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Vrork

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Hi guys,, my problem this time is that until yesterday, my game was working fine. Today, started my game, loaded my save, and when i go talk to Lydia, i press E and nothing happens. Just the sound that "says" cant do this. If i press and hold e, the command work, but the talk, no luck. So, i tried to hire Jenessa to see if it was a bug with Lydia or all followers. I go, hire her and she stays there. Follower "part" doest work. 

Also, i used the save game cleaner with my save before this beucase i was having CDT on load. But this bug happens even with the older saves.

I had UFO, but unistalled it (following it instructions) and installed AFT to se if it would help, no luck.

 

Here is my mod list (after a run trogh boss)
Active Mod Files:

00  Skyrim.esm
01  Update.esm
02  Dawnguard.esm
03  Dragonborn.esm
04  ApachiiHair.esm
05  ApachiiHairFemales.esm
06  ApachiiHairMales.esm
07  AzarHair.esm
08  RaceCompatibility.esm
09  actorEvents.esm
0A  ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
0B  hdtHighHeel.esm
0C  Perk-Reset-MCM.esm
0D  Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
0E  SexLab.esm  [Version 1.39]
0F  SexLabAroused.esm
10  SPIKE.esm
11  ZaZAnimationPack.esm
12  SharedSeranaDialogue.esm
13  Brawl Bugs CE.esp
14  Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp  [Version 1.3.3c]
15  RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
16  VLCollisionFix.esp
17  Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp  [Version 1.2.4]
18  Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
19  Chesko_Frostfall.esp
1A  AOS.esp
1B  ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp
1C  Cutting Room Floor.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
1D  StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
1E  StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp
1F  StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp
20  AMatterOfTime.esp  [Version 2.00]
21  arrowsmith-dawnguard.esp
22  arrowsstick.esp
23  Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
24  Auto Unequip Helmet.esp
25  Prometheus_BeastSkeletons.esp
26  DragonCrownCraftable.esp
27  EbonyCrownCraftable.esp
28  ElvenCrownCraftable.esp
29  GlassCrownCraftable.esp
2A  HigherLevelEnemies.esp
2B  LoversComfort.esp
2C  LoversVictim.esp
2D  mmbedroll1.esp
2E  morevillageanimals.esp
2F  No DB Mooks.esp
30  PassiveWeaponEnchantmentRecharging.esp
31  Place2Sleep.esp
32  Populated Lands Roads Paths.esp
33  SexLabProcreation.esp
34  SexLabMatchMaker.esp  [Version 5]
35  SexLabSquirt.esp
36  SexLabNudeCreatures.esp
37  Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp  [Version v6.1.3]
38  Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp  [Version v6.1.3]
39  WetandCold.esp
3A  WetandCold - Ashes.esp
3B  RaceMenu.esp
3C  RaceMenuPlugin.esp
3D  RaceMenuMimic.esp
3E  RaceMenuOverlays.esp
3F  SkyUI.esp
40  backpack.esp
41  BlackSacramentArmor.esp
42  Cloaks.esp
43  Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
44  1nivWICCloaks.esp  [Version 2.3]
45  1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp  [Version 2.3]
46  Crossbows_Basic_Collection_EN_LL.esp
47  daedric_phelm.esp
48  DaedricCrownCraftable.esp
49  dragonbonecrossbow.esp
4A  DragonPlateCrownCraftable.esp
4B  Elewin Pumps 2.esp
4C  EliteRogueArmour.esp
4D  FS_UltimateAssortment.esp
4E  hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
4F  Immersive Weapons.esp
50  KTABladeOfWoe.esp
51  lefthandrings.esp  [Version 1.4]
52  lilithsarmor.esp
53  lilithscarver1_0.esp
54  lilithsdisemboweler.esp
55  lilithsobliterator1_0.esp
56  lilithssickle_2_0.esp
57  lilithsslayer.esp
58  LustmordVampireArmor.esp
59  Mavari Armor.esp
5A  Medusa and Drakul Armors.esp
5B  Neo's Kitten.esp
5C  nightingaleshiv.esp
5D  Osare GothicLolita.esp
5E  Ritual Armor of Boethiah.esp
5F  roadsidethief_simple_armor.esp
60  SeraphineHuntedArmor.esp
61  skyforgedShields.esp
62  Skyrim_Strap_Ons.esp
63  sulundo.esp
64  Tribunal Maskes by Zairaam.esp
65  Tribunal Robes by Zairaam.esp
66  True Thief Armor.esp
67  Unique Uniques.esp  [Version 1.5]
68  uniquebows.esp
69  UNP_MothPriest_Fitted_Sandals.esp
6A  VampireLeatherArmorSet.esp
6B  Witch Elf Armour.esp
6C  Witch Of The Wild.esp
6D  WVExpansion.esp
