[Idea] Libido and sexual preference engine

[eggsalad]

Don't mind me, just throwing out some ideas that will most likely never go anywhere, since modding is hard work and I only have the drive to come up with useless ideas. I mainly wanted to write this out just to get it out of my head, so take it for what it's worth.

 

I've played a few different erotic-themed games before, particularly Japanese amateur RPG Maker games, like Violated Heroine. One theme I've found in some of these games that I've come to really like, is that they allow for a corruption-themed playthrough. You can start out as a virgin, and try your best to protect your virginity, but the world is filled with enemies and scenarios that might force you or tempt you into sexual encounters, and once you get involved in it, it will be hard to turn back. Like in Violated Heroine, if you lose in combat and let Nanako get raped a bunch of times, she'll become more dirty, and she might be unable to refuse degrading sexual encounters later. So what I want to do in this thread is imagine a mod that would add this kind of experience to Skyrim.

 

We already have SexLab Arousal to give the game the concept of sexual desire, but arousal is the only element it deals with. You could roleplay a pure priestess who has no clue what sex is or you could roleplay a succubus who needs sex to live, and barring external influence, arousal would build just as quickly for both. I think this could easily be solve by introducing a new kind of stat: Libido. It would be a more long term stat, that affects how fast your arousal builds. Libido could of course be set by the player, but more interestingly it could be affected by in-game events. Frequent sexual acts would be the main factor: If your PC has sex every in-game hour, her body will adjust to that and start to expect, then crave, then need, sex every in-game hour. Basically this just means adding a libido multiplier to the previous arousal growth formula. Say the default multiplier is 1. This means your arousal grows like it normally would. If you then have a sexual encounter more often than your arousal maxes out, the multiplier will gradually increase until your arousal maxes out at about the same rate as you usually have sex. To make things more interesting, trying to decrease your libido would be like withdrawing from substance addiction: Much more slow and painful than it was to gain the addiction in the first place, and maybe partially irreversible. So if you try to decrease libido by making sexual encounters less frequent, it will decrease the same way as it was increased, but at a much slower rate. "Sexual encounter" could both be defined as triggering a SexLab scene, or as having an orgasm.

 

I'm still not satisfied with that, though. Such a system would treat a PC who has a lot of sex with her spouse the same as a PC who willingly lets wild animals mount her. So this is where it gets really complicated. The most exciting solution would be to add a kind of sexual preference or fetish system. Say there's a stat for "preference for bestality". It would start out at 0 by default, but each time your PC engages in a scene tagged as a bestiality scene and orgasms during it, the stat goes up. At a certain threshold, it adds a high arousal multiplier when near animals. At a higher threshold and with high arousal, it might even force trigger a scene with a nearby animal, as if your PC just can't control her cravings and acts on them without thinking. There could also be a third threshold where the PC gets a penalty to arousal growth and can't orgasm when the condition isn't met, but I imagine this kind of obtrusive limitation might destroy more fun than it creates. This kind of fetish system could also be used to determine more vanilla things like gender and race preference. There's just so many fetishes that could be added that the resulting script would probably end up way too bloated:

-Exhibitionism: Sexual encounters or wearing skimpy/no clothing while you're detected by other NPCs increases it. I can also see some interesting things that could be done with Private Needs integration

-Domination/submission: Two different stats that increase and decrease based on whether you take the active role during sexual encounters

-Monogamy/polygamy: If you have had few unique sexual partners, you get a penalty to arousal from NPCs that you haven't had a sexual encounter with before, which disappears when you've had more unique partners, making it way too easy to get aroused by any NPC who meets your other preferences

-Bondage fetish: Wearing specific clothing that the mod recognizes as sub gear. For Devious Devices compatability, the fetish stat growth could be triggered by wearing the equipment for a long time while having high arousal, so that spending a lot of time in a chastity belt with plugs installed would make you addicted to it even though you're not getting any orgasms. The forced trigger at a high threshold in this case would be similar to the recent Cursed Devious Loot: You might suddenly find your PC engage in self-bondage by equipping devices she has in her inventory or find in a container, after throwing away any keys she has on her

 

Piercings, specific sexual acts (anal, gangbangs, scenes involving bondage), specific types of gear (leather, elegant clothes), sex toys, impregnation, height, weight and age preferences, paid sex, with the basic formula the possibilities are mainly limited by the amount of scripting and mod integration that has to be done.

 

By default, your character would be a blank slate with no kind of experience, average libido and no fetishes when starting up the mod of the first time, but there would also be a menu option to adjust your character's background for roleplaying purposes.

 

I think that's it for now. If you have any thoughts, feel free to share. I welcome both dreaming "this feature would be cool too" posts and realistic "this shit would never work because of [...] and [...]" posts. Just don't expect me or anyone else to actually make this into reality.

[Kuロi]

As far as I'm aware of, your libido idea is already part of SexLab Aroused. For example, you can play a virgin : if your character has never had sex, your arousal will never go over 20 or so, and even then, you don't get to 20 much. Once you have sex once, your character will start actually building arousal, but if you don't have it for a while it'll go back to default.

