zippy57 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Hi. This is my first time on this side of the site in a long, long time. You see, I've recently got over my fear of Skyrim. I still have yet to play Skyrim for more than few hours. I tried to, I really did, but I couldn't play without mods but someone decided saving scripts in save files was a really good idea and I hope they're unemployed now and-  Sorry. If you've been on the Fallout side you might be aware I tend to overload my mods. In other words, I went from only the official DLCs and the Unofficial Patches to loading 60 mods to loading 167 mods. As you might expect, I've spent pretty much the entirety of the last three days watching Skyrim CTD. But I feel like I've learned some things. For example, I've learned that only some scripts can be in .bsa files, because Bethesda. And only some meshes can be in .bsa files, because Bethesda. And that a plugin containing only a quest file can cause the game to ILS because it requests 4GB of memory for a single object, because probably Bethesda, but I'm not sure. And even that I have 32GB of RAM and Skyrim is 4GB+ enabled but it only allocates 1GB of memory or something so I need to have a hacked .dll or the game will crash because of both hair and Bethesda.  By the way, starting a new game and watching the carts freak out because the game didn't have enough memory to load the horses is quite possibly the funniest thing I've ever seen.  But the most important thing I've learned is that I really hate the Skyrim engine. I mean I really hate it. Which is where we get to the whole point of me making a tech support thread. First, I have indeed read this. I debated putting this is the general Skyrim help section but since I've got mostly SexLab plugins and never had this happen before installing them, I figured I'd post it here. Yes, I added 100 at once. Yes, I am crazy. Don't bother telling me it's a stupid idea and I shouldn't do it. I know. It's all or nothing for me, really.  Have some papyrus logs:  They were all created using the same method: Start Skyrim Load save Touch nothing Watch game crash after thirty seconds I am in an exterior cell, specifically just across the bridge outside Ivarstead heading in the direction of Riften. There is one other NPC, my current follower. The game loads then the game crashes. It is 100% repeatable. Here's what's not repeatable: Papyrus logs. I made four of them. They're different. The game loads things in a different order every time. It even loads things in the middle of other mods' "these are plugin check errors, please ignore them" sections. It baffles me. Here are two slightly different logs. In these I immediately started moving down the road away from Ivarstead upon loading. I received an error here I did not receive when standing still and it still crashed:   Now to confuse me further. Instead of running away from Ivarstead, I ran towards it. No crashing. I ran around for almost three minutes with no issues:   Here is me fast traveling away immediately. No crashing:   I guess what I'm saying is I really want to know what's wrong with this one spot that makes the game crash horribly. I should be able to get around it even though I can't actually fast travel past it yet (I'll have to go around) so it's not exactly game-breaking. I just want to know what's going on. In the older games I'd chalk an exterior cell CTD down to a corrupt spawn point, but usually those happen while moving and entering a cell, not while just standing still.  My load order:   00 Skyrim.esm 01 Update.esm 02 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.1a] 03 Dawnguard.esm 04 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.1a] 05 HearthFires.esm 06 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 2.0.1] 07 Dragonborn.esm 08 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.1] 09 ApachiiHair.esm 0A ApachiiHairFemales.esm 0B hdtHighHeel.esm 0C Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 0D SexLab.esm [Version 1.59] 0E Devious Devices - Assets.esm [Version 2.8.2] 0F SexLabAroused.esm 10 SexLab Attraction.esm 11 ZaZAnimationPack.esm 12 daymoyl.esm 13 Devious Devices - Integration.esm 14 Devious Devices - Expansion.esm 15 HighResTexturePack01.esp 16 HighResTexturePack02.esp 17 HighResTexturePack03.esp 18 Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp [Version 1.1.5] 19 .armitage's mastercraft (eng).esp 1A marriageablehearthfirenpcs.esp 1B betterfemalesbybellalessmakeup2.esp ++ betterpickpocketing.esp 1C dcpack1.esp 1D DeviouslyHelpless.esp 1E SlaveTats.esp 1F xce.esp 20 SexLabStatsManipulator.esp 21 SexLabArousedAnimations.esp 