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Hi. This is my first time on this side of the site in a long, long time. You see, I've recently got over my fear of Skyrim. I still have yet to play Skyrim for more than few hours. I tried to, I really did, but I couldn't play without mods but someone decided saving scripts in save files was a really good idea and I hope they're unemployed now and-


Sorry. If you've been on the Fallout side you might be aware I tend to overload my mods. In other words, I went from only the official DLCs and the Unofficial Patches to loading 60 mods to loading 167 mods. As you might expect, I've spent pretty much the entirety of the last three days watching Skyrim CTD. But I feel like I've learned some things. For example, I've learned that only some scripts can be in .bsa files, because Bethesda. And only some meshes can be in .bsa files, because Bethesda. And that a plugin containing only a quest file can cause the game to ILS because it requests 4GB of memory for a single object, because probably Bethesda, but I'm not sure. And even that I have 32GB of RAM and Skyrim is 4GB+ enabled but it only allocates 1GB of memory or something so I need to have a hacked .dll or the game will crash because of both hair and Bethesda.


By the way, starting a new game and watching the carts freak out because the game didn't have enough memory to load the horses is quite possibly the funniest thing I've ever seen.


But the most important thing I've learned is that I really hate the Skyrim engine. I mean I really hate it. Which is where we get to the whole point of me making a tech support thread. First, I have indeed read this. I debated putting this is the general Skyrim help section but since I've got mostly SexLab plugins and never had this happen before installing them, I figured I'd post it here. Yes, I added 100 at once. Yes, I am crazy. Don't bother telling me it's a stupid idea and I shouldn't do it. I know. It's all or nothing for me, really.


Have some papyrus logs:


They were all created using the same method:

  • Start Skyrim
  • Load save
  • Touch nothing
  • Watch game crash after thirty seconds
I am in an exterior cell, specifically just across the bridge outside Ivarstead heading in the direction of Riften. There is one other NPC, my current follower. The game loads then the game crashes. It is 100% repeatable. Here's what's not repeatable: Papyrus logs. I made four of them. They're different. The game loads things in a different order every time. It even loads things in the middle of other mods' "these are plugin check errors, please ignore them" sections. It baffles me.


Here are two slightly different logs. In these I immediately started moving down the road away from Ivarstead upon loading. I received an error here I did not receive when standing still and it still crashed:



Now to confuse me further. Instead of running away from Ivarstead, I ran towards it. No crashing. I ran around for almost three minutes with no issues:



Here is me fast traveling away immediately. No crashing:



I guess what I'm saying is I really want to know what's wrong with this one spot that makes the game crash horribly. I should be able to get around it even though I can't actually fast travel past it yet (I'll have to go around) so it's not exactly game-breaking. I just want to know what's going on. In the older games I'd chalk an exterior cell CTD down to a corrupt spawn point, but usually those happen while moving and entering a cell, not while just standing still.


My load order:



00 Skyrim.esm

01 Update.esm

02 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.1a]

03 Dawnguard.esm

04 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.1a]

05 HearthFires.esm

06 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 2.0.1]

07 Dragonborn.esm

08 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.1]

09 ApachiiHair.esm

0A ApachiiHairFemales.esm

0B hdtHighHeel.esm

0C Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm

0D SexLab.esm [Version 1.59]

0E Devious Devices - Assets.esm [Version 2.8.2]

0F SexLabAroused.esm

10 SexLab Attraction.esm

11 ZaZAnimationPack.esm

12 daymoyl.esm

13 Devious Devices - Integration.esm

14 Devious Devices - Expansion.esm

15 HighResTexturePack01.esp

16 HighResTexturePack02.esp

17 HighResTexturePack03.esp

18 Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp [Version 1.1.5]

