Dee383 Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 I Need A New PC And Im Looking At Processors i3 ,i5 Or FX6300 & Athlon II x4 ... I Know AMD Are Cheaper Than Intel ... Better Value For Money ??? Now Ive Been Doing A Little Research ... But The Big Question I Have Is Are Intel CPU,s Far Superior To AMD ? I Ask That Question Because I Keep Hearing That To Get Any Good Performance From AMD CPU,S You Need To Overclock Them ? True Or False ? And If That Is The Case Then Maybe Intel Is The Best Option For Me ...
Anatriax Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 Intel is superior on a per-core basis.So, if you're primary purpose is gaming, you will get more benefit from an Intel CPU than you will an AMD CPU.However, if you do 3d Modeling (with LOTS of rendering), audio editing, or lots of coding? Those programs and functions will benefit more from an AMD CPU with a minimum of 8 cores, because the workload can be spread out more.Intel does this thing called HyperThreading, which is essentially "virtual CPU cores".AMD gets around this by adding more physical cores. So they're technically "HyperCoring", instead of "HyperThreading"NONE of this changes the fact that if you buy an Intel quad core at 3.5ghz and an AMD quad core at 3.5ghz... the Intel will surpass the AMD in almost every way.
RitualClarity Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 http://cpuboss.com/ Useful site to compare various models of processors and gpus even SSDs. Check this as well as a few other sites once you start to get an idea of where you want to go with your processor selection. Keep in mind the processor is only one part. The motherboard is every bit as important as well as proper and *certified* memory.. That is memory that the company (motherboard) states is supported. It can help stabilize and provide a better over all performance than just some random memory There are many review sites and thoughts. Keep in mind the equipment that is being used. I have seen many AMD's being compared to i5's instead of i7s. Not a fair and proper evaluation. Anyone with any understanding can predict the outcome.. . here are a few others the next is pretty good for gamers results. (3dmark) http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/cpu Other sources. http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2015/benchmarks,187.html http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106.html http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-6.html I cannot stress enough that you have to have complementary hard ware to get the best results. Happy computing and good luck. NONE of this changes the fact that if you buy an Intel quad core at 3.5ghz and an AMD quad core at 3.5ghz... the Intel will surpass the AMD in almost every way Including cost.. lol
Dee383 Posted June 22, 2015 Author Posted June 22, 2015 I Dont Do Any Rendering , Audio or Video Editing & Codeing And I Dont Want To Overclock .... So It Does Look Like Intel Is The Way To Go . Thank You For The Help ....
RitualClarity Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 I am not overclocking and find the 4790K a very good processor for gaming. 4 gighz with 4.4 turbo. Get a nice z97 board and properly supported ram.. A good SSD and put the rest of the cash into a good graphics card. I currently am using the Maximus Hero VII board but it is a bit dated. There are new boards for Intel that have USB 3.1.. something to consider if you transfer data off onto external HDs. alot. Not mainstream currently but will slowly become mainstream. remember for gaming clock is king.. Fast processor, fast ram, good board chipset.
Dee383 Posted June 23, 2015 Author Posted June 23, 2015 TBH Im Not That Tech Savvy When It Comes To Motherboard , CPU & Memmory Combinations ... Would You Recommend Buying MB,CPU,Ram Bundles ? Or Buy Everthing Seperate ... Hell Im Currently On A Borrowed Athlon 64 x2 4200 On Windows XP Because My Intel E2200 Which Was Also On XP Died ...
Anatriax Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 TBH Im Not That Tech Savvy When It Comes To Motherboard , CPU & Memmory Combinations ... Would You Recommend Buying MB,CPU,Ram Bundles ? Or Buy Everthing Seperate ... Hell Im Currently On A Borrowed Athlon 64 x2 4200 On Windows XP Because My Intel E2200 Which Was Also On XP Died ... Depends where you're shopping. If you're shopping Tiger Direct, their bundles are usually designed to fit together quite well. I've been to their warehouse. They have a whole section set aside for testing hardware and combinations before they put them on their website. I'm not sure if Newegg does this or not. As terrible as their customer service is, I doubt it. On that note, I've never had any issues ordering from Tiger Direct. I call, they're very friendly and enjoyable to speak with.
