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[wolfzq]

首先，我为自己在Lover Lab开的DLC帖子并说了些坏话道歉。

但这并不是我觉得我的mod不应该收费，这点请分清楚。

 

我的英语不好，可能把外国人说的话理解的片面了，当然有些话就是老外在侮辱我，比如：

I'll say the same thing I said when you began whining over payments for Cursed Armor - if money is all you care about and all you are doing this for, you can just fuck right off

我不知道fuck这个词有没有中性的解释，我的英文告诉我，这个词非常的具有侮辱性！所以我非常气愤！如果是我理解错了，我可以道歉。

 

在我被人骂乞丐后，我确实不小心放了AOE！不过我已经跟说这话的人私下和解了，我们的言语都有过激成分，我们都知道自己有错！所以，我想跟一些只看部分帖内容的人，觉得我是在炫耀并说他们穷的人，说声对不起，我根本没有这种想法，如果您还觉得不够，发帖，我公开向你道歉。

 

我的mod价格开的高，这点我承认，但我吵架的原因不是因为有人跟我讨论高低。而是上来就有人直接骂我！

 

至于魔女0.35，如果Lover lab的玩家无法以一个正常的心态来玩并评分的话，我决定不在这里放出。因为我很在乎自己作品的评价，4星以下的作品，我宁愿永远结束它。这也是我当年做诅咒铠甲的原则！

 

最后，你们看到的图里的装备全部是原创！不是从什么用别人装备改来的！请不要侮辱原创作者的劳动，谢谢。

 

First, I must say sorry, beacuse I open in Lover Lab DLC posts and said some bad word.

 

But this is not what I feel to my mod should not be charging.

 

My English is not good, may understand the foreigners to say the one-sided, of course, there are some things that is a foreigner insult me​​, such as:

 

I'll say the same thing I said when you began whining over payments for Cursed Armor - if money is all you care about and all you are doing this for, you can just fuck right off

 

I do not know the word fuck this neutral explanation, my English told me, the word is very insulting! So I was very angry! If I misunderstood, I apologize.

I was scolded a beggar, I did not carefully put the AOE! I have private settlement with the people say, our words have a radical composition, we know it was wrong! So, I want to say sorry to someone only look a part of the post content and think I say he or she is poor people, because I had not this mind, if you do not feel, posting, I am reply to say sorry.

 

my mod is the high price, I admit, but I quarrel not because someone told me to discuss the level. Only some people insult me!

 

As for the succuba 0.35, if the Lover lab the player can not to a normal state of mind to play and give stars, I decided not here release. Because I care about the evaluation of it. it less than 4 stars, I prefer to let it end forever. This is what I was doing cursed armor of principle!

 

Finally, you see the DLC4's picture of the equipment is all original! Not to use someone's equipment changed. Please do not insult the original author's work, thank you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[qad86]

支持狼大，感谢0.35的分享。

[movomo]

I've read your message WolfZQ. Thanks.

 

Sometimes people criticize others but that doesn't always mean people hate them.

From conclusions from your private message, your English is much readable than Chinese-English google translation, in my opinion.

 

Well, whatever man. I promised not to interfere you, so I'm off.

[Sizustar]

loverlab and Bethesda itself, does not allow transaction of money be involved when distributing mod, if you request payment for download of your mods, then it will get removed by the mod

 

And if you really do want to sell your mod, here is my advice you're origionally asking of $30 dollar is extremely high, and not likely to generate any sale, using my previous example of an Canadian doujin game developer, he made a H-Action platformer game, Kurovadis

http://kyrieru.blogspot.com/

 

It is all origional work, about 2~5 hour of gameplay, he charge $5 USD from his blog, and if purchased from Dlsite(Japan's premier Doujin download service) is 1155 yen, about 15USD. It has sold over 2200 time on Dlsite alone, each sale earn him 7USD, so so far he's earned $15,729 from Dlsite alone, not counting sales from his blog and donation he's gotten.

 

Why did his item sold well?

A. He communicate with the Japanese and English community, and activly participated in said community, thus, Camel of D-gate, and other Japanese Doujin game developer featured his game on their blog.

B. He understood that the game will be pirated, and if such happened, he doesn't remove anything, except request people not to do it, or if possible to donate.

C. He stated what the donation will be used for, aka. If he sold this much, he can put in this number of time, and also kept an active blog on what he is currently working on, aka. Participating in the community.

