Breast Problem

[Loller99]

Hi, i have a problem. It doesn't happen to the custom race i  am using, apparently (temptress race): the breasts appear like this, and it used not to....could it be some hdt physics? How to fix that?

thanks for the help

 

 

[Alpia]

Do you use devious devices I had such a problem when the breast node thing in devious devices underneath was enabled I had to use an older save since I don't know how to reset it.

[Loller99]

Yes, i use devious devices, i will check that thing, thank you....

though it is weird, because in my actual save it's all ok, but if i change race in the same save, or if i start a new game, that problem occurs

[Content Consumer]

Something similar happened to me, using UNP.

Tell me... when you crouch, do spikes come out of your back? (might not work for you... I was using crawl on all fours as sneak animation when it happened)

Or when you move forward, do the breasts seem to push even further into the body?

Do strange things happen to the breasts when you jump?

[Loller99]

Nope when i move, nothing weird happens....i thought it might be due to the bouncing breasts system, but my temptress characcters has got no problems...

[Alpia]

If you have it also on new saves it issn't due devious devices with devious devices it happend to me after the remove of the bra. Devious devices compresses the breast kinda like in your pic so there is no clipping occuring with the bouncing boobs. Normally it will get back to normal once the bra is of, but happend to me that it didn't change back the breast but on a new save this can't happening since you had no bra on.

 

What hdt mods do you use and what race mods du you use what body type?

 

Btw please use jpeg the next time and don't put it in as an attachment you can include it in the post well jpeg is optinal, but it takes 20sek to open the image don't ask where I life... its so sad that the internet is so slow a high end technology developing country and internet whorse than siberia.

[Loller99]

First thing: ahah ok, sorry, will do jpeg next time :/

 

i use the UNP body, and the hdt latest version found on loverslab (if i remember correctly). Anyway, it is weird, because it used to work ok in the past...

[Loller99]

Also, i can confirm this doesn't happen on my temptress character...

 

Trying installing hdt over..

[Alpia]

would recommand that too it it don't works try a other mod for the bouncing to see if it changes something

[Loller99]

Well, it works fine with my custom race (temptress) character, and in the past it worked good with other races.....today i updated various mods, could that be the problem? (i didn't touch hdt ones until now though).

I reinstalled hdt, and it is not fixed...

[Alpia]

well if some of these mods change body files or hdt files yes, but otherwise I don't know how they should affect your stuff and it worked in the past is no argument with a modded skyrim well if you want you can try to disable the recently installed mods and see what happens.

[Loller99]

well, i am pretty sure this is a skeleton related problem (i recently updated to the latest version of the xp32 skeleton extended). I guess i will try to downgrade to previous version to see if that's the problem

[Loller99]

nope, it wasnt the skeleton...

[Alpia]

I would recommend trying it without the hdt bouncing thing you use installed and start a new game to see if it works if its the cause try a other hdt boobs mod hdt physics extension don't have to be uninstalled only the thing you use for the boobs

[Loller99]

uninstalled it and reinstalled it. No fix...

It is absurd....with some of my custom races it works fine, and with some it does not. With default races it doesn't work good, either...I don't really know what is causing this

[Alpia]

sadly me neither if its even on a new game after deinstalling hdt maybe you have any other breat increasing decreasing mod like estrus or other pregnant body mods? But well even if you have one I dont believe it can mess up the breast like that I'm clueless

 

Either way providing a mod list or load order would be good so people can see at least what mods you use providing a papyrus log will also maybe help.

[Loller99]

Well, i uses racemenu and enhanced character creator, but they never caused this kind of problem before....
Tomorrow i will try and upload a mod list :/

[Loller99]

Here's the load order (not all mods are active though)


Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
RaceCompatibility.esm
hdtHighHeel.esm
HmmWhatToWear.esm
HmmWhatToWearDawnGuard.esm
Omegared99-Compilation.esm
RCOTS-RACES.esm
SexLab.esm
SexLabAroused.esm
ZaZAnimationPack.esm
TKChildren.esm
SharedSeranaDialogue.esm
Devious Devices - Integration.esm
Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
daymoyl.esm
SexLab Attraction.esm
BeeingFemale.esm
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Havok Breast Physic.esm
Devious Devices - Assets.esm
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Brawl Bugs CE.esp
Bestiality_NudeBears.esp
drop dg elderscrolls.esp
LoversComfort.esp
LoversHook.esp
LoversVictim.esp
MF_RadiantProstitution.esp
MF_SpectatorCrowds.esp
RE_RealEstate.esp
SexLab Theft and Seduction.esp
SexLabGuild.esp
SexLabNudeCreatures.esp
SWT1.2.esp
ZazResources.esp
jaxonzsksetester.esp
SkyUI.esp
3D_Meshed_PubicHair.esp
ArmorEbonyLight.esp
BlackSacramentArmor.esp
DemonHunterArmor.esp
Dread Knight Weapon Set.esp
ebonymailplus.esp
ExiledBladesArmor.esp
GattiBondage1.esp
GDZZJJDH.esp
Guild Duelist Armor.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
Imperial Legion Reborn.esp
legionary-vanguard-armor-maty743.esp
LPotD Armor.esp
LpotDHorse.esp
LustmordVampireArmor.esp
NobleFemaleClothes.esp
Omegared99-WeaponSets.esp
Remodeled Armor.esp
Remodeled Armor - Dawnguard.esp
Remodeled Armor - Dragonborn.esp
SeraphineHuntedArmor.esp
SilverOfTheDragonblood_1h&2h.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp
AK- Cowl of the Grey Fox.esp
BetterDarkBrotherhood.esp
Captured Dreams.esp
Dawnguard Radiant Quest Adjustment.esp
Devious Deviants.esp
Hunting in Skyrim.esp
justmoreblades.esp
When Vampires Attack.esp
sanguinesDebauchery.esp
SDpatch - dawnguard.esp
SDpatch - dragonborn.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
dropblackbooks.esp
ImperialSoldiersEscortFix.esp
Killable Children.esp
Killable Children - Quest Important Protected.esp
LiFEv1.1.esp
no_essential_COs.esp
richer merchants.esp
No Hood.esp
SexLab Horny Followers.esp
SexLab Romance.esp
SexLab Solutions.esp
SexLab Submit.esp
xazPrisonOverhaul.esp
RCOTS-ApachiiHairPlugin.esp
RCOTS-FriendChildren.esp
RCOTS-HostilesNPC.esp
skyforgedWeapons.esp
PrivateNeeds.esp
outhouse.esp
NPCPrivateNeeds.esp
bloodthirstvampirefeeding.esp
Werewolves.esp
HentaiCreatures.esp
Sneak Tools.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
SexLab Cumshot.esp
TemptressVixen.esp
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3DNPC.esp
APPS.esp
Marriable Serana.esp
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Basvanbeu MuscleTextureChanger with Navetsea set.esp
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JiubQuestMarkers.esp
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LADL - No Starting Spells.esp
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TKChildren_HF.esp
TKChildren_V.esp
SexLab Trainers.esp
SpousesEnhanced.esp
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SexLabNudesuitVariants.esp
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CL Ebonyblade.esp
SexLab Submit Serana.esp
IllusionHair.esp
Coins of Tamriel V2 Legendary Edition.esp
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WarmongerArmory_LeveledList.esp
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FreckleMania.esp
Better Females - Eyebrows.esp
SexLabDangerousNights.esp
SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp
MidnightBreed.esp
SexLab Approach.esp
DeviouslyHelpless.esp
RCOTS-Morestuff.esp
MoreNastyCritters.esp
SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp
BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp
SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp
SeranaDialogEdit.esp
beautifulrikke.esp
Luna.esp
Solitude Lannisters.esp
SmithableSilverDawnbreaker.esp
DGBrotherhood.esp
Sol.esp
Stealth Skills Rebalanced_COMPLETE.esp
Shadowmarks for Player Homes.esp
TGJewelrySmelter_AshuraDX.esp
Better Thieves Guild Gloves.esp
pickpocketable childrens.esp
FriendlyBrynjolf.esp
thieves guild.esp
GuildMastersQuarters.esp
ZF Primary Needs Patch.esp
ArmorEbonyRanger.esp
SexCrime.esp
SexLabDefeat.esp
StartingLoadouts.esp
Equipping Overhaul.esp
mslDeviousCaptures.esp
SkoomaDealer.esp
WestWindMisfit.esp
DotSAMRobe.esp
DD_restrained.esp
RH_PsijicArchmageRobesSwitch.esp
TNT - HWtW Applicifier Vanilla.esp
TrueEyes.esp
TrueBrows.esp
TrueEyesElves.esp
ElvenRace.esp
SSv2.esp
Devious Cidhna.esp
Elvenwood.esp
ScenicCarriages.esp
LunariRace.esp
LovelyHairstylesCE.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Alternate Start - Live A Deviant Life.esp
Solutions-PrisonOverhaul Patch.esp
Solutions-PrisOhaul-AltStartLAL-Patch.esp
LycHairstyler.esp
mortenhairs.esp
Newhairpack.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
Havok Breast Physic Dawnguard.esp
Havok Breast Physic Dragonborn.esp
HighResTexturePack01.esp
Havok Breast Physic.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
UNP Leather Clothes.esp
SlaveTats.esp
LFGStartUpOptions.esp
Northgirl.esp
Sotteta Huntress Armor.esp
JBS_banking_redux.esp
WindstadMine.esp
SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp
BFAP v1.0.esp
BanditSlut.esp
CharacterMakingExtender.esp
EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp
ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp
CampingKitNorthernRanger.esp
Extended Encounters.esp

[Alpia]

I see this havok physics stuff really critical do the npc's also have crushed breasts like your PC? maybe you don't have this havok thing equipped and thats why your breats are messed up.