6E  Dr_Bandolier.esp
6F  Dr_BandolierDG.esp
70  calyps-dragonpriestmasks.esp
71  HDT Havok Object.esp
72  Equipping Overhaul.esp
73  SkyRE-Patch.esp
74  Breezehome_Fully_Upgradable_DG.esp
75  buildablehouse.esp
76  Convenient Horse Herding.esp
77  Inconsequential NPCs.esp
78  LocalizedGuildJobs.esp
79  Run For Your Lives.esp  [Version 1.2.4]
7A  When Vampires Attack.esp  [Version 1.1.1]
7B  lightweight potions and poisons.esp
7C  Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp
7D  AncientDBarmorTSedition.esp
7E  betterquestobjectives.esp
7F  Civil War Overhaul.esp
80  FireAndIceOverhaul.esp
81  Headtracking.esp
82  ImmersiveFP.esp
83  Mannequin_Female_Vyctoria.esp
84  MoreTraining_15.esp
85  NPCsMoveatPlayerSpeed.esp
86  Proper Aiming.esp
87  Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
88  SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp
89  SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
8A  SOS - Dawnguard Armors.esp
8B  SOS - Dragonborn Armors.esp
8C  SexLab Horny Followers.esp
8D  SexLab Romance.esp
8E  SexLab Submit.esp
8F  Convenient Horses.esp
90  Convenient Horses - Unique Frost.esp
91  dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
92  dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
93  EstrusChaurus.esp
94  skyforgedWeapons.esp
95  Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp
96  Populated Cities Towns Villages.esp
97  Populated Cities Towns Villages ADD-ON.esp
98  BFT Ships and Carriages.esp
99  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp
9A  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp
9B  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp
9C  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp
9D  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp
9E  ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
9F  ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
A0  Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp
A1  CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
A2  CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp
A3  CoT-WeatherPatch_SupStorms.esp
A4  RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
A5  RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
A6  RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
A7  RND_DrinkingFountains-Patch.esp
A8  RND_USKP-Patch.esp
A9  DVA - Dynamic Vampire Appearance.esp
AA  Better Vampires.esp
AB  Predator Vision.esp
AC  WerewolfMastery.esp
AD  Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
AE  nighteyetoggle.esp
AF  FNISspells.esp
B0  spellsneak.esp
B1  CombatDramaOverhaul.esp
B2  Dual Wield Parrying_RandomAttacks_Dawnguard.esp
B3  DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp
B4  The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp
B5  MorePP.esp
B6  Stealth Skills Rebalanced_COMPLETE.esp
B7  HeartBreaker.esp  [Version 2.0]
B8  SexLab Cumshot.esp  [Version 1.3.3]
B9  AzarHairPonyTail 03 - Havok.esp
BA  ESPv1_1.esp
BB  Inigo.esp
BC  BabetteReplacer.esp
BD  Blaze Of Eventide.esp
BE  Marriable Serana.esp  [Version 1.6.2]
BF  Follower Trap Safety.esp
C0  AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
C1  AFT_NoFriendlySpellDamage.esp
C2  BVLT - Human.esp
C3  DigitigradeKhajiit+ArgonianRaptor.esp
C4  EB-Gender.esp
C5  ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp
C6  TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp
C7  TTYM - Frostfall Module.esp
C8  WATER.esp
C9  WATER Plants.esp
CA  WATER DG.esp
CB  WATER DB Waves.esp
CC  PlayerHomeMapMarkers.esp
CD  DudestiaMultiMarriages.esp
CE  Seductress Serana.esp
CF  Vivid Landscapes.esp
D0  Aradia Kato Outfit.esp
D1  NewmillerDarkVampKnight.esp
D2  Animations.esp
D3  AHZmoreHUD.esp  [Version 1.4.5]
D4  MeridaHair.esp
D5  HARODATH_Slot52Ring.esp
D6  Immersive NPC in the dark.esp
D7  ImportantInformationOverhaul.esp
D8  RND_AnimalLoot.esp
D9  SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp
DA  SexLab Submit Serana.esp
DB  SexLab Warmbodies.esp
DC  SexLabGenderChange.esp
DD  sexlab_WearAndTear.esp
DE  BetterClawsAndGauntlets.esp
DF  SpousesEnhanced.esp
E0  morten.esp
E1  SpousesEnhanced_Serana.esp
E2  KonnektorDragonborn.esp
E3  SexLabDangerousNights.esp
E4  SexLabWerewolves.esp

 
If any of you can sugest a load order, i would thank you a lot. If you can, at least leave a sugestion for organizing this load order.
 

