jumquat Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 At the start of the weekend I began having really bad ctd issues when starting a new game. The ctd will come right after the loading screen fades out or after a random amount of time no greater than 30 seconds after character creation. I had added sexlabvanillavoices and expressions, but with mod organizer i disabled them for troubleshooting purposes and still have these ctd problems. Pretty much have been banging my head against this since. SKSE 1.7.2, FNIS 5.5, LOOT, Realvision enb 279 loadorder.txt Skyrim.esm Update.esm Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Dawnguard.esm Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp HearthFires.esm Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Dragonborn.esm Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm hdtHighHeel.esm RSkyrimChildren.esm ApachiiHair.esm ClimatesOfTamriel.esm SexLab.esm Devious Devices - Assets.esm SexLabAroused.esm ZaZAnimationPack.esm Devious Devices - Integration.esm Devious Devices - Expansion.esm CreatureFramework.esm daymoyl.esm BeeingFemale.esm SkyUI.esp UIExtensions.esp Schlongs of Skyrim.esp SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp RaceMenu.esp RaceMenuPlugin.esp Hair Physics Project.esp Brows.esp HDTEarring.esp Hoop Earrings.esp AzarHairPonyTail 03 - Havok.esp AddItemMenu.esp titkit.esp TMsuicidegirl0.92.esp AK_RM_PubicStyles_All_In_One.esp mortenhairs.esp Balanced_Magic_Dawnguard.esp RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp RND_USKP-Patch.esp The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp EnhancedLightsandFX.esp Tamriel Reloaded HD.esp ELFX - Exteriors.esp CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp ApachiiHairStyles.esp ELFXEnhancer.esp sanguinesDebauchery.esp ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp Maria.esp Balanced_Magic.esp FoxClub.esp SexLab_DibellaCult.esp RSChildren - Complete.esp RSChildren_PatchUSKP.esp ApachiiHairStylesELVES.esp SBF All In One + DLC.esp CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp zzLSAR.esp CWINPCApachiiSkyHair.esp Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp Wind Destruction.esp Water Destruction.esp Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp NonSexLabAnimationPack.esp MoreNastyCritters.esp SexLabNudeCreatures.esp SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp Captured Dreams.esp DFB - Random Encounters.esp hydra_slavegirls.esp HentaiCreatures.esp Cloaks.esp PonyTailClub.esp xazPrisonOverhaul.esp qayl.esp CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp Devious Deviants.esp SED7-CBBE3-BM_ALLin1-EDITION.esp SED7-CBBE3-Allin1-EDITION Merged.esp GagSFX.esp Deviously Enslaved.esp DeviouslyHelpless.esp SexLab_DibellaCult_Sisters.esp MariaDaymoyl.esp SexLabDefeat.esp dD Enchanted Chests.esp ImmerSlave-DeviceCut.esp DeviousDevice - More Devious Quest.esp Deviously Cursed Loot.esp sextoys-calyps-2.esp RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp SexLab_Dialogues.esp SOS - Shop.esp ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp RND_AnimalLoot.esp TheEyesOfBeauty.esp BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp BeeingFemaleShops.esp The Dance of Death - Dawnguard Edition.esp Strap.esp Gatti13AshesOn.esp dgSaveTheQueen.esp lilithseviscerator.esp Berserk Greatsword.esp Ashbringer - Johnskyrim.esp Dread Knight Weapon Set.esp Kyna Armor.esp Elecp's Vampdress.esp DF_T17.esp Aradia Lingerie Dress.esp aod - fullplate.esp renaissance_heroes.esp LUSH Gear SexyWaif Set.esp Salome.esp ElysiumArmor.esp Empire Mercenaries.esp GagSFXDawnguard.esp GagSFXDragonborn.esp GagSFXHearthfires.esp priestwarriorfullsetarmor.esp ts_slickarmour.esp ts_slinkyleotard.esp vampirehunterd.esp whiterunqueenarmor.esp dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp SexLab Vanilla Voices.esp DeviousToys.esp Blush When Aroused.esp Blush When Aroused CE.esp Angeli Devious Expansion.esp Extended Slider Colors.esp Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp ImmerSlave.esp zzEstrus.