The deep web?

B0ss plz · July 2, 2015

What's happening guys!

I came across this word while randomly researching things on the web. I've done further investigation about this and have been surprised and disturbed.

What is it really? There are videos on YouTube stating that there are very interesting things you can discover over there but it came with a warning in comments and other videos explaining that if you take a wrong turn, well you can see some really fucked up shit if not careful. Like, the stuff on this website doesn't come even close to compared what is over there.

So, now I'm asking if there are any experienced Tor (as they call it) users here at all. What could you tell me, are there things you can learn from there or is it just a big NOPE fest?

Mister X · July 2, 2015

Technically, what's called the "Deep Web" only are websites that can't be found by search engines. Though normally it's a bit more widespread and also includes websites, that aren't available with the common browsers (like Chrome, FF, ...)

And the latter one, especially websites with weird URLs and .onion TLDs it's a big nope. Those are sites where you literally can hire assassins, buy underage prostitutes and all this fucked up shit. So those platforms and websites are a big NOPE.

And that's also the main reason, why I myself don't use a TOR browser.

Luminar · July 2, 2015

The so-called "deep web," consisting of internet content not indexed by search engines, includes a huge variety of content. These range from .onion websites accessible through TOR, Friend to Friend networks, password-protected online resources, and a variety of other content that for some reason or another doesn't get indexed. Deep web content can range from the innocuous, to the offensive, to the illegal, much like content on indexed websites. Because deep web content isn't indexed by search engines, prior knowledge of the content and how to access it may be required.

As for Tor specifically, Tor is useful for accessing hidden services that only accept connections from within the Tor network. Examples include the defunct Silk Road marketplace and other black market websites, file-sharing services, etc. Tor may also be used by political dissidents, paranoid nutjobs, and others for anonymous web communication and dodging Government SIGINT operations. Naturally though, online anonymity doesn't do you much good if the government gets you from the HUMINT side of things.

Userper · July 2, 2015

The deep web is a term used by the media to demonize websites that can't be accessed by search engines, like the guys above said.

Its also applied to websites like LL...

Because content out of the norm is also categorised as being part of the "Deep web" i.e. modding, porn( lol ), alternate media, hell even torrents classify, believe me its just another media buzz word used to justify censorship and surveillance.

Kaputzki · July 2, 2015

Lots of pedo stuff, too.

http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1760-5-things-i-learned-infiltrating-deep-web-child-molesters.html

Addendum: take Cracked's articles with a grain of salt.

Luminar · July 2, 2015

Lots of pedo stuff, too.

http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1760-5-things-i-learned-infiltrating-deep-web-child-molesters.html

Addendum: take Cracked's articles with a grain of salt.

No surprise there. Avoiding indexing by search engines is a basic way of hiding illegal content and discussion of illegal activities.

mybrainhurts · July 2, 2015

The deep web is a term used by the media to demonize websites that can't be accessed by search engines, like the guys above said.

Its also applied to websites like LL...

Because content out of the norm is also categorised as being part of the "Deep web" i.e. modding, porn( lol ), alternate media, hell even torrents classify, believe me its just another media buzz word used to justify censorship and surveillance.

All of that is categorically untrue. LL, for example, is indexed by standard search engines and is therefore, by definition, not part of the "deep web."

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OP - It's not illegal to use a Tor browser or to access the deep web. But anyone who thinks they can go on there and access child porn or buy illegal drugs, for example, safely and anonymously is in for a terrible shock. Even an otherwise-innocent user can land in trouble clicking links they don't know anything about.

Really, though ... why would a casual surfer want to go there? Yeah, it's wierd and new and whatnot but in the final analysis it can be a risky place and someone better know what he's doing before he starts exploring. My bottom line: Just Don't.

RitualClarity · July 2, 2015

mybrainhurts is correct..

http://www.brightplanet.com/2014/03/clearing-confusion-deep-web-vs-dark-web/

There is Deep Web.. Not searched by web pages. It isn't that big of a deal. Most of it is just unlinked .. kind of like NYT articles.. You have to open the main page to find it. you can just automatically find that article without some help from a search engine (in this case it also includes the internal search engine of NYT for their articles)

Deep Web is anything that a search engine can’t find.

There is Dark Web.. intentional not searchable by web pages. You really need to know what you are looking for there.

The Dark Web then is classified as a small portion of the Deep Web that has been intentionally hidden and is inaccessible through standard web browsers.

