CTD on a quite specific location

[Ishayu]

Hello there!

 

I've got a wee bit of a problem here which I've been trying to fix for a while. I'll happily admit that the amount of mods I run is criminally insane at this time, but my problem is actually very, very specific. For the most part I have a quite stable and enjoyable experience.

 

The problem occurs right around the Brood Cavern. I noticed it when going to Dead Man's Respite. It occurs from all angles, and the exact zone I crash on varies a little bit, as if there's some NPC moving around out there that will crash my game as soon as I load the cell in which that NPC exists, if that makes sense.

 

Every time I get the crash, I notice the following line right before the crash:

[04/11/2014 - 10:01:38PM] ERROR: Cannot call AddItem() on a None object, aborting function call
stack:
    [iAAdminQuest (14014835)].ecks_iadistributionscript.DistributeArmors() - "Ecks_IADistributionScript.psc" Line 5616
    [iAAdminQuest (14014835)].IAStartupQuestScript.OnUpdate() - "IAStartupQuestScript.psc" Line 142

I know what that is. That is Immersive Armors! It appears like there's an NPC out there which this script is trying to give an item, but it can't, because the creature is a none object? I don't know exactly what that means, but this is what I've observed.

 

I've tried resetting the saves' cells but it insists on spawning the creature there and I don't know why.

 

My load order is run through LOOT 0.5.0, and here it is:

 

=== Current Bash Tags:

 

* Skyrim.esm
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* Update.esm
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* Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
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* mjhKhajiitSpeak.esp
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* mjhKhajiitSpeakDLC - Dawnguard.esp
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* BetterQuestObjectives-Hearthfire.esp
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* mjhKhajiitSpeakDLC - Hearthfire.esp
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* MFVM_Hearthfire_Patch.esp
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* RaceMenu.esp
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* Requiem - Dragonborn.esp
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* Brawl Bugs CE.esp
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* CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
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* BetterQuestObjectives.esp
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* BetterQuestObjectives-Dawnguard.esp
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* Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp
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* Better Dynamic Snow.esp
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* Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
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* Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
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* Helgen Reborn.esp
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* Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
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* Immersive Weapons.esp
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* Requiem - Immersive Weapons.esp
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* AOS2_Requiem1.7.3 Patch.esp
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* Requiem - SIC Patch.esp
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* Undeath.esp
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* LPBards.esp
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* LocalizedGuildJobs.esp
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* Height Adjusted Races - Morrowind Lore Heights.esp
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* PC Exclusive Animation Path - 0 - Main.esp
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* PC Exclusive Animation Path - RedGuard.esp
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* aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
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* AOS2_GDO Patch.esp
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* BetterQuestObjectives-AMBSkyforgePatch.esp
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* Populated Dungeons Caves Ruins.esp
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* Gold is Septims.esp
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* Requiem - Immersive Armors.esp
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* Requiem - Immersive Armors Battlemage Gear.esp
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* OMageReplacerPack.esp
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* Cloaks.esp
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* StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
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* Animated Enchantments.esp
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* CWIDawnguardPatch.esp
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* CWIDragonbornPatch.esp
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* Requiem - Immersive Armors - Addon.esp
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* SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators-Dragonborn.esp
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* Hunterborn_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
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* NoSneakAttackSound.esp
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* 1nivWICCloaks.esp
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* vImmersiveBeds - HFDG.esp
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* Wrath Of Nature.esp
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* SkyTest RealisticAnimals&Predators - Requiem Patch - HearthFires.esp
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* SkyTest RealisticAnimals&Predators - Requiem Patch - Dragonborn.esp
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* Prisoner Rags Replacement.esp
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* dovahkiinrelax.esp
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* TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
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* mmkhajiithair11.esp
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* Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 2.esp
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* Bashed Patch, 0.esp
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* Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Dragonborn.esp
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* warburg's 3d paper world map - dawnguard.esp
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* ASIS-Dependency.esp
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* ASIS.esp
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The game basically plays fine everywhere else than this one specific location. I've ocationally had other places where this was a problem, but after re-bashing everything was fine again - but this particular place is persistent.

 

Any help is very much appreciated.

