ghostmist17 Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 Hello! Well I have come to my wits end, I simply cannot figure out what is causing my problem or how to fix it!!! So I turn to you, the resident experts in all things oblivion for some help. Here's what's happening; I really have two problems, First, and I believe this is directly related to Deadly reflexes and bbb on horses, but what do I know? If I ride a horse in first person, everything works fine. If I switch my view while in first person to third person, this is what I see; Furthermore, if I switch back into first person the whole camera goes whacky as if I have removed collision and am viewing in third person with no character. This will eventually crash my game if I switch back and forth more than a few times ... total ctd. If I mount the horse in third person, the view is fine, unless I switch to first person while riding the horse. Okay next problem, and this is the really crappy one! I have finally started the main quest with my current character. I use alternative start http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=11495 by Robert_evrae and the Better Cities patch http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=37808 by Maskar. I don't know if this is relavant, but I did have to use the console to perpetuate the quest because I could never find the damn Amulet! Anyway, when I first approached Kvatch, up the hill from the refugee camp, in firt person camera view, my computer went black except for the HUD (classic nVidia black screen), unless I switched to third person and it came back. Oddly the camera would only be black screen if I was facing the direction of the oblivion gate. In third person I entered the gate and experienced the same problem until I moved away from the gate and finally I was able to resume first person camera playing. After I closed the gate and returned to Kvatch the camera was fine (because the gate was gone? I don't know). Then, when I entered Kvatch itself and went through the temple to make the first assault on the castle gate and had that battle ... well after about 4 or 5 casts of shock spell by the spidera daedra my game ctd's again. ctd always on the 4 or 5th cast of shock spell by spidera daedra. This was also happening while I was in Oblivion, when the Spider daedra cast shock spell one too many times the game crashes. The only work around I have come up with is to use the console to kill the spider daedra as soon as I see them so they don't have a chance to cast shock. Has anyone else experienced these problems? Any fixes you may know of? Open to suggestions! Here is my mod list; Active Mod Files: 00 Oblivion.esm 01 underdark.esm 02 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm 03 Jog_X_Mod.esm 04 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72] 05 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm 06 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm 07 Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 5.1.6] 08 BathingMod_Base.esm 09 Lovers with PK.esm 0A BreakUndies.esm 0B TamagoClub.esm 0C HiyokoClub.esm 0D LoversCreature.esm 0E TantrivayliaChimer.esm 0F Toaster Says Share v3.esm 10 x117race.esm 11 HorseCombatMaster.esm 12 TRoN.esp 13 TRoN Vwalk.esp 14 nVidia Black Screen Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0] 15 BlackScreenToggleFix.esp 16 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0] 17 DLCShiveringIsles.esp 18 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.0] 19 Oblivion Vwalk UOS.esp 1A DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp 1B Better Cities .esp [Version 4.7.0] 1C Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp 1D Idle Dialogue.esp [Version 1.3] 1E PCSoundInnocent.esp [Version 2.6] 1F ElzMoreVoice.esp 20 300_Lore_Dialogue_Updated.esp 21 DID3_DoubleTrouble.esp 22 Gorangas traveling merchant.esp 23 P1DseeYouSleep.esp 24 Unsafe Streets.esp [Version 1.0] 25 Tamriel VWD v0.5.esp 26 Living Economy.esp 27 Living Economy - Items.esp 28 Cutthroat Merchants.esp 29 Crowded Roads Revisited.esp [Version 1.1] 2A FF_Real_Thirst.esp 2B DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.4] 2C kuerteeAutoSaveAndTime.esp 2D EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp 2E MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp 2F BSK Break Undies.esp 30 Dancing Shadow Rose Break Undies.esp 31 MHSNKirin.esp 32 Thieves Arsenal.esp 33 Dollparts' Wild Flower Corsets of Cyrodiil.esp 34 R18PN - Dancer's Dress.esp 35 Slof's Horses Base.esp 36 Slof's Extra Horses.esp 37 Slof's Black Unicorn.esp 38 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72] 39 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63] 3A FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp 3B Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44] 3C Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp 3D Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp 3E Alluring Wine Bottles.esp 3F AdrenalineOblivion-SupportElements.esp 40 AdrenalineOblivion-SpawnElement.esp 41 Smarter Bandits.esp 42 EM_CompInnsleeping.esp [Version 0.9] 43 Trade and Commerce.esp [Version 1.01] 44 Big Business.esp 45 EM_Packdonkeys.esp [Version 2.1] 46 Abriael_Human.esp 47 Fighters Guild Quests.esp 48 GoldenCrest.esp 49 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp 4A Northern Front.esp 4B Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp 4C Region Revive - Lake Rumare Vwalk.esp 4D Skyrim Alive.esp 4E Tantrivaylia.esp 4F Tantrivaylia Vwalk.esp 50 Tavern-Goers 2.esp 51 thievery.esp 52 Tona's_ModsStore.esp 53 Valenwood Improved.esp [Version 1.02.0] 54 Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp 55 Knights.esp 56 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2] 57 Knights Vwalk UOP.esp 58 EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp 59 AFK_Weye.esp [Version 2.32.COBL] 5A AFK_Weye Vwalk.esp 5B Rumare-AFK_Weye Patch.esp [Version 2.2] 5C Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp 5D ElsweyrAnequina.esp 5E ElsweyrAnequina Vwalk.esp 5F Elsweyr plantations & co..esp 60 Tales from Elsweyr Anequina.esp 61 ShezriesTownsMaster.esp 62 ShezriesTownsMaster Vwalk.esp 63 ShezriesTowns-Valenwood Patch.esp 64 xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5] 65 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2] 66 xulTheHeath.esp 67 XulEntiusGorge.esp 68 KvatchAftermath-EntiusGorge compatibility patch.esp 69 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1] 6A Valenwood Improved - Fallenleaf Everglade EV - Patch.esp [Version 1.0] 6B xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1] 6C xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2] 6D xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4] 6E HentaiMania2.esp 6F xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.3] 70 xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.1] 71 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3] 72 xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6] 73 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3] 74 Ravenview-Cloudtop-Patch.esp [Version 2.0] 75 xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3] 76 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1] 77 AFK_Weye Arrius_Creek Patch.esp 78 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.3] 79 xulPantherRiver.esp 7A xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2] 7B Valenwood Improved - River Ethe EV - Patch.esp [Version 1.0] 7C xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1.1] 7D xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.7] 7E RegionReviveLakeRumare-ImperialIsle patch.esp [Version 1.3.4] 7F xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0] 80 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1] 81 KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp 82 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2] 83 Lakewood+AspenWood Patch.esp [Version 3.0] 84 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.2] 85 xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0.4] 86 xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp [Version 1.12] 87 xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp [Version 1.0.2] 88 xulJerallGlacier.esp [Version 1.0.0] 89 xulTheEasternPeaks.esp [Version 1.0] 8A xulTheEasternPeaks Vwalk.esp 8B GoldenCrest-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.esp [Version 1.0] 8C Treasure Maps-UL edition.esp 8D 2nd to 1st person.esp 8E Golden Perch Inn.esp 8F PersuasionOverhaul.esp [Version 1.43] 90 DBWGP.esp [Version 1.17] 91 TamagoBreak.esp 92 TamagoNews.esp 93 TamagoShop.esp 94 TamagoTopic.esp 95 TamagoConfide.esp 96 LoversTamagoClub.esp 97 LoversEncounter.esp 98 HiyokoGenerator.esp 99 TamagoSetBody.esp 9A LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp 9B LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp 9C LoversTachiCat2.esp 9D LoversRaperS.esp 9E LoversJoburg.esp 9F LoversBed.esp A0 LoversPayBandit.esp A1 LoversContraception.esp A2 MaternityClothes.esp A3 LoversGGBlackMail.esp A4 LoversBackup2.esp A5 LoversLight.esp A6 LoversFSE.esp A7 LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp A8 LoversStopKillRaper.esp A9 LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp AA LoversStopCombatEx.esp AB Lovers with PK.esp [Version 90] AC LoversCreature.esp AD LoversSpermSplashEx.esp AE LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp AF LoversSoundVolumeDown.esp B0 Synthetic Studios Ninja Mod.esp B1 Stripper.esp