TOR is one such example of "the Darkweb".. It is used for many illegal acts. However many civil rights activist, and journalist around the world use it to communicate outside of countries with serious censorship rules and regulations. Much like Torrents.. mostly used for downloading copyrighted materials but can be used for perfectly legal downloads of say the latest Umbuntu distro.. . It is all up to the user as to what they will do with the tools available.

I would advise much more research before you decide to use TORs. they aren't friendly and you can compromise your safety and "leak" your location if you aren't careful defeating the very purpose of using a TOR network . There are premade TOR browsers that can be installed into your OS and function with much of the tools already setup. Not sure how safe that is though.. :dodgy: I would rather you learned what was going on that rely on someone else to "set things up". .

ON a funny side note. I was thinking of setting one up (after I research a bit more) so that I can send communications to a friend or two I know .. Mostly about how his day was going.. lol.. You have to understand. They are techy.. they would get a laugh out of just doing it..

B0ss plz · July 3, 2015

Loving the replys so far, thanks guys. But is there anything to learn there. As in files, documents, pictures or articles you may not find anywhere else. Not sure what I'd be looking for but once I see something interesting I read up on it.

On that note, there were videos about this one sick motherfucker, child pornography, mutilation rape etc. The guy who explained about the video in detail was sick, so I'll leave out the details for your sanity

His name was Peter Scully, makes me cringe when I type it out. Anyway, he was finally caught in the Phillipines (I think) early this year. I watched the story on 60 minutes.

Besides all this crap, is the deep web and the dark web the same thing, or is the dark web just emphasizing the evil stuff you can stumble upon on the deep web?

RitualClarity · July 3, 2015

What is a hammer?..

It is a tool, a tool that can be used for good or bad.. however it is in the end just a tool.

Same as TOR, Torrents, Darkweb, Deepweb.. each are sources for info and contacts. What you do with it is up to you. There can be useful info in there but also a large amount of usefulness info.

On that note, there were videos about this one sick motherfucker, child pornography, mutilation rape etc.

That is an example of bad content. Trouble is if you were there and they (the government you live in) find out you might be investigated for illegal activities. They might not even go to your house just sit on your IP and watch what you do. . Everything you do until they get enough info (depending on your government requirements) It can be risky going willy nilly through Darkweb/ TOR sites.

There are good as well

http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/can_we_still_trust_tor.php

https://www.torproject.org/about/torusers.html.en

mybrainhurts · July 3, 2015

Loving the replys so far, thanks guys. But is there anything to learn there. As in files, documents, pictures or articles you may not find anywhere else. Not sure what I'd be looking for but once I see something interesting I read up on it.

On that note, there were videos about this one sick motherfucker, child pornography, mutilation rape etc. The guy who explained about the video in detail was sick, so I'll leave out the details for your sanity

His name was Peter Scully, makes me cringe when I type it out. Anyway, he was finally caught in the Phillipines (I think) early this year. I watched the story on 60 minutes.

Besides all this crap, is the deep web and the dark web the same thing, or is the dark web just emphasizing the evil stuff you can stumble upon on the deep web?

The dark web is a subset of the deep web. It has nothing to do with one being more evil than the other. Really, google is your friend here. Is there stuff on the deep web not found on the regular web? Of course. They're two different things. Tor is used by journalists and political dissidents as ritualclarity mentioned. It is also used by hardcore privacy ~~nuts~~ enthusiasts, hackers, and criminals. A lotta criminals. Consequently Tor, and its users, in particular and the deep web in general are of intense interest to agencies of the United States federal government such as the NSA and FBI.

But what do you want to learn about? Science? Art? Literature? History? Music? (Those are rhetorical questons, of course.) Every university in the world is online in the regular web. There isn't any area of legitimate interest that can only be studied using resources on the deep web. Unless you're studying the deep web itself I guess. To put it in perspective: most people on the deep web are looking for child pornography and black markets. Stick with the surface web. You're not missing anything in the deeps.

B0ss plz · July 3, 2015

Loving the replys so far, thanks guys. But is there anything to learn there. As in files, documents, pictures or articles you may not find anywhere else. Not sure what I'd be looking for but once I see something interesting I read up on it.

On that note, there were videos about this one sick motherfucker, child pornography, mutilation rape etc. The guy who explained about the video in detail was sick, so I'll leave out the details for your sanity

His name was Peter Scully, makes me cringe when I type it out. Anyway, he was finally caught in the Phillipines (I think) early this year. I watched the story on 60 minutes.

