Can an Enclave-NCR alliance destroy pre-war PLA?

[Anbeegod]

Pre-war China is weaker than pre-war US in terms of everything except number.

In the battle of Anchorage, Chinese force gain the advantage by taking the US by surprise and number, but soon after that, Chinese force was crushed by the US force. Should China not nuke the US, the 5-star flag would be no more.

 

Now, the Enclave has succeeded the tech of pre-war US, while NCR has number. They're both powerful, but still not a match with the true USA.

 

 

This is an alternate universe.

 

Enclave and NCR are in their prime, and are staunch allies to each other. BOS never existed.

NCR has much less corruption and Enclave is willing to share its tech with NCR.

 

A time rift was tore open in this alternate universe, in both post-war West Coast of the US and pre-war Yellow Sea (before Anchorage), and pre-war China invaded the other side of the rift.

 

If no atomic bomb is allowed to be used, which means China cannot directly nuke NCR and Enclave, can the Enclave-NCR alliance destroy pre-war Chinese army? Or perhaps Enclave alone is already enough to defeat Chinese army?

 

The goal is not conquering China, but to defeat the Chinese army only. It's almost impossible to conquer this whole country. The Japanese proved this in WW2.

[oniric1]

enclave and ncr have  make a alliance in new vegas  for the hover dam battle. For me ,the enclave can win. dont forget the strong weapon made in raven rock and other lab. if the bos never existed, the enclave still have the master vault under control(fallout tactics).

[Anbeegod]

enclave and ncr have  make a alliance in new vegas  for the hover dam battle. For me ,the enclave can win. dont forget the strong weapon made in raven rock and other lab. if the bos never existed, the enclave still have the master vault under control(fallout tactics).

 

 

There were only a small number of Enclave remnants, and the enemy was a Roman legion with some guns.

[oniric1]

i know, is the enclave of new vegas(remmant). the vault 0 and the calculator still here. who have the liberty prime?who have raven rock? the fev, the best power armor, poseidon oil? mariposa military base, if the bos never existet, the enclave never lost more of this ressource.

[Guest MonsterFish]

No.

 

PRC has nuclear weapons with enough ballistic range and submarines/planes to deliver them. If no nuclear bombs are allowed in this situation, then they STILL have submarines and airplanes that can deliver heavy firepower and non-nuclear missiles.

 

NCR-Enclave have jack shit. The best they have is vertibirds. The closest thing to be found to a vertibird is the V-22 osprey, which are not meant as assault ships. The thing about tiltrotors is that they are slow as fuck and have a bulky design. Ospreys are meant for refuelling or for infantry deployment/exfiltration, whereas the faster designs of say the Apache Helicopter were meant for assaults. In Broken Steel you go into a Vertibirds interior, the thing is basically all interior. Something like that CANNOT be used for multipurpose roles. More than likely bethesda made it have a gun for gameplay purposes or an oversight, it would be much more realistic to have it have side-guns like in FO4, but no front-facing cannon. Or maybe a small one for defense. As far as we know, the Chinese had a bomber that looks similar to the Kalinin K-7, or the de Havilland Vampire. The K-7 never saw action, but the Vampire/Venom did and proved to be a very fast, agile and a capable fighter/bomber, easily capable of knocking down an Osprey.

 

So, on the Aerial front, the Chinese are pretty golden. Now infantry wise they might be in a bit of a stalemate, but again I think the PRC would win. Yes, it's possible that without the BOS the Enclave would have hold of Liberty Prime, and Liberty Prime could easily knock out a single chimera tank. But tank battles usually don't involve a single tank, they'd have a few tank regiments, usually of numbers in the tens or hundreds. One thing I'd like to point out is that I remember the chimera being somewhat of a guard dog, they'd only be deployed into places where they'd be needed like outposts or refuelling stations. Along with the fact that screw propulsion would simply not work in the rocky, dry parts of America. This means that the Chinese probably has some form of MBT in their ranks that we have yet to see. Do the Enclave have an MBT? Well, let's give them the benefit of the doubt and say they have some of those double-barreled tanks you see around the Commonwealth they got working, we still don't know about the Chinese MBT so again, stalemate.

 

Infantry wise, the Enclave has superior firepower but they have to be able to see their enemy to attack them. The Hei Gui are well trained warriors that know what they're doing and to top it all, you can't see them. But on the downside they prefer to use swords, meaning they have to get closer to their enemies to attack. Enclave soldiers are also well trained, and have superior firepower, but you can see them to attack them. It's also established in Fallout 4 that they have a weakness in that their core is exposed, so a Hei Gui trooper can easily get up behind one and drive their sword into the core and kill them, perhaps even a few. So I think infantry wise a Hei Gui could defeat Enclave Trooper or NCR Ranger. Or, maybe the Enclave managed to fix the exposed core problem.

 

Onto the last front, Navy. Chinese. Easily. What do the Enclave and NCR have? An oil rig? Maybe a few patrol boats (It's a war, there's hardly gonna be any battleships at dock), what do the Chinese have. A whole fucking armada of subs and battleships that could fire long range missiles and atillery.

 

They join forces with the 2070s American Army, then they have a fight.

[oniric1]

shit, dont see the pre war china. Sorry, i dont think the enclave will win but they are still pretty crazy to drop some fev on the ennemi. the china will lost more of the earth troup for the hostile terrain of the u.s.a(radiation, death claw, other mutation.)the stealth armor dont protect from radiation.  it will be funny to make a dlc of that or just a mod. you are a chinese soldier, you need to destroy the city of boston and this capitalis people

[KainsChylde]

Pre-War Chinese military vs. Enclave/NCR alliance? China. How is this even a question?

 

In New Vegas, there's backstory about a war between the NCR and the Brotherhood which the NCR handily won due to numbers. While each BoS Paladin, with power armor and advanced weaponry, was easily the match of 20-30 NCR troopers the NCR didn't just have 20-30 troopers per Paladin. They had 50. So they swarmed the BoS and owned them.

 

Look at the present-day real-world population of China, and extrapolate it out to the 2070s. NCR's population may be overwhelming in the post-apocalypse, but the Chinese military alone (not China as a whole, just their military) would easily outnumber the entire NCR populace. Probably exponentially. Even with Enclave tech, the numbers just don't work.