demanding Skyrim will never use more than 4gb ram since its a 32bit app, therefore you could have 64gb system ram and it wont make a difference So i insist: - Try a lighter ENB - Rollback to a nvidia driver version prior to 360.xx since many users reported a complete different (bad) performance on the newer driver releases
tkh159 Posted June 30, 2016 Author Posted June 30, 2016 Thanks for the info. I'll work with the driver as it is the lastest driver and tes5edit and lower some settings in terms of unbleak set it to GAMING. Worse case scenario turn off enb and keep skyrim HD complete LITE. Sound good?
Tefajo Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Thanks for the info. I'll work with the driver as it is the lastest driver and tes5edit and lower some settings in terms of unbleak set it to GAMING. Worse case scenario turn off enb and keep skyrim HD complete LITE. Sound good? As long as you are happy with your framerate and your game doesnt freeze then, who are we to judge? I was coming back here to post this review of bleak / unbleak. At 0:33 it states that this enb is very performance heavy I think there is a recent thread here somewhere about "light" ENB Didnt look too hard, but also found this , it might help http://www.loverslab.com/topic/59138-list-of-performance-mods-or-enb/
tkh159 Posted June 30, 2016 Author Posted June 30, 2016 Thanks for the info. I'll work with the driver as it is the lastest driver and tes5edit and lower some settings in terms of unbleak set it to GAMING. Worse case scenario turn off enb and keep skyrim HD complete LITE. Sound good? As long as you are happy with your framerate and your game doesnt freeze then, who are we to judge? I was coming back here to post this review of bleak / unbleak. At 0:33 it states that this enb is very performance heavy I think there is a recent thread here somewhere about "light" ENB Didnt look too hard, but also found this , it might help http://www.loverslab.com/topic/59138-list-of-performance-mods-or-enb/ That was a good read thanks! Not going to lie I'm an amateur when it comes to enb and skyrim HD textures. So honestly I don't see anything different when enb settings(unbleak) are on or off except for lighting and well my fps LOL. I believe what I see that I enjoy is the textures so if that safe to assume that is the skyrim HD and not the unbleak enb?
Tefajo Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Thanks for the info. I'll work with the driver as it is the lastest driver and tes5edit and lower some settings in terms of unbleak set it to GAMING. Worse case scenario turn off enb and keep skyrim HD complete LITE. Sound good? As long as you are happy with your framerate and your game doesnt freeze then, who are we to judge? I was coming back here to post of bleak / unbleak. At 0:33 it states that this enb is very performance heavy I think there is a recent thread here somewhere about "light" ENB Didnt look too hard, but also found this , it might help http://www.loverslab.com/topic/59138-list-of-performance-mods-or-enb/ That was a good read thanks! Not going to lie I'm an amateur when it comes to enb and skyrim HD textures. So honestly I don't see anything different when enb settings(unbleak) are on or off except for lighting and well my fps LOL. I believe what I see that I enjoy is the textures so if that safe to assume that is the skyrim HD and not the unbleak enb? Enb is far more demanding than the textures, yes. Both mixed its just too much for your graphic card You could try keeping enb and disabling skyrim hd 2k textures and see what you like best: - No unbleack but with HD textures or - Unbleak ENB but no HD textures Personally i think the first would be the first option and then try a more performance friendly enb
tkh159 Posted July 1, 2016 Author Posted July 1, 2016 Well long story short. Removed all traces of enb. As a result no freezing. Reinstalled enb along with unbleak GAMING settings. Sure I little stutter here and there no biggy though. Well I found out you can get a few more fps by disabling items in enblocal and changing settings in enbseries along with disabling some effects withing enb itself. Shadows in my experience eat fps I noticed. Then removed reflection on the water....who needs that that's "playing" the game???? All in all may try and find a less demanding enb any one have any ideas?
Tefajo Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Well, i already gave you a link to thread with ENB performance friendly (guess you forgot) I use Realvision (though this one is tailored to use along with climates of tamriel and ELFX) The original version has a "performance" option. http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/30936/?
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