D. He took all critism, good and bad, and didn't threw a hissy fit when other didn't like it, but responded or ignored those that he felt were immature or trolling.

E. He was able to fix any bug reported quickly, and answer question on future plan and update.

[wolfzq]

loverlab and Bethesda itself' date=' does not allow transaction of money be involved when distributing mod, if you request payment for download of your mods, then it will get removed by the mod

 

And if you really do want to sell your mod, here is my advice you're origionally asking of $30 dollar is extremely high, and not likely to generate any sale, using my previous example of an Canadian doujin game developer, he made a H-Action platformer game, Kurovadis

http://kyrieru.blogspot.com/

 

It is all origional work, about 2~5 hour of gameplay, he charge $5 USD from his blog, and if purchased from Dlsite(Japan's premier Doujin download service) is 1155 yen, about 15USD. It has sold over 2200 time on Dlsite alone, each sale earn him 7USD, so so far he's earned $15,729 from Dlsite alone, not counting sales from his blog and donation he's gotten.

 

Why did his item sold well?

A. He communicate with the Japanese and English community, and activly participated in said community, thus, Camel of D-gate, and other Japanese Doujin game developer featured his game on their blog.

B. He understood that the game will be pirated, and if such happened, he doesn't remove anything, except request people not to do it, or if possible to donate.

C. He stated what the donation will be used for, aka. If he sold this much, he can put in this number of time, and also kept an active blog on what he is currently working on, aka. Participating in the community.

D. He took all critism, good and bad, and didn't threw a hissy fit when other didn't like it, but responded or ignored those that he felt were immature or trolling.

E. He was able to fix any bug reported quickly, and answer question on future plan and update.

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我不会再来这里宣传我的DLC，请放心。

当然我要辩解下费用问题。魔女DLC并不是小作品，ESP大小1.3MB，开发时间6个月，内有4套衣服、40000字的剧情、6套KF等，速攻需要20小时，正常游戏时间50小时左右，试问一款这样的游戏你的心理价位是多少？呵呵

再给你简单对比下，诅咒铠甲ESP只有1.1MB，4套衣服，速攻时间10小时，正常游戏时间30小时。跟魔女DLC最大的不同，很多东西都是别人的，而魔女DLC是原创的。

 

I will not come here to promote my DLC, please reassurance.

 

Of course, I want to excuse the cost. succuba DLC is not a small mod, ESP size 1.2MB, 6 months of development time, there are 4 clothes, a 40,000 word story, 6 KF, fast play 20 hours, about 50 hours of the normal play time, how mush is better, can you tell me?

 

Give a simple comparison, the cursed armor ESP is only 1.1MB, 4 sets of clothes, fast play 10 hours, 30 hours of normal play time.The biggest difference between them, succuba DLC's lot of things are the original.

 

[wolfzq]

Sizustar

谢谢你告诉我这些，但很抱歉，那个网站我进不去。

这帖只是为了道歉，DLC的问题近期我都不想再去想。

0.35过几天我可能会重新发布，但如果还是很快跌到4星以下，我可以肯定，我还是会删掉它。

[Sizustar]

Sizustar

谢谢你告诉我这些，但很抱歉，那个网站我进不去。

这帖只是为了道歉，DLC的问题近期我都不想再去想。

0.35过几天我可能会重新发布，但如果还是很快跌到4星以下，我可以肯定，我还是会删掉它。

 

Your mod, your choice on how and who to distribute it to.

If using resource from other mods, it is a good idea to give credit, if it's all origional work, Good job.

 

Translation for Wolf to everyone at loverlab -

Wolf will re-upload 0.35 in the next few day, but if the rating fall below 4 star, he will remove the download link.

[Guest Donkey]

WolfZQ don't let the star rating effect your mood. My mods get rated down all the time. Still i see many people downloading it. The star rating has no effect since you cannot even see who rated your mod down. That is why they should even remove this option.

