Oblivion Reloaded 3.5 and 4.0.0 crashing with LAPF (and other custom skeletons)

[minaemm]

Hello again,

 

i just recently updated to OR 4.0.0, but my savegames crashed on loading. New games too. If i go back to 3.4.2 new games are fine, but saves load, then crash a little while later. 

 

I tested some things, but it seems that custom skeletons from LAPF or others (BBB enabled ones i tested) are not compatible with Oblivion Reloaded anymore...

 

Load list:

 

Active Mod Files:

00  Oblivion.esm
01  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm
02  x117race.esm
03  TamagoClub.esm
04  HiyokoClub.esm
05  EURN.esm
06  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.36]
07  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.74]
08  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.1.6]
09  Harvest[Containers].esm
0A  Lovers with PK.esm
0B  LoversCreature.esm
0C  CustomSpellIcons.esm
0D  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0E  EURN.esp  [Version 0.9b]
0F  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.5.4]
10  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
11  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.5.8]
12  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]
13  LoadingScreens.esp
14  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.36]
15  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.36]
++  Louder Nirnoot.esp
16  Storms & Sound.esp
17  Rainbows.esp
18  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.36]
19  WindowLightingSystem.esp
1A  Camping.esp
++  VA_BetterGold.esp
1B  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.4.3]
1C  Display Stats.esp  [Version 2.0.1]
1D  kuerteeCleanUp.esp
1E  OblivionReloaded.esp
++  OblivionReloadedArenaCombat.esp
1F  Dynamic Map.esp  [Version 2.1.1]
20  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.9.3]
21  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.9.3]
22  DLCOrrery.esp
23  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]
24  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]
25  DLCVileLair.esp
26  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.11]
++  SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp  [Version 1.21]
27  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
28  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]
29  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.30]
2A  DLCSpellTomes.esp
++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
2B  FB_Dark_Crusader_2_FHQ.esp
2C  Neck Seam Concealers Expanded.esp  [Version 1.1-SI]
2D  ArmoryCompilation.esp
2E  DLCThievesDen.esp
2F  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.14]
30  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.13]
31  SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp  [Version 1.30]
32  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]
33  OCR+COBL Luggage Patch.esp
34  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
++  Cobl Tweaks - SI.esp
++  Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp
++  Alluring Wine Bottles.esp
35  Harvest[Containers].esp
36  EM_CompInnsleeping.esp  [Version 0.9]
37  TalosBridgeGateHouse.esp
38  TSSoupHouse.esp
39  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.1.2]
3A  Better Abandoned House.esp  [Version 2.01]
3B  Better Benirus Manor - Helping Hands.esp  [Version 2.01]
3C  Better Benirus Manor.esp  [Version 5.01-IO-Cobl-SI]
3D  Better Benirus Manor - AN Patch.esp  [Version 5.01]
3E  Better Benirus Manor - RL Patch.esp  [Version 5.01]
3F  BHC_Expanded.esp  [Version 1.2]
40  Castle.Bedwyr 1.0.0.esp
41  FutaPriory.esp
42  SM Bounty.esp  [Version 1.22c]
43  SB IC Palace Tower Light Mod v1.1 - Modified Version.esp
44  ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Merged.esp
45  Mondstein - female Companion.esp
46  Sonia.esp
47  Viconia.esp
48  MTCExpandedVillages.esp
49  Reaper's The Dark Tower.esp
4A  Reaper_Drakelowe's Witch.esp
4B  SaveWaterEdgeEng.esp
4C  SMChorrol.esp  [Version 1.0]
4D  Star's Rest.esp  [Version 3.03-Cobl]
4E  Star's Rest - AN Patch.esp  [Version 3.03]
4F  ThermaeIC.esp  [Version 1]
50  AFK_ICTempleCleanup.esp  [Version 1.0.Non-LtPD]
51  BrumaGuildReconstructed.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
52  TOTF.esp
53  OCR + TOTF Patch.esp  [Version 6.0]
54  The Lost Spires.esp
55  OCR + Lost Spires Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]
++  The Lost Spires v14 Delayer.esp  [Version 3.1]
56  MTCVillages-LostSpiresPatch.esp
57  ReclaimSancreTor.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
58  Roads of Cyrodiil.esp  [Version 1.0]
59  MTCEV-RoC Patch.esp
5A  HackdirtAlive.esp
5B  WaterfrontMarket.esp
5C  HESU AppleHotSprings.esp
++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
5D  ROC-AppleHotSprings Patch.esp
5E  HESU HellLands.esp
5F  HESU PoisonSwamp.esp
60  HESU SkyrimTemple.esp
61  HESU GnollMountain.esp
62  HESU SmokeTown.esp
63  HESU ValenwoodMine.esp
64  HESU GreatForestGorge.esp
65  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.09]
66  Open Cities Reborn.esp  [Version 1.1.7]
++  OCC-COBL-Wells.esp
67  Better Abandoned House - OCR Patch.esp  [Version 2.01]
68  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Castles - All The Castles - OCR.esp  [Version 1.1.5]
69  RST+OCR Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]
6A  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
6B  Colourwheels Sexy Imperial Legion.esp
++  BrighterTorches_v1.2.esp
6C  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 5.3.2]
6D  RMDailyIncomeV2.esp
6E  Basic Primary Needs.esp  [Version 6.3]
6F  Basic Personal Hygiene.esp  [Version 3.0]
70  Vampire Revolution.esp  [Version v1.13]
71  EnchantmentMastery.esp
72  LoversTamagoClub.esp
73  HiyokoGenerator.esp
74  HiyokoGeneratorGeneForge.esp
75  HiyokoGeneratorBroodMother.esp
76  TamagoSetBody.esp
77  TamagoFertilityClinic.esp
78  FuroGeneratorTrap.esp
79  LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp
7A  LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp
7B  LoversHooker.esp  [Version 2.2a]
7C  LoversRaperS.esp
7D  LoversPayBandit.esp
7E  LoversSoundCreature.esp  [Version 0.1.0]
7F  Lovers with PK.esp  [Version 96v5]
80  LoversBitch.esp
81  LoversCreature.esp
82  LBPMill.esp
83  LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp
84  LoversSlaveTrader.esp
85  LSTBravilUnderground.esp
86  LSTaddonInH.esp
87  LST-EURN.esp
88  LoversClubCats.esp
89  LoversClubCatsSx.esp
8A  LoversLoveJuice.esp
8B  LoversStalkerM.esp
8C  Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.esp
8D  MadCompanionshipSpells.esp  [Version 2.5]
8E  SetBody.esp
8F  Mighty Magick - Core.esp  [Version 1.2]
++  Mighty Magick - Skills.esp  [Version 1.2]
90  Mighty Magick - Magicka Pool Progression.esp  [Version 1.2]
91  Mighty Magick - Side Effects.esp  [Version 1.2]
++  Mighty Magick - Sigil Stones.esp  [Version 1.2]
92  MidasSpells.esp
93  SorcerysToll.esp
94  SM Combat Hide.esp  [Version 1.2]
95  HumantouchNPC.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp
++  x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
**  TribalOrc.esp
96  eyja.esp
97  X.Races.Comp.esp
98  From2ch Lives.esp
99  DACompilation_GO_SI_APN.esp
**  ROC - OCReborn Road Record.esp
++  Bashed Delayers - MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 3.1.29b]
++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]
++  Harvest Containers Filter patch for mods.esp  [Version 1.00]
**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.36]
9A  Bashed Patch, 2.esp
9B  Maskar's Oblivion Overhaul.esp  [Version 4.6.3]
9C  LoversMB2.esp
9D  LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
9E  LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

