I need an expert rig builder!! [RUSH]

[Mailamea]

I did a thread like this long ago but now I need help again.

 

So i already ordered my desktop set but some issues happened and they need me to reorder it and asked if i want to change things. It will arrive on march 10 tuesday. thats why its a rush.

 

[no need for hdd or fans - i have them already]

 

This was the original order :
GTX 750 Ti Palit OC Storm [single Fan] - 6695 Php

G3258 Aniversarry edition proc(I don't know jackshit about overclocking i heard this is better but needs cooling) - 3050 Php

Biostar something mobo thats supports 2 3.0 usb and 1x 3.0 pcie x16 pin - 1995 Php

Gskills ripjaws 8gb kit 1600mhz - 3200 Php

700 W Generic fan(Do i need to lower it since im using 60 W gtx 750 ti?) - 370 Php

Cheap Ass casing - 350 Php

 

total of 15660 PHP - roughly 355$

{With this set i have 2040 left for my budget I can get a 1600x900 resolution monitor}

 

OR

GTX 750 Ti Palit OC Storm [single Fan] - 6695 Php

i3 3240 - 1155 socket - 5050 Php

Asrock mobo 1155 socket with 1x pcie 3.0 16x pin - 1880 Php

Gskills ripjaws 8gb kit 1600mhz - 3200 Php

700 W Generic fan(Do i need to lower it since im using 60 W gtx 750 ti?) - 370 Php

Cheap Ass casing - 350 Php

 

total of 17545 PHP - roughly 398$

[i won't have a monitor, its ok for the mean time I'll play on the samsung tv]

 

EDIT : New problem found - What does it mean if the motherboard says PCIE 3.0 x16 Slot but (i5 and i7 supported only)?

the other is what will happen if i put GTX 750ti on a PCIE 2.0 x16 slot? will it bottle neck it? I'm having a hard timing finding a decent board with the same price that will default to PCIE 3.0 no matter what.

 

I need advise thanks

 

 

[nameless701]

Graphiccard: EVGA will produce the gtx960 with 4GB RAM

(german link)

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/news/hardware/grafikkarten/34472-evga-geforce-gtx-960-jetzt-mit-doppeltem-videospeicher.html

 

http://www.evga.com/Products/ProductList.aspx?type=0&family=GeForce+900+Series+Family&chipset=GTX+960

 

why a 700W PSU? you are planing a sli-system?

 

pentium-cpu: 2 cores without HT

core i3: 2 cores with HT

[Mailamea]

Graphiccard: EVGA will produce the gtx960 with 4GB RAM

(german link)

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/news/hardware/grafikkarten/34472-evga-geforce-gtx-960-jetzt-mit-doppeltem-videospeicher.html

 

http://www.evga.com/Products/ProductList.aspx?type=0&family=GeForce+900+Series+Family&chipset=GTX+960

 

why a 700W PSU? you are planing a sli-system?

 

pentium-cpu: 2 cores without HT

core i3: 2 cores with HT

 

My budget is only 400$ lol i can't afford a gtx960

 

Thats why i was asking lol - 700W PSU is too much?

[nameless701]

yes,700W is too much. 380-400W is ok (with a lot of reserves)

 

CPU ~ 80W with OC

GPU ~ 60W

+ 100W for all other compnents

 

this is,what you need on the 12V-Rail

[Mailamea]

yes,700W is too much. 380-400W is ok (with a lot of reserves)

 

CPU ~ 80W with OC

GPU ~ 60W

+ 100W for all other compnents

 

this is,what you need on the 12V-Rail

 

Ty very much for helping with the powersupply issue 500W is ok? i heard that with a lower W powersupply less external or hardisks can be used at the same time.

 

I'm using my old computer with 3 external drives but when I add another one it just beeps then if i remove one it works

 

[nameless701]

500W or more is not a problem for the hardware...this is a financial factor only

[nameless701]

The Pentium G3258 Anniversary needs a board with 1150-socket

http://www.amazon.de/Asrock-H97M-ANNIVERSARY-Mainboard-Speicher/dp/B00M9A5Q12/ref=sr_1_2/275-2760704-0413262?ie=UTF8&qid=1425652655&sr=8-2&keywords=ASRock+Z97M+Anniversary

 

You can put a PCIe 3-graphiccard in a PCIe-2 slot...this is not a problem

[eifrag]

ate, invest ka sa PSU para walang mag short circuit

iirc, walang (2)4pins yung generic PSU. yung kinakabit sa GPU

 

tapos yung ASUS GTX 750 Ti 2GB OC edition dual fan 7.5k PHP na lang yata..

[Darkwisdom]

Nobody is giving you sound advice here. 

 

DO NOT use a 'Generic PSU'. The Psu is the most important part, it powers your rig, don't skimp on it.

 

Buy a good brand, Corsair, Coolermaster, EVGA etc. Also, 500W is absolutely fine, a 700W is for power hungry GPU/CPU configs w/ overclocking or Multi-GPU setups. Get a PSU that has a solid 12V rail (40a or more), a good 12V rail will mean almost all of the power is coming from that rail.  