Besides all this crap, is the deep web and the dark web the same thing, or is the dark web just emphasizing the evil stuff you can stumble upon on the deep web?

The dark web is a subset of the deep web. It has nothing to do with one being more evil than the other. Really, google is your friend here. Is there stuff on the deep web not found on the regular web? Of course. They're two different things. Tor is used by journalists and political dissidents as ritualclarity mentioned. It is also used by hardcore privacy ~~nuts~~ enthusiasts, hackers, and criminals. A lotta criminals. Consequently Tor, and its users, in particular and the deep web in general are of intense interest to agencies of the United States federal government such as the NSA and FBI.

But what do you want to learn about? Science? Art? Literature? History? Music? (Those are rhetorical questons, of course.) Every university in the world is online in the regular web. There isn't any area of legitimate interest that can only be studied using resources on the deep web. Unless you're studying the deep web itself I guess. To put it in perspective: most people on the deep web are looking for child pornography and black markets. Stick with the surface web. You're not missing anything in the deeps.

That's good to know I guess, I think I was just interested because people online made it sound interesting on the things you can do with the deep web but kinda scared me off a bit with the things you may stumble on.

What is a hammer?..

It is a tool, a tool that can be used for good or bad.. however it is in the end just a tool.

Same as TOR, Torrents, Darkweb, Deepweb.. each are sources for info and contacts. What you do with it is up to you. There can be useful info in there but also a large amount of usefulness info.

On that note, there were videos about this one sick motherfucker, child pornography, mutilation rape etc.

That is an example of bad content. Trouble is if you were there and they (the government you live in) find out you might be investigated for illegal activities. They might not even go to your house just sit on your IP and watch what you do. . Everything you do until they get enough info (depending on your government requirements) It can be risky going willy nilly through Darkweb/ TOR sites.

There are good as well

http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/can_we_still_trust_tor.php

https://www.torproject.org/about/torusers.html.en

If people wanted to be protected or be less intruded on, couldn't they use VPN? It encodes everything you do, I never used it before but is there a difference with the both of them?

Luminar · July 3, 2015

If people wanted to be protected or be less intruded on, couldn't they use VPN? It encodes everything you do, I never used it before but is there a difference with the both of them?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2943472/vpn-users-beware-you-may-not-be-as-safe-as-you-think-you-are.html

VPNs are good if all you want is a bit of privacy from low-level snooping threats, but if you're dealing with anything that could get you in real trouble you'd want to use Tor. VPNs are simply more easily compromised than Tor is.

nonusnomeni · July 3, 2015

curiosity was a reason to try tor

was try to find some interesting things hidden in dark deep web

something not anymore to be found with GOOgle

like check signed by Rockefeller addressed to NSDAP from february 1945

or comparison produced toxins from combustion engine and cigarettes made by some british medical institute

at the end i was uninstall tor after one day and 3546768 asks to solve unreadable capcha

annoying

RitualClarity · July 3, 2015

If people wanted to be protected or be less intruded on, couldn't they use VPN? It encodes everything you do, I never used it before but is there a difference with the both of them?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2943472/vpn-users-beware-you-may-not-be-as-safe-as-you-think-you-are.html

VPNs are good if all you want is a bit of privacy from low-level snooping threats, but if you're dealing with anything that could get you in real trouble you'd want to use Tor. VPNs are simply more easily compromised than Tor is.

Luminar is correct. The hacker, (be it gov or individual or organization) can sit on your IP or the IP of the VPN company and collect all those tasty bits coming from your computer. Even if you encrypt the data. If they want it .. they can set to decrypt it and eventually decrypt it... in time. All you would be doing with that is making them work ..

With VPNs you use their security key or "public key" depending on the company and their retention processes and cooperation with the government that info might be accessible to the government right out of the gate. No protection there. Being a public key if a hacker does break it..you have literally no protection.

Their retention practices means that the gov can go back days, weeks or even months to get data from the VPN. Connections,times, and perhaps even some of your packets and data as well.. Good for the kitty scriptor hackers etc not for professionals.

Even the "Silk Road TOR" issue where the FBI brought them down.. It wasn't from hacking the TOR system (well not completely) many of the reports state it was good ol' detective work. Lots of web time and investigation. They really had to work on it. and in the end it the owner/ operator. was caught because he was stupid and didn't know what he was doing / or careless and didn't care. The website was able to be connected to him..