 

Anybody else experience this? I really want the dual wielding from OR, since i do not want to use UV3.

[gregathit]

If OR4 uses some wacky ass skeleton, then yes, it won't be compatible.  The LAPF skeleton is a modification of the universal skeleton, which is the STANDARD skeleton for Oblivion period.  Why they would not use THE SKELETON makes zero sense.  You have two easy choices, do without OR4 or do without the LAPF.  The harder one is to redo all the custom animations that OR4 contains so they will be compatible with the universal skeleton and you are all set.

 

First however, I recommend reinstalling the LAPF skeleton, archive invalidating via bsa redirection and start a new game to make certain that there actually is a conflict.

[Baron Of Hell]

Just made a new profile in MO to test it out.  The mod is working fine for me.  Try doing these things.

1. Turn off Combatmod = this is probably the problem

2. Turn off Camermode

3. Turn off equipmentmode

4. Turn off Sleepingmode 

5. make sure you made your oblivion.ini edits.

6. make a bash patch.

 

These are the things I did but the first is probably the only one needed.  The combat mode is the only thing that mess with animations which were probably based on vanilla skeleton instead of the universal skeleton, just a guess. 

 

[Supierce]

The Baron is right. OR 4.0 works fine here with LAPF. One of those options is probably the culprit since I use none of them.

[minaemm]

Yeah, i jumped the gun on this, it was actually not the skeleton, but some sneak animations. Specifically some BBB sneakbow*** and BBB sneaktwohanded***. I was so frustrated since i lost a 20hour savegame over this, but then i started testing group by group. I do not have the energy to find out which animation exactly caused the crashes, all i can say that the ones from the NoMaam package are fine.

 

EDIT: To clarify, turning off the options did not help. I THINK the problem comes from from how 3.5.0 and 4.0.0 uses animgroups, but i am lost with scripting. All i know is that some animations seem to not work well with the new implementation. 

[Supierce]

EDIT: To clarify, turning off the options did not help. I THINK the problem comes from from how 3.5.0 and 4.0.0 uses animgroups, but i am lost with scripting. All i know is that some animations seem to not work well with the new implementation.

I think the next release of OR might fix many of these animgroup problems. Alenet is really digging down into the nuts and bolts of Oblivon's animation engine now. The results should be interesting.

[minaemm]

I agree, and i really love what Alenet is doing, so hopefully we can get out the last few kinks But now, time to actually play this game again.