BlackArk

BlackArk

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Get boss and run it for a better but not perfect load order.

 

Try a new save game because sometimes installing or removing mods mid save can mess things up.

germanicus

germanicus

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Here is a good example of a healthy way to categorize your load order:
What I personally do, along with some others, and have been successful with so far (*fingers crossed*) is use a kindergarten approach to load order and try and "group" my mods. Meaning that similar mods are all going together. Essentially you could break my load order down into sections and sub-sections. As an example, here is cross-section of my current mod list:

ESM { 00 Skyrim.esm
ESM { 01 Update.esm
ESM { 02 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
ESM { 03 ETaC RESOURCES.esm
ESM { 04 Omegared99-Compilation.esm

FIXES { 05 HighResTexturePackFix.esp
FIXES { 06 MiscFixRandomCrap.esp
FIXES { 07 Weapons and Armor fixes.esp

GAME STRUCTURE { 09 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
GAME STRUCTURE { 0A SkyUI.esp

CHAR { 0A New Eyes.esp
CHAR { 0E New Hair Styles.esp

LOCATION { 0F ETaC - Villlages Complete.esp
LOCATION { 00 ETaC - Morthal.esp
LOCATION { 00 ETaC Whatever Patches.esp
LOCATION { 10 Rayeks_End.esp

ADDS ITEMS { 11 Weapons and Armor.esp
ADDS ITEMS { 17 Hothtrooper44 Armor Compilation.esp
ADDS ITEMS { 1A Omegared99 Compilation.esp
ADDS ITEMS { 1B More Saddles.esp
ADDS ITEMS { 1C Sabre Fur Bag.esp

ADDS PEOPLE { 00 ETaC Follower.esp

TEXTURES { 1D Better Dynamic Snow.esp
TEXTURES { 1E Enhanced Blood Main.esp
TEXTURES { 1F StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

ENVIRONMENT { 21 ClimatesOfTamriel-Du.esp
ENVIRONMENT { 22 ClimatesOfTamriel-Inter.esp
ENVIRONMENT { 23 MintyLightningMod.esp
ENVIRONMENT { 24 MintyLightningModCOTcompat.esp
ENVIRONMENT { 25 RealRainCoT.esp

GAMEPLAY { 28 UFO Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp
GAMEPLAY { 29 Convient Horses.esp
GAMEPLAY { 30 ACE - A Whole Bunch Of.esp(s)

LASTLY { 44 Bashed Patch.esp

Removed Mods
"So, if you're getting CTDs ONLY when you near a certain place the culprit is typically a mod that was removed. Not one that is installed. Sometimes when you have a save that includes some important whatever from a mod and that mod is later removed, the game is still looking for that important whatever in that location... and when it can't find it - crash.To test this try starting a new game - if you have a clean save on stand-by (which you SHOULD. Seirously.) Then trying running this save. It shouldn't reference the missing object. Travel to where you were getting the crashes to see if they persist.If it doesn't crash, then you get to figure out what it was you removed from the game."

Texture packs
This is HUGE. Skyrim is a 32bit program which means it can only hold 3.5-4.0GB of RAM NO MATTER WHAT. Even if your computer has 100GB of RAM Skyrim can only use 3.5-4.0GB of it. If you exceed this, Skyrim will have infinite loading screens, random CTD's, random freezing, etc... Do you have a lot of high quality textures? Armor packs, UNP/body mods, ground textures, added buildings, added NPC's, water textures, etc... You may be overloading your memory/game. Try uninstalling some and see if this improves (alternative below). Try cutting back on building textures, water textures and rock textures. Also, if you have the free DLC for textures, disable it. It causes more problems than it is worth because of this issue in my opinion.

Reducing the size of textures is CRUCIAL. Mods like Water give an optional file for reduced texture size. These texture are still better than Vanilla Skyrim so I would recommend using those options ANY TIME you see them. Bringing the textures down will reduce CTDs and even boost overall performance with hardly any noticable visuals lost in my opinion. Especially with so many ENB's/lighting mods to make up for the texture being a little smaller.

Script heavy mods/high spawn point mods
Self explanatory. If you have any of these try disabling them and see if your game improves again. Mods like Warzones, ASIS and SkyTEST fall into this category. (while mods like this can be totally fine, such as skyTEST, your system may not be able to handle them.)

Save game file
Your characters save could already be corrupted if you have not paid too close attention to load order/removed mods in the past. If customizing your load order doesn't fix it you may have to start a new game and keep your load order in check going forward. Also, your removed mods have a HUGE effect on your save game file. Try mods on a different save before you decide to keep/remove them so you don't have to add/remove them from your main save file.