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp plugins.txt Skyrim.esm Update.esm Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Dawnguard.esm Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp HearthFires.esm Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Dragonborn.esm Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm hdtHighHeel.esm RSkyrimChildren.esm ApachiiHair.esm ClimatesOfTamriel.esm SexLab.esm Devious Devices - Assets.esm SexLabAroused.esm ZaZAnimationPack.esm Devious Devices - Integration.esm Devious Devices - Expansion.esm CreatureFramework.esm daymoyl.esm BeeingFemale.esm SkyUI.esp UIExtensions.esp Schlongs of Skyrim.esp SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp RaceMenu.esp RaceMenuPlugin.esp Hair Physics Project.esp Brows.esp HDTEarring.esp Hoop Earrings.esp AzarHairPonyTail 03 - Havok.esp AddItemMenu.esp titkit.esp TMsuicidegirl0.92.esp AK_RM_PubicStyles_All_In_One.esp mortenhairs.esp Balanced_Magic_Dawnguard.esp RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp RND_USKP-Patch.esp The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp EnhancedLightsandFX.esp Tamriel Reloaded HD.esp ELFX - Exteriors.esp CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp ApachiiHairStyles.esp ELFXEnhancer.esp sanguinesDebauchery.esp ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp Maria.esp Balanced_Magic.esp FoxClub.esp SexLab_DibellaCult.esp RSChildren - Complete.esp RSChildren_PatchUSKP.esp ApachiiHairStylesELVES.esp SBF All In One + DLC.esp zzLSAR.esp CWINPCApachiiSkyHair.esp Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp Wind Destruction.esp Water Destruction.esp Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp NonSexLabAnimationPack.esp MoreNastyCritters.esp SexLabNudeCreatures.esp SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp Captured Dreams.esp DFB - Random Encounters.esp hydra_slavegirls.esp HentaiCreatures.esp Cloaks.esp PonyTailClub.esp xazPrisonOverhaul.esp qayl.esp CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp Devious Deviants.esp SED7-CBBE3-BM_ALLin1-EDITION.esp SED7-CBBE3-Allin1-EDITION Merged.esp GagSFX.esp Deviously Enslaved.esp DeviouslyHelpless.esp SexLab_DibellaCult_Sisters.esp MariaDaymoyl.esp SexLabDefeat.esp dD Enchanted Chests.esp ImmerSlave-DeviceCut.esp DeviousDevice - More Devious Quest.esp Deviously Cursed Loot.esp sextoys-calyps-2.esp RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp SexLab_Dialogues.esp SOS - Shop.esp ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp RND_AnimalLoot.esp TheEyesOfBeauty.esp BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp BeeingFemaleShops.esp The Dance of Death - Dawnguard Edition.esp Strap.esp Gatti13AshesOn.esp dgSaveTheQueen.esp lilithseviscerator.esp Berserk Greatsword.esp Ashbringer - Johnskyrim.esp Dread Knight Weapon Set.esp Kyna Armor.esp Elecp's Vampdress.esp DF_T17.esp Aradia Lingerie Dress.esp aod - fullplate.esp renaissance_heroes.esp LUSH Gear SexyWaif Set.esp Salome.esp ElysiumArmor.esp Empire Mercenaries.esp GagSFXDawnguard.esp GagSFXDragonborn.esp GagSFXHearthfires.esp priestwarriorfullsetarmor.esp ts_slickarmour.esp ts_slinkyleotard.esp vampirehunterd.esp whiterunqueenarmor.esp dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp SexLab Vanilla Voices.esp DeviousToys.esp Blush When Aroused.esp Blush When Aroused CE.esp Angeli Devious Expansion.esp Extended Slider Colors.esp Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp ImmerSlave.esp zzEstrus.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp also attatched is 3 papyrus logs, all of them stopped at different points to reflect the random timing of the crashes. Papyrus.rar
RedMonika Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 So, was it playing fine before adding these 2 mods? I'm not seeing any alternate start mod, so, you're going through the cart ride, getting off, greet, make character and then boom?