[lalazxc]

你就是个乞丐，你看国外做MOD的有谁要付费了，T网那么多MOD，就算每个MOD只要一分钱，然后分红给MODDER，那个网站要赚多少钱。

你还是从别人的游戏里再次修改，游戏厂商没找你的麻烦就不错了，还把自己说得很清高一样，也许你白天就是在路边要饭，晚上从别人那里偷电偷网来玩的，电脑也许都是偷的。

克劳德的秘密，人家收费了没有，身型作者，人家收费了没有。

SPB做了那么多MOD，当然很多是修改别人的，不知道什么原因把T网的很多MOD删了，但是自己开了个BLOG依然自娱自乐，偶尔也放几个MOD给我们分享。

你做不起MOD就不要做，你就像小姐，玩不起高档生活就去卖，没人买还要强卖了，别人没钱你也去卖，卖了别人没钱给自己吃亏还有理了。

我是个中国人，以上文字是自己打的，以下英文用在线翻译翻的。

You are a beggar, and you look abroad to do the mod who to pay, the T network then the MOD, even as long as a penny each MOD then dividends MODDER, that site and how much money.

You or someone else's game again modify the game makers did not find you the trouble, let themselves be very lofty, like, maybe you during the day is at the roadside begging, steal the power to steal from others at night network play , the computer may be stolen.

Claude's secret, people charges not the body type of people charges.

SPB have done so much the MOD, of course, modify someone else's, do not know the reason to delete a lot of MOD T network, but a BLOG still entertain, and occasionally put a few mod to share with us.

You do not afford the MOD do not do it, you like a lady, afford to go upscale living selling will buy but also sell other people have no money you go to sell, sell other people money to give to his own hurt there is reason .

I am a Chinese, the above text is their play, the following English Translator turn.

[wolfzq]

算了，这帖是我不想再变成吵架帖，楼上的，乞丐是什么？是伸手乞讨的人。我就算定价高不对，但也不是白拿别人的钱！凭什么说我是乞丐？你语文学成这样我真为你感到悲哀，仅此而已。

[GSBmodders]

wolf, i have always liked and respected your work. I hope that we continue to see more of it regardless of how you intend to distribute it in the future.

 

thank you for all that you have giving to us

 

[wolfzq]

wolf' date=' i have always liked and respected your work. I hope that we continue to see more of it regardless of how you intend to distribute it in the future.

 

thank you for all that you have giving to us

 

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Thanks, if i can i will do.

[stomoped]

Your work is very good, though not without bugs.

[drabe707]

wolfzq greats mods as always, and thanks for the ones your shared

as for the the stars ranking.... i never noticed going to ranking all the mods i downloaded and liked right now:cool:

[daedrasp]

If u have priced at your mods then it more needs guaranty in stable play. Paid game must have good reference and good manual and continual user support as like FAQ or error report. As like Bethesda's UOP patch.

And must not like Cursed Armor that can't more play bug or critical down and stopping release and no more update. Your mods are Fresh and good but it have many bug and stopping release and so often change project and story line it's not good.

Please don't think paid user as dumb. They r your customer and need carefull service. If u don't agree in this then don't sell mods.

All project in free and alpha version then have free in duty but you make that paid version then you must guaranty continual development and care service and promise to future story(or patch) about YOUR PRODUCT.

[Maligus]

I'm pretty certain to my knowledge that charging money for a modification to another companies game is considered illegal unless the company gives permission. That is why you see people asking for donations instead of charging for content. If the content is standalone this may be different. For example if you develop and sell a game on the UDK engine after you make I think $50,000USD profit on sales you must give EPIC something like 5% of revenue in the future sales.

 

Check this information to make sure it is correct.

[Ark of Truth]

It is illegal....as it's using copyrighted material.

[Symon]

Violating an EULA is not illegal, especially when it is shrink-wrapped. As every one has a clause 'this EULA shall not violate your statutory rights' one could argue an EULA is entirely meaningless. I've NEVER heard of one being enforced.

 

In my line of work, we keep to EULA's NOT because we think we'd be violating 'the law' if we broke it, but because it shows 'concern' for our partner.

 

If a relationship goes sour, it's copyright, trademark and patent that matter.

 

Why do you think Google and Oracle are at each others throats over Patents but never mention the EULAs eh?

[kyubey]

I'm pretty sure that Bethesda has enforced its EULA in court several times against modders who took payment.

[Symon]

I don't believe so. Not over the EULA. Copyright etc, yes; but they aren't the EULA.

 

It would be difficult to enforce a contract (which is at best, what an EULA is) in a court, with no evidence the sued party agreed to the contract in the first place. Shrink-wrap EULAs are pretty tissue-like things. (What sticker? Wasn't one on the game I bought from the shop, after I saw the Ad from the Company that urged me to 'own it today'.)

 

I wouldn't bet a company of mine on a flimsy EULA (complete with 'All clauses are null and void if your countries consumer preotection says so' clause) in a court.