RitualClarity Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 TBH Im Not That Tech Savvy When It Comes To Motherboard , CPU & Memmory Combinations ... Would You Recommend Buying MB,CPU,Ram Bundles ? Or Buy Everthing Seperate ... Hell Im Currently On A Borrowed Athlon 64 x2 4200 On Windows XP Because My Intel E2200 Which Was Also On XP Died ... TBH Im Not That Tech Savvy When It Comes To Motherboard , CPU & Memmory Combinations ... Would You Recommend Buying MB,CPU,Ram Bundles ? Or Buy Everthing Seperate ... Hell Im Currently On A Borrowed Athlon 64 x2 4200 On Windows XP Because My Intel E2200 Which Was Also On XP Died ... Depends where you're shopping. If you're shopping Tiger Direct, their bundles are usually designed to fit together quite well. I've been to their warehouse. They have a whole section set aside for testing hardware and combinations before they put them on their website. I'm not sure if Newegg does this or not. As terrible as their customer service is, I doubt it. On that note, I've never had any issues ordering from Tiger Direct. I call, they're very friendly and enjoyable to speak with. Perhaps check out what she said. See something you think you like.. and can afford and post it here (with some links) for others to view and give suggestions. I personally researched each part of my build extensively using some of the comparison links I gave and Overclockers.com,Tom's Hardware reviews (not the forum) and other reasonable review magazines. I try to avoid those that are substituted by companies or seem to bias. You probably can get more for your $$$ if you go Anatriax's build that she is using (or some sweet upgrades she is considering ) she has a pretty well rounded build that I believe wouldn't be too expensive if you catch some of those on sale. Best of all she has Skyrim humming on that build.
Anatriax Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 TBH Im Not That Tech Savvy When It Comes To Motherboard , CPU & Memmory Combinations ... Would You Recommend Buying MB,CPU,Ram Bundles ? Or Buy Everthing Seperate ... Hell Im Currently On A Borrowed Athlon 64 x2 4200 On Windows XP Because My Intel E2200 Which Was Also On XP Died ... TBH Im Not That Tech Savvy When It Comes To Motherboard , CPU & Memmory Combinations ... Would You Recommend Buying MB,CPU,Ram Bundles ? Or Buy Everthing Seperate ... Hell Im Currently On A Borrowed Athlon 64 x2 4200 On Windows XP Because My Intel E2200 Which Was Also On XP Died ... Depends where you're shopping. If you're shopping Tiger Direct, their bundles are usually designed to fit together quite well. I've been to their warehouse. They have a whole section set aside for testing hardware and combinations before they put them on their website. I'm not sure if Newegg does this or not. As terrible as their customer service is, I doubt it. On that note, I've never had any issues ordering from Tiger Direct. I call, they're very friendly and enjoyable to speak with. Perhaps check out what she said. See something you think you like.. and can afford and post it here (with some links) for others to view and give suggestions. I personally researched each part of my build extensively using some of the comparison links I gave and Overclockers.com,Tom's Hardware reviews (not the forum) and other reasonable review magazines. I try to avoid those that are substituted by companies or seem to bias. You probably can get more for your $$$ if you go Anatriax's build that she is using (or some sweet upgrades she is considering ) she has a pretty well rounded build that I believe wouldn't be too expensive if you catch some of those on sale. Best of all she has Skyrim humming on that build. Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm If it can handle having Daz 3d, UE4, and Reaper open and running processes all at the same time? It can handle just about anything you throw at it
Morra Posted June 24, 2015 Posted June 24, 2015 TBH Im Not That Tech Savvy When It Comes To Motherboard , CPU & Memmory Combinations ... Would You Recommend Buying MB,CPU,Ram Bundles ? Or Buy Everthing Seperate ... Hell Im Currently On A Borrowed Athlon 64 x2 4200 On Windows XP Because My Intel E2200 Which Was Also On XP Died ... Buying separately and assembling it all by yourself is cheaper, but you need to know how or have somebody to help you. Don't forget about software that you will need to buy, install and configure. A lot of sites today have a PC configurator, where you can choose what hardware and software you need. They will assemble, install and configure it and send you your PC ready to use out of box.
RitualClarity Posted June 24, 2015 Posted June 24, 2015 Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm If it can handle having Daz 3d, UE4, and Reaper open and running processes all at the same time? It can handle just about anything you throw at it Yep.. and a bit cheaper than mine i bet.
Anatriax Posted June 24, 2015 Posted June 24, 2015 Probably. I put $1550 into my entire build 3 years ago, and the only things i've upgraded were the power supply and the GPU. Keep in mind, that $1550 included 2 monitors at 24", a Logitec 5.1 surround system, a Razer Blackwidow Keyboard, and a Naga MMO mouse. So roughly $500 of that were extras.
RitualClarity Posted June 24, 2015 Posted June 24, 2015 Probably. I put $1550 into my entire build 3 years ago, and the only things i've upgraded were the power supply and the GPU. Keep in mind, that $1550 included 2 monitors at 24", a Logitec 5.1 surround system, a Razer Blackwidow Keyboard, and a Naga MMO mouse. So roughly $500 of that were extras. And that was 3 years ago. . Prices have dropped.
Anatriax Posted June 24, 2015 Posted June 24, 2015 Also, I'd like to add in that I've been running ESO on Ultra settings, with SweetFX installed, at roughly 60fps nearly constant.
RitualClarity Posted June 24, 2015 Posted June 24, 2015 Yep.. reason I suggested it. More bang for your buck if the OP has some cash shortage. If not.. he can still use all the available cash and go and get a more powerful graphic card.. .