19 .armitage's mastercraft (eng).esp

1A marriageablehearthfirenpcs.esp

1B betterfemalesbybellalessmakeup2.esp

++ betterpickpocketing.esp

1C dcpack1.esp

1D DeviouslyHelpless.esp

1E SlaveTats.esp

1F xce.esp

20 SexLabStatsManipulator.esp

21 SexLabArousedAnimations.esp

22 TS_ECatsuit&Ballet.esp

23 realistic lighting.esp

24 betterfemalesbybella.esp

25 GagSFX.esp

26 GagSFXDawnguard.esp

27 GagSFXHearthfires.esp

28 GagSFXDragonborn.esp

29 DD - Interactions.esp

2A SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp

2B DarkStandalone.esp

2C Devious Devices - For the Masses II.esp

2D Brows.esp

2E Devious Devices - Gags+.esp

2F hqsnow.esp

30 SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp

31 Deviously Cursed Loot.esp

32 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

33 DibellanDefender.esp

34 shezrieshuntergreenbreezehome.esp

35 SexLab Cumshot.esp [Version 1.5.2]

36 housecarl greetings fix.esp

37 unlimited rings multilingual.esp

38 SexLabNudeCreatures.esp

39 SexLab Trainers.esp

3A LoversVictim.esp

3B Masque of Clavicus Vile.esp

3C marriageabledragonbornnpcs.esp

3D UFO - Dragonborn AddOn.esp

3E marriagedynamicoutfits.esp

3F ts_fetishpantyhoseoutfits.esp

40 sanguinesDebauchery.esp

41 betterquestobjectives.esp

42 SDpatch - dawnguard.esp

43 Ballet Boots.esp

44 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp

45 ts_fetishwardrobe.esp

46 SDpatch - dragonborn.esp

47 sexlab_WearAndTear.esp

48 barenziahquestmarkers.esp

49 ts_frillyoutfit.esp

4A SexLabMiscellaneousFeatures.esp

4B shezhelgreenhouse.esp

4C SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp

4D SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp

4E SexLabSquirt.esp

4F SexLabWerewolves.esp

50 sextoys-calyps-2.esp

51 Sextreme-All.esp

52 Sextreme-BND_Series.esp

53 shezrieslakeviewgreenhouse.esp

54 shenkthieveryoverhaul.esp

55 tgenhanced.esp

56 SSv2.esp

57 shezriesutdragonbridge.esp

58 ts_slinkyleotard.esp

59 shezrieutnightgateinn.esp

5A shezrieutfalkreath.esp

5B Captured Dreams.esp

5C HentaiCreatures.esp

5D shezrieutwinterhold.esp

5E marriagemod - alpha v3.esp

5F animal_mansion.esp

60 SexCrime.esp

61 marriagemod - hf.esp

62 hydra_slavegirls.esp

63 Devious Deviants.esp

64 marriageabledawnguardnpcs.esp

65 CD - TSECatsuits addon.esp

66 CD - Calyps Sextoys addon.esp

67 sign.esp

68 Skyrim_Strap_Ons.esp

69 CD - Skyrim Strapon addon.esp

6A skyui.esp

6B SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp

6C SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp

6D staticmeshimprovementmod-part2.esp

6E staticmeshimprovementmod.esp

6F ts_fetishaccessories.esp

70 TS_FetishWardrobe_Uncut.esp

71 CD - TSFetish Wardrobe addon.esp

72 CD - DarkDiscipleStandalone.esp

73 ts_phreddress1.esp

74 XiNafay - Shoes.esp

75 ts_redslickbikini.esp

76 ts_slickarmour.esp

77 ts_rogueoutfits2.esp

78 ts_slicksuit.esp

79 ts_valkyrie1.esp

7A ts_whipcane.esp

7B ts_whitepantyhosedress1.esp

7C ts_whitewardrobe.esp

7D ts_xinphheels.esp

7E UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

7F marriable serana.esp [Version 1.6.2]

80 UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp

81 marriable serana hf.esp [Version 1.6.2]

82 enhancedlightingforrealisticlighting.esp

83 shakuntala_the_rogue.esp

84 SexLab-Stories.esp

85 shezrieshfkitchenhel.esp

86 UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp

87 nordfemales.esp

88 SexLab Theft and Seduction.esp

89 xazPrisonOverhaul.esp

8A SexLab_Paycrime.esp

8B shezrieswinstadhearthfirekitchen.esp

8C shezrieshfkitchen.esp

8D SexLab Romance.esp

8E Svs Collection Jewelry.esp

8F CD - SVS Jewelry addon.esp

90 AngrimApprentice.esp

91 SexLabDefeat.esp

92 Devious Cidhna.esp

93 addlHq.esp

94 smakit_house_markers.esp

95 LoversComfort.esp

96 item recycling.esp

97 mslDeviousCaptures.esp

98 SexLab_Hormones.esp

99 tweaked spouse.esp [Version 2.0]

9A bettererdi.esp

9B researchthief.esp

9C bretonfemales.esp

9D imperialfemales.esp

9E SexLab-StoriesDevious.esp

9F mek_angela.esp

A0 Shiny Catsuits.esp

A1 CD - ShinyRubberCatsuits addon.esp

A2 scarlette.esp

A3 zarias_restraints.esp

A4 CD - Zarias Restraints addon.esp

A5 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

A6 The Preservation Act.esp



NOTE: You don't recognize that last mod because it is a personal tweak mod. It does exactly one thing: Changes a shield from Heavy to Light.