 

Also, get the G3258 Anniversary edition instead of the i3, it can OC to over 4.5Ghz without much tweaking; it stands toe to toe with i5 cpus in gaming performance. 

 

 

The PCI-E Question : No, it won't bottleneck it. Most new graphics cards don't even utilize the extra bandwidth of PCI-e 3.0 anyway. 

 

[Mailamea]

The Pentium G3258 Anniversary needs a board with 1150-socket

http://www.amazon.de/Asrock-H97M-ANNIVERSARY-Mainboard-Speicher/dp/B00M9A5Q12/ref=sr_1_2/275-2760704-0413262?ie=UTF8&qid=1425652655&sr=8-2&keywords=ASRock+Z97M+Anniversary

 

You can put a PCIe 3-graphiccard in a PCIe-2 slot...this is not a problem

Yeah thats why its a different board if I pick the i3 proc

 

cool

ate, invest ka sa PSU para walang mag short circuit

iirc, walang (2)4pins yung generic PSU. yung kinakabit sa GPU

 

tapos yung ASUS GTX 750 Ti 2GB OC edition dual fan 7.5k PHP na lang yata..

hey thanks sa advise

 

pero the gtx 750 ti doesnt need the extra power supply pins thats why its only 60W gpu

yeah gtx 750 ti 2gb oc edition dual fan is only 6995 here like a few 300 peso difference

 

will that need more power? or its the same?

Nobody is giving you sound advice here. 

 

DO NOT use a 'Generic PSU'. The Psu is the most important part, it powers your rig, don't skimp on it.

 

Buy a good brand, Corsair, Coolermaster, EVGA etc. Also, 500W is absolutely fine, a 700W is for power hungry GPU/CPU configs w/ overclocking or Multi-GPU setups. Get a PSU that has a solid 12V rail (40a or more), a good 12V rail will mean almost all of the power is coming from that rail.  

 

Also, get the G3258 Anniversary edition instead of the i3, it can OC to over 4.5Ghz without much tweaking; it stands toe to toe with i5 cpus in gaming performance. 

 

 

The PCI-E Question : No, it won't bottleneck it. Most new graphics cards don't even utilize the extra bandwidth of PCI-e 3.0 anyway. 

Thank you very much for that tip

 

So when buying the PSU i should ask for 500W psu with 12v rail?

 

When i get the g3258 Aniv edition, is it easy to OC it? i have no idea how. And will i need more cooling? I heard even when its overclocked it bottle necks some games or stuttering appears.

 

Oh, but in the gtx 750ti page pci 3.0 is required

 

Thank you very much guys for the replies appreaciate the help

[woodenstick]

So you did end up going for the desktop, welcome to the dark side muhahahaha

 

OC guides are everywhere on the web, so uhh go read and keep a fire extinguisher nearby just in case

I very much doubt that your cpu will ever bottleneck before your video card does: here's an interesting article comparing your cpu to an i7 4790k
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6526/intel-pentium-g3258-haswell-20th-anniversary-cpu-gaming-performance/index6.html

Unless you're emulating or playing extremely cpu intensive games, clock speeds hardly improve performance when gaming. Your 750ti on the other hand... Well it's a budget build for a reason.

Talk about getting value for the dollar (or peso) $400 is about what my card cost me
I do enjoy using my $1500 computer to play league and CS:GO :')

[eifrag]

 

 

 

The Pentium G3258 Anniversary needs a board with 1150-socket

http://www.amazon.de/Asrock-H97M-ANNIVERSARY-Mainboard-Speicher/dp/B00M9A5Q12/ref=sr_1_2/275-2760704-0413262?ie=UTF8&qid=1425652655&sr=8-2&keywords=ASRock+Z97M+Anniversary

 

You can put a PCIe 3-graphiccard in a PCIe-2 slot...this is not a problem

Yeah thats why its a different board if I pick the i3 proc

 

cool

ate, invest ka sa PSU para walang mag short circuit

iirc, walang (2)4pins yung generic PSU. yung kinakabit sa GPU

 

tapos yung ASUS GTX 750 Ti 2GB OC edition dual fan 7.5k PHP na lang yata..

hey thanks sa advise

 

pero the gtx 750 ti doesnt need the extra power supply pins thats why its only 60W gpu

yeah gtx 750 ti 2gb oc edition dual fan is only 6995 here like a few 300 peso difference

 

will that need more power? or its the same?

Nobody is giving you sound advice here. 

 

DO NOT use a 'Generic PSU'. The Psu is the most important part, it powers your rig, don't skimp on it.

 

Buy a good brand, Corsair, Coolermaster, EVGA etc. Also, 500W is absolutely fine, a 700W is for power hungry GPU/CPU configs w/ overclocking or Multi-GPU setups. Get a PSU that has a solid 12V rail (40a or more), a good 12V rail will mean almost all of the power is coming from that rail.  

 

Also, get the G3258 Anniversary edition instead of the i3, it can OC to over 4.5Ghz without much tweaking; it stands toe to toe with i5 cpus in gaming performance. 