 

And the opposite is also true, if you have sex a lot, your arousal will build much faster. I remember going through the Devious Cidhna mod, which contains a lot of rape. For about a 1-2 in-game weeks, it wasn't unusual for my character to have to masturbate 2-3 times a day just to keep under 70 arousal.

 

As for the fetish part, Skyrimll is working on SexLab Stories. One part of that mod is adds different fetishes o the standing stones, making your character aroused when these conditions are checked. He's still undergoing some testing with them but as far as I'm aware of they should be working, at least somewhat.

[eggsalad]

Thanks for the input. I wasn't aware that SexLab Aroused has such a system. I guess I shouldn't underestimate what the talented modders here got working behind the scenes. And while the fetish system in SexLab Stories sounds interesting and is partly responsible for making me think about how fetishes would work in SexLab, I feel like tying them to standing stones is somewhat limiting, at least in terms of the kind of experience I want.

 

And I think the main thing that's needed to bring it all together and make an interesting experience out of it, is more hardcore consequences. As far as I know, SexLab Arousal only adds a debuff once you reach different arousal thresholds. While it's certainly inconvenient, there's not a great urgency to do something about it, since you won't even notice it unless you open up your menu. And all you have to do is masturbate once in a while to get rid of that inconvenience. So I feel the kind of mod I want would ideally have more consequences for high arousal (visual effects and the previously mentioned forced events are the only things I can think of right now), and make it more difficult to decrease arousal. For instance, after having a lot of sex, you could find that your character doesn't get satisfied with just masturbating anymore, so masturbating only decreases arousal by a little, she'd need a real partner to get off completely.

[DeepBlueFrog]

Did you also take a look at Hormones?

 

Hormones adds a concept of Libido based on sexual activity, both for high sex drive and abstinence. It also includes comments from other NPCs based on your activity, body changes and a succubus mode centered around the corruption of the player. Hormones also adds reactions from witnesses to sex scenes with the PC - if they see you having sex (or masturbate) in public, they may be tempted to help themselves.

 

Stories's concept is still in early stages and will evolve into something more dynamic later on. I originally planned to have something evolving based on the player's actions but I needed to research how to detect these actions efficiently first - the standing stones allow me to do that for now.

 

I know it is not exactly what you described but the two together comes very close.

[Kuロi]

They're tied to standing stones, but you can, for example, have the Warrior standing stone active with the Mage's stone fetish. But yeah, you can't have more than one fetish at the same time.

 

As for consequences, you have the Immersive Arousal mod that adds new arousal stages as well as buffs/debuffs. You also have Hormones, which adds various effects depending on how much sex do you have in a day. Effects affect your character's shape (more sex = more erotic body, less = less), body color ( more sex = more red, less = more blue, also stats. It's all manageable through an MCM. I don't use it myself because of the consequences.

 

Finally, there's the new Devious Loot. This mod adds Devious Devices stuff to chests in the world. You can equip them out of your own curiosity, or your character may, depending on her arousal, equip it herself (and get stuck in it for a while doing so). You could also give Angrim's Apprentice mod a try. It's a story mod (One of the best ones), but as permanent effect at the end that may or may not actually be good things (need of sex,etc, but good luck playing a pure virgin in that one)

 

There's also a mod adding diseases, and many pregnancy mod, altough I don't think these are what you have in mind as far as consequences go. From my point of view, your mod idea is pretty good, and I can definitely see such a mod in the future (would probably even use it myself, heh) but in the meanwhile, those mods are what's closest to it.

[eggsalad]

Did you also take a look at Hormones?

 

Hormones adds a concept of Libido based on sexual activity, both for high sex drive and abstinence. It also includes comments from other NPCs based on your activity, body changes and a succubus mode centered around the corruption of the player. Hormones also adds reactions from witnesses to sex scenes with the PC - if they see you having sex (or masturbate) in public, they may be tempted to help themselves.

 

Stories's concept is still in early stages and will evolve into something more dynamic later on. I originally planned to have something evolving based on the player's actions but I needed to research how to detect these actions efficiently first - the standing stones allow me to do that for now.

 

I know it is not exactly what you described but the two together comes very close.

 

Didn't know Hormones had that many interesting features. It's actually very close to what I'm looking for, only thing I'd lack with that is something that makes it hard to remain pure. Not just installing a combat rape mod and setting difficulty to legendary, but something that gives the experience of gradually falling victim to your desires.

 

I'm quite interested to see where you'll take Stories, just like I've been watching your other mods with great interest. My only fear is that all these ambitious projects might be too much for one man to handle.

[DeepBlueFrog]

It is actually hard to remain pure with Hormones, especially if you are running several SexLab mods together.

 

SexLab Aroused (a requirement for Hormones) has an option for rape if a nearby NPC is aroused enough.

SexLab Release triggers masturbation when the player is aroused enough.

Then you have other mods that add various forms of attack - Defeat, Submit, Devious Devices, SD, etc...

 

With that in place, trying to remain pure for a few days is a difficult challenge (unless you increase the triggers in Hormones to redefine what 'pure' means... like number of days without sex to define low activity or number of sex acts to define high activity).

[Dasypygal]

SexLab Aroused (a requirement for Hormones) has an option for rape if a nearby NPC is aroused enough.

 

Are you sure?  I thought that's what Lover's Victim does.