TheUsefullPotion Posted July 8, 2015 Posted July 8, 2015 In my opinion. this is a matter of taste. as for gaming i have heard that intel CPU:s are superior. wich they are. but given the ones you posted. you are not looking at a high end rig. id go with FX 8300 or maybe I5 4460. as for overclocking. the FX 8300 can go up to 5,1 GHz if water cooled, 4,9 if air cooled. you will not need more the 4,0 GHz. games can only use 4 cores as of today so intels CPU:s will get better perfromance but a bigger perfromance drop if something else is running. 8 Cores will have half the proccessor doing other stuff. mening any perfromance drop will most likeley not be CPU related.
Anatriax Posted July 8, 2015 Posted July 8, 2015 As I stated above, the biggest reason Intel pulls ahead of AMD for gaming (currently) is because they out perform them on a PER CORE basis. Even a dual core Intel with each core clocked at 3.0 is going to out perform an AMD dual core with each one clocked at 3.5. They're simply making better cores right now.But like you said, if you have multiple tasks running (Rendering images / animations, or compiling code, or other similar tasks) the AMD will outshine the Intel, because of the extra PHYSICAL cores. Intel's HyperThreading is not REAL cores. It's virtual cores. So when you need extra cores, AMD is by far going to pull ahead.
RitualClarity Posted July 8, 2015 Posted July 8, 2015 That is until you do get one of the intel's 8 core monsters.. . Then all AMD is toast. .. also your wallet if it is for a personal purchase.. http://www.microcenter.com/product/437205/Core_i7-5960X_30_GHz_LGA_2011-V3_Boxed_Processor But then again this is connected to DDR4 and a much larger IO connection (more pins on a processor for data) which leads to multiple PCIx16 lanes (4 total if not used for MSata) of full bandwidth as well. For the "professional" editor etc.. Intel is the one to use currently as well. .. provided you also have a "professional" sized wallet for the processor, MB and memory (all premium cost) Most hobiest and semi professionals don't need this level of power.
NexusZero99 Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 It is true intel is a great cpu, but I have never had one only amd. I have three pc one with old school Phenom II 940 BE, and the newer ones are 6300 and 8350. all seems good and all are still working great for what they do.
RitualClarity Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 It is true intel is a great cpu, but I have never had one only amd. I have three pc one with old school Phenom II 940 BE, and the newer ones are 6300 and 8350. all seems good and all are still working great for what they do. Yep.. many get good value for purchasing AMD. They deliver consumer level performance for most of what individuals need. Some gaming, work etc. Intel have a premium $ slightly over what AMD has for comparable processors. I am using intel and likely will continue using it in the future because i like the way it performs.. its character if you will. I have had issues in the past with AMD and my most recent rig that died (hardware related .. MObo to be exact not AMD's responsibility ) was a constant source of issue. I never had a problem with intel and my last one was the old 775 board that still almost 8 years later hums along until I scrapped it. (not enough power to do what I needed it to do ).. The game Mass Effect has issue with the Noveria level with AMD FX processor and it is a pain to fix (if there is a fix.. I hadn't tried the fixes on the web for it). Previous AMD builds had other issues with some of the software combinations I use. It is really a preference and experience. About as relevant as Western Digital Hard drives better than Seagate . Depends on your experience, dollars, and preference. Both can and do create great products that do deliver.
Anatriax Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 SEAGATE!!! <3 mmmI love Seagate. I've never had one of their drives fail. (The one that recently came back as having a failure was WD lmao)
RitualClarity Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 SEAGATE!!! <3 mmm I love Seagate. I've never had one of their drives fail. (The one that recently came back as having a failure was WD lmao) I had 8, 2tb Seagates fail. At the same time (or very close to each other). They were not covered under the warranty and Seagate refused to replace them. Never had a WD fail. Like I stated before. Preference and experiences. Each has their own experiences for what works for them. Once someone figures out this.. they are Golden and they KNOW what they want to buy.. Oh did I mention.. the 8 drives were ALL OF MY SEAGATES . Each and every one!.. I never had a Seagte that didn't fail within a year.
Anatriax Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 Were they Barracudas? Or one of the economy drives? PS: I Updated my guide tonight :3
RitualClarity Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 Were they Barracudas? Or one of the economy drives? Barracudas. The 2 tb that they eventually removed from the market and now.. they don't have the 5 year warranty either.. . PS: I Updated my guide tonight :3 Shameless plug...
Dee383 Posted July 10, 2015 Author Posted July 10, 2015 I Have No Intention Of Overclocking So Would Getting A H81 Motherboard Instead Of A Z97 Be A Good Or Bad Choice ? Also Who Would You Suggest ? Asus,Gigabyte,MSI Or ASRock ? Just Out Of Curiosity Read An Article On Toms Hardware i5 + 8gb Memory Perfect Gaming Comination ?
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