"My point is that there is a good chance all that there is a whole bunch of junk still lurking about in your save. Particularly if you've ever run a mod with any new or edited scripts. You can deactive the mod, you can delete the scripts, but if not properly executed, the scripts will keep on keeping on. Waiting to attack, when you least expect it. (There is a way to investigate this also, and I will again direct you to my friend "Google" as the process involves making changes to your .ini file - ALWAYS HAVE A BACKUP). Essentially, YOU might forget about the mod the second it's deleted, but your SAVE remembers."

.ini edits/game integrity
Make sure your .ini edits are all popular ones and not ones known to cause any issues.

Ugridstoload is a common one to cause some problems. I have found a GREAT mod to replace ugridstoload. Go ahead and set your ugrids to load back to 5 and exterior cell buffer back to 36 (make sure you do this as instructed in the "advanced tweaking" section of the guide posted directly below). This mod will do most of what ugrids does without the extra CTD's. May cause some FPS drop but lowering your ugrids back to 5 will raise your FPS. Here is the mod: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/12866 (this mod MAY need some cleaning in tes5edit if you know how)

Also, read ALL the pages in this guide here:
http://www.geforce.com/optimize/guides/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-tweak-guide#8
Focus on reducing as many values as possible, not increasing. I use the pictures/charts provided to get the lowest possible setting with the best quality still in mind. Make sure you read all the pages and not just the first one. There are multiple sections. Doing this will have a huge effect on your game.

CTD solving guide
Go here:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/bbenlibrary/topic/4871296/1/#new
For an EXCELLENT CTD solving guide. The only thing I don't agree with in his posts (that I have noticed) is using BOSS. It has never been nearly as good as just making your own load order like described above IN MY OPINION.

AOP's Dangerous File List
These files WILL crash/currupt your game/save game. DO NOT USE at any cost. Get rid of any you have installed immediately and start a new game if CTD's occur consistently after uninstallation.
List here: http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/906023-aops-dangerous-file-list/

Sorry if you know a lot of this already but from my experiences these have helped me a lot.
Thanks to missjennabee, nonoodles, Brandy_123, and others for some quotes in this useful info.

 

ratrace

ratrace

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Getting rid of orphan scripts is absolutely crucial. These are scripts that belong to mods that have been uninstalled - however the scripts are still in the save and therefore active - it's how Skyrim works.

 

The orphan scripts often refer to content that is no more in the game since the respective mod had been uninstalled, and as soon as the scripts makes Skyrim look for that content and it doesn't find it, Skyrim crashes. Pretty much like germanicus desribed in the "Removed mods" section. There is a safe and tested tool for this here:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/?

 

Used it myself, really does nothing but remove the orphan scripts. Read the manual! But believe me, it takes two clicks and that's it.

 

Also it is absolutely necesssary to clean your mods and the Bethesda masters with Tes5Edit. Wild edits can also crash your game, especially ITMs. Here is a guide:

http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit

 

and Tes5Edit is available here:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/25859/?

 

Finally, I strongly recommend the Unofficial Patch Series, they fix a ton of bugs - these patches need NO CLEANING. Install only those that you have the DLC for. If you have the Legendary Edition (or have bought all DLCs when they came out), you must install all of them:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/19/?

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/23491/?

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/25127/?

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/31083/?

Vrork

Vrork

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Getting rid of orphan scripts is absolutely crucial. These are scripts that belong to mods that have been uninstalled - however the scripts are still in the save and therefore active - it's how Skyrim works.

 

The orphan scripts often refer to content that is no more in the game since the respective mod had been uninstalled, and as soon as the scripts makes Skyrim look for that content and it doesn't find it, Skyrim crashes. Pretty much like germanicus desribed in the "Removed mods" section. There is a safe and tested tool for this here:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/?

 

Used it myself, really does nothing but remove the orphan scripts. Read the manual! But believe me, it takes two clicks and that's it.

 

Also it is absolutely necesssary to clean your mods and the Bethesda masters with Tes5Edit. Wild edits can also crash your game, especially ITMs. Here is a guide:

http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit

 

and Tes5Edit is available here:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/25859/?

 

Finally, I strongly recommend the Unofficial Patch Series, they fix a ton of bugs - these patches need NO CLEANING. Install only those that you have the DLC for. If you have the Legendary Edition (or have bought all DLCs when they came out), you must install all of them:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/19/?

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/23491/?

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/25127/?

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/31083/?

Well, the unoficial patch i alredy use. (i play modded skyrim for a long time, but this bug is the first time.) What I really need now is a help organizing my load order. (BOSS made this mess...) I alredy used the Skyrim Save Cleaner (http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/31724/?)

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