B2 Goranga dating system.esp B3 SetsunaDummyTraining.esp B4 Werewolf-Legends.esp B5 Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp B6 Alternative Start for Better Cities Fix.esp B7 BathingMod_Soap.esp B8 BathingMod_Bathroom_Upgrades.esp B9 BathingMod_Placeable_Bathtubs.esp BA RealisticFatigue.esp BB RealisticHealth.esp BC RealSleepExtended.esp [Version 2.5] BD SetBody.esp BE StealthOverhaul.esp BF Enhanced Thievery.esp C0 RenGuardOverhaul.esp C1 Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp [Version 7.3.5] C2 Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp C3 Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.esp [Version 4] C4 CTAddPose_v_1.esp C5 actors_in_charge.esp C6 zzEstrus.esp C7 _Ren_BeautyPack_onlyhairs.esp C8 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp C9 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp CA SD2011.esp CB eyja.esp CC eyja Vwalk.esp CD Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp CE CSR Fixed.esp CF CSR Balanced.esp D0 not_recruit_companions.esp D1 CompanionFergus.esp [Version 2.0] D2 1em_Vilja.esp [Version 4.04] D3 1em_Vilja_as_Custom_by_Gonzoguns.esp D4 Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52] D5 LoversMB2.esp D6 Better Cities Full.esp [Version 5.1.7] D7 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp [Version 4.7.0] D8 Better Imperial City.esp [Version 5.1.7] D9 Better Cities Resources Vwalk.esp DA Better Cities Full Vwalk.esp DB Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp [Version 5.1.2] DC Better Cities B&M - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp [Version 5.1.2] DD Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp [Version 5.1.0] DE Better Cities CHORROL - Werewolf.esp DF Better Cities BRUMA - Werewolf.esp E0 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp [Version 5.0.0] E1 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp [Version 5.1.0] E2 Better Cities - Thievery.esp [Version 4.8.0] E3 Better Cities - Werewolf-Legends.esp [Version 4.8.4] E4 Better Imperial City Vwalk.esp E5 Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2.1] E6 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp [Version 4.8.1] E7 Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp [Version 4.9.0] E8 MassA.I-40.esp E9 DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp EA Real Hunger, Cobl.esp [Version 1.6.1] EB Viconia.esp EC Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp [Version 01] ED Nudeshy X.esp EE nudeshyceadb.esp [Version 2.8.2] EF LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp F0 LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp F1 Kvatch Rebuilt v2.01-WW-LOTN v2 Patch.esp F2 1em_Vilja_Bruse_Pony.esp F3 xeoex.esp F4 xeoex Vwalk.esp F5 Inebriation.esp F6 Specialanims.esp F7 Streamline 3.1.esp
gregathit Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 Ghostmist17, 1. Make sure you are using this skeleton (the controllable version): http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=37596 and this patch for it: http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=40482 Also I recommend grabbing this: http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=21292 and then the patch for DR6 for it: http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=40336 That should correct most of the DR6 problems. Please remember that horse combat is buggy as hell and it is best not to do it in game to avoid crashes and general weirdness. ---------------------------------- 2. To get the amulet with the alternate start mod all you have to do is go to the sewer that you exit from in the vanilla game and you will find a large rat in the first room that has the amulet inside him. ---------------------------------- 3. You need to work on your load order to fix the Kvatch quest line. The bottom of your load order should be: DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp Deadly Reflex 6 - HeX NifSE Patch.esp LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp xeoex.esp xeoex Vwalk.esp Things like: Stream Line, Inebriation and special animations should be up above your lovers mods. Same thing for Vilja Pony. What is the Kvatch rebuilt WW LOTN patch and can you move it further up in your load order to be under the master that it is patching? Since you are already using Wrye Bash, you should look at making a bashed patch to help remove conflicts from your Load order. Making a bashed patch is rather simple and there is a pictorial guide if you need help: http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=35230 Just remember not to include any lovers plugins in the bashed patch with the exception of lovers creatures sexual organs. That should be disabled and merged into your bashed patch.