 

I repeat, why do the big players not cite EULA's in legal disputes with one another? Because they mean very little.

 

Remeber what EULA stands for? 'End User License Agreement'. The shop however sells you the game, advertises the game, and doesn't sell bits of paper. Of course, with digital distribution via say Steam, that may be a different matter. Maybe you do buy the license and not the game?

[Ark of Truth]

Then why was the modder who created Unholy Darkness told to remove the payment option from his mod? The same thing is vaild here as well.

[Symon]

For the same reason companies get lawyers to write letters telling people to stop doing something. It often works. It would be interesting to know what they said. It would have been even more interesting to know what would have happened if he'd declined. Either way, if it had reached court, I don't think the EULA would be mentioned. Copyright or Trademark would be more likely. Elder Scrolls is Trademark to Beth remember.

 

Breaking copyright, patent or Trademark often lands you in court. Breaking an EULA doesn't as far as I know, as they have no real force, especially as there is no way of proving you accepted it, as you didn't sign it!

 

The four are VERY different.

 

For example, in many jurisdictions, if you are not given the option to inspect a contract before agreeing to it, it has no force. As the average EULA is wrapped away and can only be inspected after purchase, it's automatically void!

 

It's called a 'shrink-wrap EULA' and they are not taken that seriously and illegal in certain jurisdictions. They violate statutory rights regarding the purchase of goods. The law can be an ass, but it does sometimes protect the individual. Large companies still can't quite do anything they like.

 

For example, many computer game stores have a 'no returns policy'. A good friend of mine doesn't accept this. If he (legitimately) needs to return a game he does so. When he gets 'our policy is no returns', he calmly says, 'It's unused and undamaged, here's proof of purchase. Sales of goods act says you must accept the return, or do I have to contact Trading Standards. (Shop assistant phones or summons a manager and then after a conversation, quietly proffers the refund.)

[Guest Donkey]

actually your wrong symon. Someone also made oblivion mod under crysis engine and bethesda used his Eula for copyright breach. He only showed video's and he did not even release it as a mod. Gues what happened ?? They made lawsuit against this modder forced him to take his video down and never release another work like this. So they can and have already proved it on several occasion. including the one from that vampire mod. Where he was even selling some till forced to take this part down.

 

The moment you use any part of geck or TES and planning on selling the mod you are making copyright breach you did not have permission from bethesda to earn money on there tools.

 

Skyrim is different since now they allow modders to earn through steam. Not sure what they have changed.

 

For example, many computer game stores have a 'no returns policy'. A good friend of mine doesn't accept this. If he (legitimately) needs to return a game he does so. When he gets 'our policy is no returns', he calmly says, 'It's unused and undamaged, here's proof of purchase. Sales of goods act says you must accept the return, or do I have to contact Trading Standards. (Shop assistant phones or summons a manager and then after a conversation, quietly proffers the refund.)

 

This is true. Till he opens the package in that case even if he has legitimate reseaon the store will never take refund.

 

If the game was really unused and not been open then a store must take the product back period.

 

Many people have misused this in the past by opeing the package copy the game stealing the serial then return the game. That is why they had to change this principle.

[Symon]

Exactly! Copyright, not the EULA. They are not the same thing. Beth are protected by Copyright without or despite the EULA.

An EULA is nothing to do with Copyright.

 

I can apply for a patent.

I register a Trademark.

I establish my copyright.

These are all separate and independent things, and copyright is the easiest.

 

I can intimidate you with my EULA, with it's clauses that I admit may not apply in your jurisdiction.

 

See the difference?

[Guest Donkey]

Exactly! Copyright' date=' not the EULA. They are not the same thing. Beth are protected by Copyright without or despite the EULA.

An EULA is nothing to do with Copyright.

 

I can apply for a patent.

I register a Trademark.

I establish my copyright.

These are all separate and independent things, and copyright is the easiest.

 

I can intimidate you with my EULA, with it's clauses that I admit may not apply in your jurisdiction.

 

See the difference?

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Yes i see your point i think i got Eula and copyright mixed up. I always thought they where just the same thing. Since copyright don't allow you to do anything with it also is the case like Eula.

 

They always say you cannot sell under Eula but also you cannot sell under copyright.

 

Either way. Wolfzq will get in trouble for selling mods by using Bethesda Tes editor. As you already see they are protected also under copyright. So if he used any part from oblivion.esm in his mods or used bethesda tools. He cannot sell.