22 TS_ECatsuit&Ballet.esp 23 realistic lighting.esp 24 betterfemalesbybella.esp 25 GagSFX.esp 26 GagSFXDawnguard.esp 27 GagSFXHearthfires.esp 28 GagSFXDragonborn.esp 29 DD - Interactions.esp 2A SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp 2B DarkStandalone.esp 2C Devious Devices - For the Masses II.esp 2D Brows.esp 2E Devious Devices - Gags+.esp 2F hqsnow.esp 30 SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp 31 Deviously Cursed Loot.esp 32 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp 33 DibellanDefender.esp 34 shezrieshuntergreenbreezehome.esp 35 SexLab Cumshot.esp [Version 1.5.2] 36 housecarl greetings fix.esp 37 unlimited rings multilingual.esp 38 SexLabNudeCreatures.esp 39 SexLab Trainers.esp 3A LoversVictim.esp 3B Masque of Clavicus Vile.esp 3C marriageabledragonbornnpcs.esp 3D UFO - Dragonborn AddOn.esp 3E marriagedynamicoutfits.esp 3F ts_fetishpantyhoseoutfits.esp 40 sanguinesDebauchery.esp 41 betterquestobjectives.esp 42 SDpatch - dawnguard.esp 43 Ballet Boots.esp 44 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 45 ts_fetishwardrobe.esp 46 SDpatch - dragonborn.esp 47 sexlab_WearAndTear.esp 48 barenziahquestmarkers.esp 49 ts_frillyoutfit.esp 4A SexLabMiscellaneousFeatures.esp 4B shezhelgreenhouse.esp 4C SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp 4D SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp 4E SexLabSquirt.esp 4F SexLabWerewolves.esp 50 sextoys-calyps-2.esp 51 Sextreme-All.esp 52 Sextreme-BND_Series.esp 53 shezrieslakeviewgreenhouse.esp 54 shenkthieveryoverhaul.esp 55 tgenhanced.esp 56 SSv2.esp 57 shezriesutdragonbridge.esp 58 ts_slinkyleotard.esp 59 shezrieutnightgateinn.esp 5A shezrieutfalkreath.esp 5B Captured Dreams.esp 5C HentaiCreatures.esp 5D shezrieutwinterhold.esp 5E marriagemod - alpha v3.esp 5F animal_mansion.esp 60 SexCrime.esp 61 marriagemod - hf.esp 62 hydra_slavegirls.esp 63 Devious Deviants.esp 64 marriageabledawnguardnpcs.esp 65 CD - TSECatsuits addon.esp 66 CD - Calyps Sextoys addon.esp 67 sign.esp 68 Skyrim_Strap_Ons.esp 69 CD - Skyrim Strapon addon.esp 6A skyui.esp 6B SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp 6C SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp 6D staticmeshimprovementmod-part2.esp 6E staticmeshimprovementmod.esp 6F ts_fetishaccessories.esp 70 TS_FetishWardrobe_Uncut.esp 71 CD - TSFetish Wardrobe addon.esp 72 CD - DarkDiscipleStandalone.esp 73 ts_phreddress1.esp 74 XiNafay - Shoes.esp 75 ts_redslickbikini.esp 76 ts_slickarmour.esp 77 ts_rogueoutfits2.esp 78 ts_slicksuit.esp 79 ts_valkyrie1.esp 7A ts_whipcane.esp 7B ts_whitepantyhosedress1.esp 7C ts_whitewardrobe.esp 7D ts_xinphheels.esp 7E UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp 7F marriable serana.esp [Version 1.6.2] 80 UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp 81 marriable serana hf.esp [Version 1.6.2] 82 enhancedlightingforrealisticlighting.esp 83 shakuntala_the_rogue.esp 84 SexLab-Stories.esp 85 shezrieshfkitchenhel.esp 86 UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp 87 nordfemales.esp 88 SexLab Theft and Seduction.esp 89 xazPrisonOverhaul.esp 8A SexLab_Paycrime.esp 8B shezrieswinstadhearthfirekitchen.esp 8C shezrieshfkitchen.esp 8D SexLab Romance.esp 8E Svs Collection Jewelry.esp 8F CD - SVS Jewelry addon.esp 90 AngrimApprentice.esp 91 SexLabDefeat.esp 92 Devious Cidhna.esp 93 addlHq.esp 94 smakit_house_markers.esp 95 LoversComfort.esp 96 item recycling.esp 97 mslDeviousCaptures.esp 98 SexLab_Hormones.esp 99 tweaked spouse.esp [Version 2.0] 9A bettererdi.esp 9B researchthief.esp 9C bretonfemales.esp 9D imperialfemales.esp 9E SexLab-StoriesDevious.esp 9F mek_angela.esp A0 Shiny Catsuits.esp A1 CD - ShinyRubberCatsuits addon.esp A2 scarlette.esp A3 zarias_restraints.esp A4 CD - Zarias Restraints addon.esp A5 Bashed Patch, 0.esp A6 The Preservation Act.esp   NOTE: You don't recognize that last mod because it is a personal tweak mod. It does exactly one thing: Changes a shield from Heavy to Light.  LOOT sorted, though some user tweaks were necessary. It's possible this doesn't follow some load order instructions in mod OPs; if so, that change was intentionally made to stop the game from having a CTD approximately twenty-nine seconds earlier than it is now. SKSE is up-to-date, FNIS is up-to-date, SkyUI is up-to-date, etc.. In fact, the game is entirely playable in this area as long as I'm willing to do so in thirty-second chunks (I'm not) and is also entirely playable anywhere else (as far as I'm aware). I have cleaned the save files, cleaned the master files... No dice, but I'm certain it's something SexLab related.  