ghostmist17 Posted April 24, 2012 Author Posted April 24, 2012 Ghostmist17' date=' 1. Make sure you are using this skeleton (the controllable version): http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=37596 and this patch for it: http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=40482 Also I recommend grabbing this: http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=21292 and then the patch for DR6 for it: http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=40336 That should correct most of the DR6 problems. Please remember that horse combat is buggy as hell and it is best not to do it in game to avoid crashes and general weirdness. ---------------------------------- 2. To get the amulet with the alternate start mod all you have to do is go to the sewer that you exit from in the vanilla game and you will find a large rat in the first room that has the amulet inside him. ---------------------------------- 3. You need to work on your load order to fix the Kvatch quest line. The bottom of your load order should be: DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp Deadly Reflex 6 - HeX NifSE Patch.esp LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp xeoex.esp xeoex Vwalk.esp Things like: Stream Line, Inebriation and special animations should be up above your lovers mods. Same thing for Vilja Pony. What is the Kvatch rebuilt WW LOTN patch and can you move it further up in your load order to be under the master that it is patching? Since you are already using Wrye Bash, you should look at making a bashed patch to help remove conflicts from your Load order. Making a bashed patch is rather simple and there is a pictorial guide if you need help: http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=35230 Just remember not to include any lovers plugins in the bashed patch with the exception of lovers creatures sexual organs. That should be disabled and merged into your bashed patch. [/quote'] Hey that's great! I did not have the NiFSE DR6 patch, and I'm rearranging my load order according to your recommendations. Kvath - LOTN patch is Legends of the North and Kvatch rebuilt patch, it can go below Werewolf-Legends esp. I'll give it a try and see how it does. Thank you for the help! I'll let you know if it works.
ghostmist17 Posted April 27, 2012 Author Posted April 27, 2012 Well... I sure do appreciate learning about the NifSE patch for DR6 and I believe it has added a lot of stability to my game. I discovered that if I do not load the specialanims.esp last (which is the esp for Pretty Woman animation replacer)it does not function. So I must load it after everything else. I tried playing without the esp in the hopes I would still be able to ride horses and change my perspective but to no avail. Furthermore, even after changing my load order I still experienced ctd during combat with spider daedras casting shock spell. I thought maybe if I could change the shock spell graphics it would help... and it did. I downloaded and installed Duke Patrick's Combat Magic (really cool mod I have discovered by the way). Duke Patrick's combat magic changes the graphics of the shock spell and this added an immense amount of stability to my game when in combat against the spider daedras. Unfortunately I still experience ctd in massive scale combat. This could be a result of my massAI and adrenaline esps, I'm not sure. I found that when there were fewer enemies, the chances of ctd were much less. I appreciate you advice, it has helped improved my game stabilization. But, I still suffer from frozen stick person disease on my horse, and must console cheat to face spider daedra. Still open to suggestions!
gregathit Posted April 28, 2012 Posted April 28, 2012 Well I may be able to suggest some things to help but I need some info from you: 1. What operating system do you have? Win7, Vista, XP? 2. What bit? 64 or 32? 3. What are your computer specs: A. Amount of RAM? B. CPU Hz, type (intel or amd) and how many cores? C. Graphics card type and memory size?
ghostmist17 Posted June 29, 2012 Author Posted June 29, 2012 I'm sure my response has been much anticipated. I sorry for not answering your questions cuz you were just trying to help. Actually I did post a response a long time ago and it took me forever to answer your questions but I did, then I hit the wrong button on my browser and deleted my answer - in frustration i did not retype it. I have found the problem though! The conflict was Duke Patrick's Combat Archery, once disabling it the spider daedras and any other malevolent has been able to throw one shock spell after another at me. Thank you for all your assistance!
gregathit Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 No problem! That you are fixed is all that matters! Have fun
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