The havok thing is the only thing I could imagine that might cause such stuff also possible would be the beeing female stuff, but since it just enlarge your breast it is unlikley that this is causing it.

 

[Loller99]

Nope, i had it activated and the problem was there, so i disabled it but the problem still remains

[Alpia]

then I'm clueless maybe ask in the skeleton or the havok physics thread what might cause this

[Tessina]

Something similar happened to me, using UNP.

Tell me... when you crouch, do spikes come out of your back? (might not work for you... I was using crawl on all fours as sneak animation when it happened)

Or when you move forward, do the breasts seem to push even further into the body?

Do strange things happen to the breasts when you jump?

 

This happens to my Khajiit, when I used UNP.  I switched to CNHF and is not as bad but still does it.  Or my character will bend over and have a sudden cavity where her chest was.  And noticed when I strip armor from a female NPC's corpse her breasts are contorted.   But if standing and not doing anything.. Breasts are fine.  

[Content Consumer]

 

Something similar happened to me, using UNP.

Tell me... when you crouch, do spikes come out of your back? (might not work for you... I was using crawl on all fours as sneak animation when it happened)

Or when you move forward, do the breasts seem to push even further into the body?

Do strange things happen to the breasts when you jump?

 

This happens to my Khajiit, when I used UNP.  I switched to CNHF and is not as bad but still does it.  Or my character will bend over and have a sudden cavity where her chest was.  And noticed when I strip armor from a female NPC's corpse her breasts are contorted.   But if standing and not doing anything.. Breasts are fine.  

 

It looks like the breast nodes are somehow referencing their XYZ positions globally rather than locally or something like that.

I fixed it a while back... I can't remember exactly what I did, though.

I think I just redownloaded everything and reinstalled and it magically worked. UNP body, HDT (using b3lisario's), and the skeleton, and try it from there...

[Tessina]

 

 

Something similar happened to me, using UNP.

Tell me... when you crouch, do spikes come out of your back? (might not work for you... I was using crawl on all fours as sneak animation when it happened)

Or when you move forward, do the breasts seem to push even further into the body?

Do strange things happen to the breasts when you jump?

 

This happens to my Khajiit, when I used UNP.  I switched to CNHF and is not as bad but still does it.  Or my character will bend over and have a sudden cavity where her chest was.  And noticed when I strip armor from a female NPC's corpse her breasts are contorted.   But if standing and not doing anything.. Breasts are fine.  

 

It looks like the breast nodes are somehow referencing their XYZ positions globally rather than locally or something like that.

I fixed it a while back... I can't remember exactly what I did, though.

I think I just redownloaded everything and reinstalled and it magically worked. UNP body, HDT (using b3lisario's), and the skeleton, and try it from there...

 

 

yeahthe new HDT skeleton I tried didn't work.  Are you using just UNP or UNPB?  and if you don't mind what load order are you using? 

[Content Consumer]

 

 

 

Something similar happened to me, using UNP.

Tell me... when you crouch, do spikes come out of your back? (might not work for you... I was using crawl on all fours as sneak animation when it happened)

Or when you move forward, do the breasts seem to push even further into the body?

Do strange things happen to the breasts when you jump?

 

This happens to my Khajiit, when I used UNP.  I switched to CNHF and is not as bad but still does it.  Or my character will bend over and have a sudden cavity where her chest was.  And noticed when I strip armor from a female NPC's corpse her breasts are contorted.   But if standing and not doing anything.. Breasts are fine.  

 

It looks like the breast nodes are somehow referencing their XYZ positions globally rather than locally or something like that.

I fixed it a while back... I can't remember exactly what I did, though.

I think I just redownloaded everything and reinstalled and it magically worked. UNP body, HDT (using b3lisario's), and the skeleton, and try it from there...

 

 

yeahthe new HDT skeleton I tried didn't work.  Are you using just UNP or UNPB?  and if you don't mind what load order are you using? 

 

Currently using UNP body. I was using b3lisario's UNPB mesh for a while, but that's not what I'm using any more, and I'm sorry to say I don't remember where I got my current body mesh...

 

My load order changes pretty much every two days or so because I'm always downloading and trying new mods and combinations of mods, and I haven't had that body problem for a while now, so I don't know how helpful this will be to you...

 

 

 

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