 

 

The PCI-E Question : No, it won't bottleneck it. Most new graphics cards don't even utilize the extra bandwidth of PCI-e 3.0 anyway. 

Thank you very much for that tip

 

So when buying the PSU i should ask for 500W psu with 12v rail?

 

When i get the g3258 Aniv edition, is it easy to OC it? i have no idea how. And will i need more cooling? I heard even when its overclocked it bottle necks some games or stuttering appears.

 

Oh, but in the gtx 750ti page pci 3.0 is required

 

Thank you very much guys for the replies appreaciate the help

 

 

 

 

http://www.coolermaster.outervision.com/

 

ate try mo tong app na to.

[Ark of Truth]

Something tells me your PSU is not going to be powerful enough.

 

Minimum you should be using at least 750w PSU with at least a 12v dedicated rail. Otherwise you get power problems.

 

To be honest you can't rush building a PC, my advise? Cancel the order and go plan everything out again and make sure everything is compatible. Otherwise it could end up costing you more money to put it all right. 

[Mailamea]

Sorry for the late update, the pc is built and its awesome.

 

Although i went with the g3258 aniv edition since when OCed it goes at the performance of an i7.

 

I overclocked my bios change the cpu core ration from "32 to 40" and the frequency from "3200mhz to 4000mhz" but it doesn't show up in CPUZ nor the task manager and windows itself. But i noticed a boost in the start up time and some applications when i did that. I installed XTU intels monitoring utility, and i opened lots of big cpu eating apps, it just goes up to 3192mhz or 3.19ghz.

 

I need help.

 

Oh yeah the voltages are set to auto. and vcore is set to 1.250

Something tells me your PSU is not going to be powerful enough.

 

Minimum you should be using at least 750w PSU with at least a 12v dedicated rail. Otherwise you get power problems.

 

To be honest you can't rush building a PC, my advise? Cancel the order and go plan everything out again and make sure everything is compatible. Otherwise it could end up costing you more money to put it all right. 

 

Went with a poweful corsair psu, but its only 650W

[techiespeek]

The overall watts of a power supply are a good standard indicator, but the voltage and app rating per 12volt rail or plug coming from the power supply is the most important. You will see ratings on the better power supplies like Bronze, Silver and Gold, etc. These indicate the quality of the power supply and it's ability to maintain voltage and amps under loads. The Corsair 650 will do you just fine, it should have a dedicated plug or rail for any video card you wish to install which will keep that happy and give you plenty of voltage for peripherals, hard drives, DVD/Blu-Ray players, etc.

The manufacturer of the motherboard probably has "Suggested" settings for OC use. I would advice using those and tweak a little at a time from there. Windows usually only reports the "Base" speed of the CPU and does not normally see any OC change in frequency. Use a program like Belarc and run a burn in test, this will give you a much better display of actual performance. Let me know if I can help you further.

 

http://www.belarc.com

[Mailamea]

The overall watts of a power supply are a good standard indicator, but the voltage and app rating per 12volt rail or plug coming from the power supply is the most important. You will see ratings on the better power supplies like Bronze, Silver and Gold, etc. These indicate the quality of the power supply and it's ability to maintain voltage and amps under loads. The Corsair 650 will do you just fine, it should have a dedicated plug or rail for any video card you wish to install which will keep that happy and give you plenty of voltage for peripherals, hard drives, DVD/Blu-Ray players, etc.

The manufacturer of the motherboard probably has "Suggested" settings for OC use. I would advice using those and tweak a little at a time from there. Windows usually only reports the "Base" speed of the CPU and does not normally see any OC change in frequency. Use a program like Belarc and run a burn in test, this will give you a much better display of actual performance. Let me know if I can help you further.

 

http://www.belarc.com

 

Thank you very much, i will report in the results.

 

Oh do you guys happen to know the proper overclocking way for a GTX 750 ti?

I wen't with Palit GTX750 ti StormX Dual Fan OC Edition

Specs :

 

Graphics Clock Base Clock : 1202MHz / Boost Clock : 1281MHz

Memory Clock 3004MHz (DDR 6008MHz)

 

My GPU (specs tab is below)

http://www.palit.biz/palit/vgapro.php?id=2252

 

In afterburner what should i set core voltage, power limit, core clock, memory clock, and fan speed to.

In a topic I read the person set voltage power and fan to max then +194 to core and +557 to memory, and the system super boosted games to add extra 10-15fps but didn't have any instability effect to the gpu and computer, temp only raised to 177W and the fan didn't even made noise at full speed.

 

http://www.tweaktown.com/image.php?image=imagescdn.tweaktown.com/content/6/9/6907_16_asus-geforce-gtx-750-ti-oc-video-card-circuit-overclocking-guide_full.png

 

another topic i read, the person added 250mhz on both core clock and memory clock and it still went so smooth.

 

So my question is what is the optimal and smoothest yet visible improvement overclock settings for my card?

I have tested stock 1080p with Shadow of Mordor + HD Resolution DLC ultra settings (required 6gb vid memory) but still went like 35-41 fps, although the loading times went like 2min before i can play

 

thank you very much