Anatriax Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 So, was it playing fine before adding these 2 mods? I'm not seeing any alternate start mod, so, you're going through the cart ride, getting off, greet, make character and then boom? 4th from the bottom It's there. lol
RedMonika Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 So, was it playing fine before adding these 2 mods? I'm not seeing any alternate start mod, so, you're going through the cart ride, getting off, greet, make character and then boom? 4th from the bottom It's there. lol I see.. lol
jumquat Posted August 10, 2015 Author Posted August 10, 2015 yes everything was working great up until I messed with those two. However what boggles me is that those two should have no bearing when disabled in mod organizer.
Anatriax Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 Are you creating a brand new character with Alternate start? Where exactly is it crashing?
jumquat Posted August 10, 2015 Author Posted August 10, 2015 Brand new character using alternate start, their will be times when the load screen fades out and you can kinda here the game music start when it crashes. Then there is after character creation is finished, ill just sit there as everything is loading up and up to id say 30 seconds is the longest it will go before crashing. It will never crash during character creation.
Anatriax Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 Do you have Safety Load and Racemenu Precache Killer? If not, get them, and report back.
jumquat Posted August 10, 2015 Author Posted August 10, 2015 loaded up, one crash after loading screen, 2 crashes after creation.
Anatriax Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 That's about all I have to offer. A lot of the plugins you're using I am not familiar with. Sorry friend
jumquat Posted August 10, 2015 Author Posted August 10, 2015 it's all good, I do appreciate the help. Probably just going to slash and burn the load order and start new.
Anatriax Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 If that's what you're planning on doing, I HIGHLY suggest following my guide. Each mod has been tested for stability and performance impact. The texture optimization protocols are outdated, however. I'll be updating them in a few weeks. After just finishing my TTW and working on wrapping up my Morroblivion guide, I'm slightly burnt out on guides for the time. I need to actually enjoy playing a bit. haha!
Killing Joke Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 Do you have Safety Load and Racemenu Precache Killer? If not, get them, and report back. Already integrated into Racemenu. Make sure SOS isn't overwriting any file from other mods, if my memory serves well its papyrusutil version is outdated. Use Violens in place of dance of death, more up-to-date and still supported. The same way, ditch out RND for ineed. And well, you have Death Alternative, which is VERY script heavy and not really the most stable mod of the world. AND other mods also script heavy. You're basically playing with fire. It's indeed a good idea to review everything and start building slowly your game from the ground up by testing stability after every few mods you install until you get what you desire, Skyrim being unstable as fuck a delicate and unpredictable flower, modding it is where your adventure actually begins.
Anatriax Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 Do you have Safety Load and Racemenu Precache Killer? If not, get them, and report back. Already integrated into Racemenu. Make sure SOS isn't overwriting any file from other mods, if my memory serves well its papyrusutil version is outdated. Use Violens in place of dance of death, more up-to-date and still supported. The same way, ditch out RND for ineed. And well, you have Death Alternative, which is VERY script heavy and not really the most stable mod of the world. AND other mods also script heavy. You're basically playing with fire. It's indeed a good idea to review everything and start building slowly your game from the ground up by testing stability after every few mods you install until you get what you desire, Skyrim being unstable as fuck a delicate and unpredictable flower, modding it is where your adventure actually begins. Really? Then why does my system lag when bringing up the racemenu without them? Hmmmmmm. EDIT: I just read through the documentation for Racemenu. It does not say anything about having the precache killer integrated into Racemenu anywhere at all. "DisableFaceGenCache", yes. It says it includes that. Tried it before. It never worked for me. Racemenu Precache Killer does. I've been using racemenu for years, on a very heavily modded game. I have ALWAYS had to have the precache killer in order to prevent super long load times, and CTDs, during character creation and editing. The same goes with Safety Load. Yes yes. I know that it SAYS if you have your memory blocks set up properly in SKSE.ini, you do not need it. This isn't entirely true. Setting up your memory blocks doesn't prevent the infinite loading screen. Safety Load does, and it also makes sure the blocks are dumped at the start of a loading screen.