 

PS: To my great dismay, removing Immersive Armors does not stop this script.

[laSeek]

You can try enabling the skse mini-dumps & logging - which might give some pointers.

Have you tried opening the console and clicking around - to see if anything unusual appears in the properties panel?

 

I noticed today after reading on SBB that there's a few patches for very specific things on their essential page - take a look - somebody might have stumbled over it before you and come up with a fix

[Ishayu]

Hey, thanks for responding.

THe SKSE minidumps reveal error 0xC0000005, which is an exception that occurs when you try to open a virtual address for read/write you don't have access to. Presumably there is either a NULL-write or a file is being opened which doesn't exist. This aligns with the observation in the Papyrus log.

 

I didn't find anything on the SBB page that looks like it might solve this issue, but the list is very long - so I might have missed a detail of one of them that fixes it. Any suggestions which one might help?

[laSeek]

Try removing IA and check you have this in your skse.ini

 

[General]
ClearInvalidRegistrations=1

Which will help clear up any orphaned scripts.  It can take a while for it to complete.

I'm a complele novice when to comes working through these issues in skyrim and it's hit & miss at the mo - maybe one of the old hands has a clearer idea-  but it looks like there's an onUpdate() trying to happen on something that's invalid.

Do you have SOS installed?

 

[Ishayu]

 

Try removing IA and check you have this in your skse.ini

 

[General]
ClearInvalidRegistrations=1

Which will help clear up any orphaned scripts.  It can take a while for it to complete.

I'm a complele novice when to comes working through these issues in skyrim and it's hit & miss at the mo - maybe one of the old hands has a clearer idea-  but it looks like there's an onUpdate() trying to happen on something that's invalid.

Do you have SOS installed?

 

 

Alreaedy was enabled.

 

Here is my current SKSE.ini file:

 

[General]

ClearInvalidRegistrations=1

 

[Display]

iTintTextureResolution=512

 

[Debug]

WriteMinidumps=1

 

[interface]

EnableContainerCategorization=1

I should have included that, apologies.

 

IA was already removed, but I figured that reinstalling it might fix the problem. It didn't. The problem is that the save was originally created with IA by mistake, and I didn't realize until level 6 that it was incompatible. Shortly after removing it, however, a compatibility patch comes out. I've reinstalled that along with IA, but that bug still occurs.

 

In other words I've got a mod-explosion I can't blame any particular modder for. I just need to surgically get in there and remove whatever causes that crash, if possible. It's the only place I crash!

 

Yes, I do have SoS installed. Could that be causing the problem?

[gvman3670]

I've had SoS cause crashes in certain areas more than once. So it wouldn't hurt to deactivate it then see if that helps.

[Ishayu]

It's not SoS. I uninstalled SoS (the correct way) and tried running back there, and it still crashed, still producing the same error message.

 

I tried to make a new game and ran back there again. Exactly the same happened.

 

EDIT: Turns out my Immersive Armors is out of date, even though the version number is the same (V7.1)

I'll try updating that and report back.

[Ishayu]

Note to self: Don't update Immersive Armors. It breaks the game to the point where you can't even save because it's running double Immersive Armors.

 

I made a new save and ran back to the place with 7.1. Still crashes.

[circ]

It's actually not an issue with IA but how NiOverride interacts with IA. I forget the specifics but "something with overlays not something facetints something some mods". Move nioverride.dll to another location and see if you still crash. If you don't, there's your problem. I had it moved for a while until I upgraded to the latest version of RaceMenu and I'm not seeing any crashes at specific locations.

 

Of course, if you're not even using RM or don't have the .dll, I dunno.

[Ishayu]

I'm sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, but I had strayed away from that location and wasn't getting any crashes anymore; figured it was solved but wasn't sure and would hold my breath until I knew better.

 

Unfortunately, after moving NiOverride.dll, I still crash in the exact same spot in the exact same way. It's quite mind-blowing really. The ENTIRE GAME IS 100% STABLE except that one, particular area, and I can't figure out why. Like, I can play for 6+ hours no problem. But if I go exacxtly there, insta-crash.

 

While I appreciate your shot at it, I still need help.