If you do need to communicate securely TOR is the best way provided you learn all you can and practice safe TOR communication practices. There are links above where Governments use it to do military work, Reporters and civil rights activist all manner of safe, effective communications are done through TOR.

You just have to be careful. Just like when you were young and was allowed to finally use a knife to cut your meat.. . Or if you ever hammered in a nail into a board.. or used a power tool. All are potentially hazardous but those hazards can be limited provided you exercise care.

datjellyman · July 3, 2015

If you want to see parts of the deep web there is a youtuber who goes by the name Takemedownman. He does a lot of videos on the deep web and shows you parts of a lot of websites.

B0ss plz · July 3, 2015

If you want to see parts of the deep web there is a youtuber who goes by the name Takemedownman. He does a lot of videos on the deep web and shows you parts of a lot of websites.

Yeah, I've been watching a lot of his videos since I found out about all this stuff, shows you what to avoid and what's safe while browsing

RitualClarity · July 10, 2015

There are ways around those exploits.. if you are really concerned.. . One such thing is running in VM or better yet.. Ram Drive OS.. Each start is fresh.. no exploits can exists after a restart. Each session would be clean from the original setup. They would have to infect you each and every time after they found you.

lots of work for little pay off for the normal person. No real need to do all that for normal people. Who cares what pOrn the know you look at.. . It is useful for those that need some added privacy from general hackers and exploiters, etc. Not gov.. If they are interested in your info.. Unless you are really good..I mean.. really dam good. they will find you and get your data no mater how encrypted or what processes you use to hide it.

if you do use a TOR browser.. make sure it is constantly updated and follow the rules of TOR usage. Not doing that can compromise yourself and the servers you use. OH and please don't use it for banking or other really private stuff like that.. Use a VPN for protection of that sort of material. (stuff you don't need private but do need protected ).

Chaos63 · July 10, 2015

I remember how it felt in the days of limewire to go sleep every night praying cops don't knock down my door in the morning.

I'd rather not go back to that.

RitualClarity · July 10, 2015

I remember how it felt in the days of limewire to go sleep every night praying cops don't knock down my door in the morning.

I'd rather not go back to that.

Don't do shit that is horribly illegal.. .. then there is nothing to worry about.. lol

Let them see all the nasty pOrn you have / view.. Maybe they might see something they like.. .

They are too lazy to go after anyone unless it is serious and very illegal..

That reminds me.. someone I know in RL stated that if you start using TOR and crap like that .. it could very well flag yourself for a check from NSA etc depending on your "web history" and habits. Like now.. trying to find out how to hide tracks .. then use the tricks.. .. They be like.. "OK what shit is he trying to get into ? " Oh.. just looking the web for obese Trannies.. Dam wasted our time on him.. Or something along those lines..

I do agree with you Chaos63.. it just isn't worth doing that type of shit and then worrying about if the police will kick down your door and take your shit and stuff.

Angrybird · July 11, 2015

I actually went there again after seeing this thread, and I confirmed that I don't want to go back.

RitualClarity · July 11, 2015

I actually went there again after seeing this thread, and I confirmed that I don't want to go back.

Faceless0ne · July 11, 2015

The "dark web" is existing since the birth of the interweb itself. All that demonising in the media since the sutdown of silk road is just the usual brainwash by your government.

Although i'am against almost all of the things that are pilloried by the media concerning the "dark web" and i also had my fair share of time in it - but not everything is "bad". Just watch at the "normal" interweb, how much is censored and controlled by governments already. This new witch-hunt os just the try to get (more) "control" of the web itself.

The "dark side" at the "dark web" is, that literally everything and every click costs you bitcoins, which is also the reason why your, my, ower government/s is against the "dark web": All that nice money and the don't get a penny out of it.

xartom · July 13, 2015

I remembered finding a bunch of libraries with pdfs of rare/obscure books that go on ebay/Amazon for like 500. I really liked all the textbook pdfs, saved me a few hundred.

Falconhesse · July 14, 2015

A year or two ago TOR was valid.

The governments are not particularly smart or capable; however, they have resources that are comparatively unlimited .

It's not paranoid to think they're always watching you. It's paranoid to think they care.

When they care, those resources can easily be directed to the extent that outcomes are inevitable.

TOR has been used against both the public and corporate interest from the collective standpoint and has received significant media attention.

Given the level of current surveillance, I wouldn't instal it on a clean disk or PC.

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