Killing Joke Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 When I say it integrates it, I mean its features. It's part of Chargen extensions which have been integrated into racemenu some time ago, around version 2.5 or something. And since then I've never experienced slowdowns and even less CTD, me too with a lot of bells and whistles installed. Neither heard this from other users. If your racemenu install is vanilla, you should already have the line bDisableFaceGenCache=1 in your chargen.ini. At any rate, you should see that with Expired because it's not suppose to happen, especially CTD.
Anatriax Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 All you have to do is look at my guide and see what mods I use, and what changes I make to them. I have a different MO profile for testing mods WITH that setup, but primarily that's my playthru setup. Like I said, I've always experienced hangups when bringing up Racemenu. Installing the dedicated Precache Killer fixes it. One "disables" the cache, the other completely dumps the memory blocks whenever you enter the command "showracemenu". So logically: One keeps things from loading that it shouldn't, the other dumps everything that shouldn't be there. Sounds like a pretty good (and logical) combination to me, and it's proven to work over 3 years of modding. EDIT: Not trying to sound argumentative. Just stating that, just because it hasn't been needed for you, or you haven't heard of the issue from others... doesn't mean that the issue isn't there. When it is there? This is the fix I've found after trying several other fixes.
Killing Joke Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 EDIT: Not trying to sound argumentative. Just stating that, just because it hasn't been needed for you, or you haven't heard of the issue from others... doesn't mean that the issue isn't there. When it is there? This is the fix I've found after trying several other fixes. Of course, it's cool, we're just talking about video game, nothing serious business. To make myself clear, I've never implied that you suck/don't know what you're talking about/you're making up things (sorry if I did sound this way). A bug-free software doesn't exist. It's just that I was surprised because I didn't heard for this issue for a veeeery long time and I took a look at racemenu's page during our conversation (to make sure), I didn't see anyone bringing up this issue recently. But we know that modding skyrim isn't hard science, it's more voodoo magic than anything else. Sucks that it happens to you. Off topic : just took a look at your guide, nice job, covers quite a lot STEP doesn't. But your sceenshots don't work for me IDK why
Anatriax Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 EDIT: Not trying to sound argumentative. Just stating that, just because it hasn't been needed for you, or you haven't heard of the issue from others... doesn't mean that the issue isn't there. When it is there? This is the fix I've found after trying several other fixes. Of course, it's cool, we're just talking about video game, nothing serious business. To make myself clear, I've never implied that you suck/don't know what you're talking about/you're making up things (sorry if I did sound this way). A bug-free software doesn't exist. It's just that I was surprised because I didn't heard for this issue for a veeeery long time and I took a look at racemenu's page during our conversation (to make sure), I didn't see anyone bringing up this issue recently. But we know that modding skyrim isn't hard science, it's more voodoo magic than anything else. Sucks that it happens to you. Off topic : just took a look at your guide, nice job, covers quite a lot STEP doesn't. But your sceenshots don't work for me IDK why My screenshots have been broken since the last revision in early July. No clue why, either. I'm going to have to upload totally new ones. I'll get to that once I go through my install process (and revise the guide, yet again), which I'll get to once I've completed my Morroblivion guide, and go back through the TTW guide and fix some of the bugs I've found there while playing. I do include Pre-Cache Killer (and several other mods) in my guide, mostly for preventative measures, too. I know A LOT of people don't have the problem I've mentioned... but if they follow my guide, they're getting most of the fixes that cause issues taken care of ahead of time. 95% of the issues people have reported with my guide are user error, because they didn't read the directions entirely. LOL The other 5% has been hardware not being able to keep up with the heavy scripting, or HD textures. Thank you, though. Hearing that I've done a good job on my guide brings a smile to my face (more than my hubby does hehe).
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