bahamut2119 Posted April 30, 2015 Posted April 30, 2015 I just did a wipe and reinstall finished it a few hrs ago im capable of loading interior cells it seems I created 2 characters without issue one went to shoals rest (lal addon home) one i tried starting as a hunter. The shoals rest door wasnt working so i coced to roriksteads frost fruit inn and tryed stepping out the door to to avail tried this a few times then created a quick new char and tried the hunter in the wood start ctd yet again when i tried to load to the camp. I had 2 other mods in this lo jk's skyrim (custom merged all modules by me) and a real shelter add on i removed them temporarily because i thought this would of been the cause. Im gonna try a few more thing but im getting at my wits end I wiped my install cause i suddenly got constaint ctds when trying to load a save or create a character and couldnt figure out why despite making almost no changes to my game. 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Swissenergy Posted April 30, 2015 Posted April 30, 2015 The first thing that jumps out to me is where the "Alternate Start" mod is loaded. I've had problems before with other mods loading after "Alternate Start" that caused big issues, once I finally got LOOT to sort the load order, "Alternate Start" is now at the very bottom of the load order. Since your problems seem to occur when you're trying to load or start a game by using one of the alternate starting options, I'm guessing that another mod is causing "Alternate Start" to trip up which results in CTD. I may be completely wrong here, because I'm no expert with these types of issues so your problem could be something else all together.
bahamut2119 Posted April 30, 2015 Author Posted April 30, 2015 Im currently enabling small batches of mods at a time and so far no issue im gonna tone that down to 1, 2 at a time soon so i can better remember what mods i enabled soon.
bahamut2119 Posted April 30, 2015 Author Posted April 30, 2015 So the issue appears to of been with Fog, Ash Rock Merged.esp its a custom merged esp with these mods in it Blacksmithforge water fix HF.esp Moss Rocks.esp Blacksmithforge water fix DG.esp Morning Fogs.esp AshRocks.esp SulfurRocks.esp Blacksmithforge water fix DB.esp Blacksmithforge water fix Vanilla.esp. Im gonna do some work on this i like theses and see if i can figure out why altho I may also just ditch em.
sidfu Posted April 30, 2015 Posted April 30, 2015 So the issue appears to of been with Fog, Ash Rock Merged.esp its a custom merged esp with these mods in it Blacksmithforge water fix HF.esp Moss Rocks.esp Blacksmithforge water fix DG.esp Morning Fogs.esp AshRocks.esp SulfurRocks.esp Blacksmithforge water fix DB.esp Blacksmithforge water fix Vanilla.esp. Im gonna do some work on this i like theses and see if i can figure out why altho I may also just ditch em. have u tried with alternate start starting in differnt ones and see if it still crashes. could be that your game is spikeing in ram usage just before full load so look for the onetweak mod and other utitlies. remember alternate start should be real low on your load order. if u provide me some links ill check out the mods and see anything that might cause them to crash your game. normaly grahic mods/fixes dont crash games. are u using MO? are u making sure that improtant files from one mod not overwritting by another? from looking at your log something i can say is wrong with apropos. it shouldnt be throwing none of those errors at start. i checked my log and not a single error.
bahamut2119 Posted April 30, 2015 Author Posted April 30, 2015 Yea i tried 2 different starts and cocing from a interior start to 3 outdoor locations I am using enb/skse ini with mem patch enabled so i know it wasn't a memory issue I am now capable of playing but the door to shoals farm is still unresponsive I can't enter or leave im gonna keep this open and go look for a fix to this after i've relieved some stress on some bandits =). Yes im aware lal should be real low the reasoning its not that the bottom is because certain aspects conflicted with some of my other mods ie my breezehome overhaul my beds out of place when its higher that lal and others are cause ive been told to load em after or loot sticks em there ie asis, dsr, perma. heres the links http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/41335/? http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/18818/? http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/24810/? Moss rocks seems to have been removed from nexus. No i don't use MO i don't have the patience to set it up ive tried ive looked at tutorials sat here for a few hours i have it and most of my mods in it but never finished rigging it and tbh dont care to.
sidfu Posted April 30, 2015 Posted April 30, 2015 well those dont look like they should cause a crash so looks like a conflict somewhere or maybe a overwritten file. only one i could see causing a problem would be the fog as if u have a enb/lighting mod it can cause funky issues but normaly they just graphicaly. the others would only cause problems if u missing a file. for me i just updated to using http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/61995/?instead of the random texture mods so i only have 1 texture esp. on MO. i recommend sticking thru it. right now my skyrim install is 100% clean but for the enb files so i dont ever have to do full reinstalls of it. most think MO is hard but when u learn that its exactly the same as NMM but keeps your main skyrim install clean. here a little tip on helping u with MO. say u have 2 mods will simlar files so with NMM they overwrite each other. with MO its pretty much the same when u look in the data tab showing the virtual folder for skyrim they be over written each other. so what u do is the mod u dont want over written goes lower on MO priority. to put it simple say u got 2 graphic mods 1 overhauls just trees and other is trees and rocks, but u want the trees from the frist mod and rocks from second. then in MO u would have the 2nd higher in priorty than the first so the firsts ones trees overwrite the trees from the ones with treees and rocks. so u would get trees from first and just rocks for second. right now in my MO has around 550 active mods. all u have to do with MO is realy get the mods in a priorty order that works and then after that its easy.when u install a mod u just have to fire out where it goes so it overwrites the right files. if u use MO troubleshooting goes around 60% faster as u can easily look at every single file thats conflicting/overwrighting others.
bahamut2119 Posted April 30, 2015 Author Posted April 30, 2015 I understand fully the benefits to using mo over nmm frankly nmm is total crap but i have no interest getting over 500 mods setup in mo on top of figuring out how to organize em, clean em when needed (tes edit), run my skyproc patchers i use 3 of em get enb, skse, attack launcher setup make the 1 script dragon mod i use work with everything else this would prob take me 2-3 days to do it all when all I want to do is play as it is it takes me usually 1-2 days to wipe and redo my install whenever i do feel i need to then another couple days of shit i forgot this mod or that mod and crap this mods not working right better redump parts of it.
bahamut2119 Posted May 1, 2015 Author Posted May 1, 2015 Took a few hours of playing to learn more about the other issue i mentioned witht he door but appears i cant pick any locks im trying reinstall of perma and all the patches i have since a google search has told me this may fix it. Edit: that saves fucked reinstalled everything perma wise no joy tryed a new game on a hunch and she (same race/gender) opened shoals rest door np closing this as fixed.
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