LOOT sorted, though some user tweaks were necessary. It's possible this doesn't follow some load order instructions in mod OPs; if so, that change was intentionally made to stop the game from having a CTD approximately twenty-nine seconds earlier than it is now. SKSE is up-to-date, FNIS is up-to-date, SkyUI is up-to-date, etc.. In fact, the game is entirely playable in this area as long as I'm willing to do so in thirty-second chunks (I'm not) and is also entirely playable anywhere else (as far as I'm aware). I have cleaned the save files, cleaned the master files... No dice, but I'm certain it's something SexLab related.


My pre-SexLab load order that runs just fine, in case you want to know what has changed:



00 Skyrim.esm

01 Update.esm

02 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.1a]

03 Dawnguard.esm

04 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.1a]

05 HearthFires.esm

06 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 2.0.1]

07 Dragonborn.esm

08 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.1]

09 ApachiiHair.esm

0A ApachiiHairFemales.esm

0B HighResTexturePack01.esp

0C HighResTexturePack02.esp

0D HighResTexturePack03.esp

0E Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp [Version 1.1.5]

0F .armitage's mastercraft (eng).esp

10 marriageablehearthfirenpcs.esp

11 betterfemalesbybellalessmakeup2.esp

++ betterpickpocketing.esp

12 xce.esp

13 realistic lighting.esp

14 betterfemalesbybella.esp

15 Brows.esp

16 hqsnow.esp

17 shezrieshuntergreenbreezehome.esp

18 housecarl greetings fix.esp

19 marriageabledragonbornnpcs.esp

1A UFO - Dragonborn AddOn.esp

1B marriagedynamicoutfits.esp

1C betterquestobjectives.esp

1D barenziahquestmarkers.esp

1E shezhelgreenhouse.esp

1F shezrieslakeviewgreenhouse.esp

20 shenkthieveryoverhaul.esp

21 tgenhanced.esp

22 shezriesutdragonbridge.esp

23 shezrieutnightgateinn.esp

24 shezrieutfalkreath.esp

25 shezrieutwinterhold.esp

26 marriagemod - alpha v3.esp

27 marriagemod - hf.esp

28 marriageabledawnguardnpcs.esp

29 sign.esp

2A skyui.esp

2B staticmeshimprovementmod-part2.esp

2C staticmeshimprovementmod.esp

2D UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

2E marriable serana.esp [Version 1.6.2]

2F UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp

30 marriable serana hf.esp [Version 1.6.2]

31 enhancedlightingforrealisticlighting.esp

32 shakuntala_the_rogue.esp

33 shezrieshfkitchenhel.esp

34 UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp

35 nordfemales.esp

36 shezrieswinstadhearthfirekitchen.esp

37 shezrieshfkitchen.esp

38 smakit_house_markers.esp

39 item recycling.esp

3A tweaked spouse.esp [Version 2.0]

3B bettererdi.esp

3C researchthief.esp

3D bretonfemales.esp

3E imperialfemales.esp

3F mek_angela.esp

40 scarlette.esp

41 Bashed Patch, 0.esp



NOTE: I am aware some non-SexLab mods were added between load orders; I have ruled those out on an individual basis though I supposed they can be causing problems in conjunction with a SexLab mod.


TO SUMMARIZE: Bethesda. Bethesda. Hair. Bethesda. Horses. Crash after thirty seconds. Repeatable. Only in this one spot. SexoutLab Get it right, you twit! plugins in use. Logs attached. Confused and curious.




Here we go again. Same thing, different spot:



The first three times I was trying to start a SexLab scene when it crashed, which is why the end of the log is rather busy. I didn't realize it was the same issue as before until the last one. The logs are as helpful as ever. Either I just can't see it or something is crashing the game without actually being an error. However, I have discovered one important thing from the logs: Characters set as exhibitionists get arousal boosts from chickens.


Slight difference in my load order is that SexLab Approach is now present. I forgot when writing the previous post up, but I had actually deactivated it since I thought it might be the culprit since it was throwing errors right before the crash. I guess that's just something it does. It can be seen throwing the same errors in logs #8-10.


In other news, I ran into an issue right before this where I was getting an ILS before going outside. It turned out that Skyrim was flipping out because I hadn't given it permission to use the other 31GB of RAM on my computer or something. So I used SKSE to give it access to more memory. First I gave it 2GB. ILS. Then 4GB. ILS. 8GB. ILS. 16GB. It worked! But I was suspicious so before running the game for the #11 log I started monitoring it:


If someone can explain to me why Skyrim needs 16GB of memory so it can barely exceed 1GB of actual memory usage I'll be very, very grateful.


EDIT II: I'll just leave this here.


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Well yeah, but I was speaking technically. I had expected to see it actually try to use the memory at some point. I'm not really sure how a computer program can fail because of lack of memory that it's not actually trying to use.

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