My pre-SexLab load order that runs just fine, in case you want to know what has changed:   00 Skyrim.esm 01 Update.esm 02 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.1a] 03 Dawnguard.esm 04 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.1a] 05 HearthFires.esm 06 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 2.0.1] 07 Dragonborn.esm 08 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.1] 09 ApachiiHair.esm 0A ApachiiHairFemales.esm 0B HighResTexturePack01.esp 0C HighResTexturePack02.esp 0D HighResTexturePack03.esp 0E Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp [Version 1.1.5] 0F .armitage's mastercraft (eng).esp 10 marriageablehearthfirenpcs.esp 11 betterfemalesbybellalessmakeup2.esp ++ betterpickpocketing.esp 12 xce.esp 13 realistic lighting.esp 14 betterfemalesbybella.esp 15 Brows.esp 16 hqsnow.esp 17 shezrieshuntergreenbreezehome.esp 18 housecarl greetings fix.esp 19 marriageabledragonbornnpcs.esp 1A UFO - Dragonborn AddOn.esp 1B marriagedynamicoutfits.esp 1C betterquestobjectives.esp 1D barenziahquestmarkers.esp 1E shezhelgreenhouse.esp 1F shezrieslakeviewgreenhouse.esp 20 shenkthieveryoverhaul.esp 21 tgenhanced.esp 22 shezriesutdragonbridge.esp 23 shezrieutnightgateinn.esp 24 shezrieutfalkreath.esp 25 shezrieutwinterhold.esp 26 marriagemod - alpha v3.esp 27 marriagemod - hf.esp 28 marriageabledawnguardnpcs.esp 29 sign.esp 2A skyui.esp 2B staticmeshimprovementmod-part2.esp 2C staticmeshimprovementmod.esp 2D UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp 2E marriable serana.esp [Version 1.6.2] 2F UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp 30 marriable serana hf.esp [Version 1.6.2] 31 enhancedlightingforrealisticlighting.esp 32 shakuntala_the_rogue.esp 33 shezrieshfkitchenhel.esp 34 UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp 35 nordfemales.esp 36 shezrieswinstadhearthfirekitchen.esp 37 shezrieshfkitchen.esp 38 smakit_house_markers.esp 39 item recycling.esp 3A tweaked spouse.esp [Version 2.0] 3B bettererdi.esp 3C researchthief.esp 3D bretonfemales.esp 3E imperialfemales.esp 3F mek_angela.esp 40 scarlette.esp 41 Bashed Patch, 0.esp   NOTE: I am aware some non-SexLab mods were added between load orders; I have ruled those out on an individual basis though I supposed they can be causing problems in conjunction with a SexLab mod.  TO SUMMARIZE: Bethesda. Bethesda. Hair. Bethesda. Horses. Crash after thirty seconds. Repeatable. Only in this one spot. SexoutLab Get it right, you twit! plugins in use. Logs attached. Confused and curious.  ================================ EDIT: Here we go again. Same thing, different spot:   The first three times I was trying to start a SexLab scene when it crashed, which is why the end of the log is rather busy. I didn't realize it was the same issue as before until the last one. The logs are as helpful as ever. Either I just can't see it or something is crashing the game without actually being an error. However, I have discovered one important thing from the logs: Characters set as exhibitionists get arousal boosts from chickens.  Slight difference in my load order is that SexLab Approach is now present. I forgot when writing the previous post up, but I had actually deactivated it since I thought it might be the culprit since it was throwing errors right before the crash. I guess that's just something it does. It can be seen throwing the same errors in logs #8-10.  In other news, I ran into an issue right before this where I was getting an ILS before going outside. It turned out that Skyrim was flipping out because I hadn't given it permission to use the other 31GB of RAM on my computer or something. So I used SKSE to give it access to more memory. First I gave it 2GB. ILS. Then 4GB. ILS. 8GB. ILS. 16GB. It worked! But I was suspicious so before running the game for the #11 log I started monitoring it: If someone can explain to me why Skyrim needs 16GB of memory so it can barely exceed 1GB of actual memory usage I'll be very, very grateful.  EDIT II: I'll just leave this here. Link to comment
Brigade Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014  If someone can explain to me why Skyrim needs 16GB of memory so it can barely exceed 1GB of actual memory usage I'll be very, very grateful.  It's a bad PC port of a bad console game? Link to comment
zippy57 Posted August 28, 2014 Author Share Posted August 28, 2014 Well yeah, but I was speaking technically. I had expected to see it actually try to use the memory at some point. I'm not really sure how a computer program can fail because of lack of memory that it's not actually trying to use. Link to comment
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