d4nt320 Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 i see people having problem with there load order that is why i create this, this way they will have tips for they load order mods. not all load order work for all people some work for them some not. so this thread will help you have some tips for that. here some load order tips: all work fine, remember some work for you some not. try them all and other thing not save the game only after all your load order are fine. Load Order tips: 00 Oblivion.esm01 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esmx117race.esm--Lovers with PK.esmTamagoClub.esmHiyokoClub.esmLoversCreature.esm--MaternityClothes.esp--TamagoPlayerHUD.espTamagoBreak.espTamagoNews.espTamagoShop.espTamagoTopic.espTamagoConfide.espLoversTamagoClub.espLoversHiyokoShooter.espLoversEncounter.espHiyokoQuestTarget.espHiyokoGenetics.espHiyokoGenerator.espHiyokoGeneratorCreature.espTamagoSetBody.espLoversSetBody.esp <----NOTE: This plugin is outdated. I don't recommend folks use it anymore!LoversAphrodisia.espLoversAphrodisiaHUD.espLoversFSE.espLoversDRader.espLoversRapeman.espLoversSummonRapeman.espLoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.espLoversVoiceSSPplus.espLoversRaperS.espLoversJoburg.espLoversJoburg NoDelay Addon.espLoversJealousy.espLoversBed.espLoversBednonstop.espLoversPayBandit.espLoversPower.espLoversContraception.espLoversNTRburglar.espLovers with PK.espLoversBitch.espLoversCreature.espLovers with PK Extender.espLoversSoundCreature.espLoversCreature_SexualOrgans.espLoversCreature_SexualOrgans_Dogs.espLoversCreatureVoiceForceEnabler.espLoversBrothel.espLoversStopCombatEx.espLoversSpermSplashEx.espLoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.espLoversRapeStruggle.espLoversRapeSlave.espLoversAdultYield.espLoversMagic.espLoversUnicorn.espLoversSlaveTrader.espLSTBravilUnderground.espLoversPayBanditForSlaver.espLoversImmoralSisters.espLoversMS14netori.espLoversSexKariBurne.espPlayerSlaveEncounters_V0.(any).esp--SetBody.esp--Real_Mannequin.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseA00 Hair Modules.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.espx117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp--Bashed Patch, 0.espLoversMB2.espLovers3dorgasmMB2.espLoversIdleAnimsPriority.espLovers3dorgasm.espLoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp ;Oblivion and texture relacer esm comes firstOblivion.esmBeautiful People 2ch-Ed.esmx117race.esmxeorace.esmxeoracex117.esmChocolate Elves.esmMoonshadow Elves - Sc.esmDKImperials.esmDIM Elves Of Lineage II Retex.esmIceElfRace.esmDesuChan's Persocoms RELOADED.esmLattamerv3.esm;lovers with pk and other comes nextLovers with PK.esmTamagoClub.esmHiyokoClub.esmCM Partners.esm;ESP Unoffcial comes first then other will follow like DLC etc..Unofficial Oblivion Patch.espUOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.espDLCShiveringIsles.espUnofficial Shivering Isles Patch.espDLCHorseArmor.espDLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.espDLCOrrery.espDLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.espDLCVileLair.espDLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.espDLCMehrunesRazor.espDLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.espDLCSpellTomes.espDLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.espDLCThievesDen.espDLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.espDLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp ; Not sure what this is you need to explain where you get it what it does.DLCBattlehornCastle.esp ;you will probebly get minor error when frostcrag is loaded with it like the door to mystic emproium is always lockedDLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.espDLCFrostcrag.espDLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.espKnights.espKnights - Unofficial Patch.espDMC Stylish - Specialanims.esp;body replacers texture heavy modsMaleBodyReplacerV5.esp;It will be best you to switch using wreybash and instead of activating these mods you just use the bash in command or you will have may problems running so many;of these races mods at the same time.Abriael_Human.espAos Si.espidkrrr_sarameyesNhairs4originalrace.espBlood Elves.espHidden_Elves.espLycanRace.espNec Mystic High Elf-Remake.espMoonshadow Elves - Sc.espNec Mystic Dark Elf-Remake.espCuteElf11.espShrridan.espAinmhiRace.espTabaxi Race 2.0.espElves Of Lineage II.espLattamerV3_P-rrtyCure_Hair_Module.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.espx117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - Sc.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Dialog.espBeautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Race.espx117Race ENG Race.espIDKRRR_C_race.espidkrrr_sarams_race.espIDKRRR_KFME4rev.espDesuChan's Persocoms RECONSTRUCTED.espDesuChan's Kawa-Khajiits.espDKImperials.espChocolate Elves.espVampire Race Reloaded.espXeniaRace.espAsharasSirensAndTritons.espAhtata Arquamer female got hair.espahtata Ork.espSuccubusRace.espSynx.espX.Races.Comp.esp;Clothing mods or small overhauls who adds armors or weapons.Hentai Mania.espSenTineL's Legendary Weapons And Armors.espApachii_Goddess_Store.espLost Paladins of the Divines.espHentaiMania2.espHentaiMania2_Merged_Hell.espColourwheels Sexy Oblivion OverHaul.esp1SB_RavenousEleganceOutfit.espadelina.espBlackLuster.espDancers clothes.espDBShadowSet_NE.espDiano.espEY_AoD.espEY_Vampirehunter.espEY_BM_Armory.espHentai_CerenityArmor.espHentaiCelestialArmor.espHentaiEveriaArmor.espHentai Compilation.espHentaiSchoolGirlCollection.espHentaiSeraphimArmour.espHentai_Seraphim_Blade.espHentai_SnowFlower.espMHSNKirin.espPlate of the Shadow.espQueensarmory.espShaiyaOutfit.espSorceress_Armors.espSilverlight Armor by Jojjo.espSwordDancer.espUnderworld Armor.espWarglaives by Jojjo v1.0.espAT2 01-Shiki Armor Set.espAT2 02-Shiki Armor Set.espExnemEC_Warrior01.espHentai_Juliet_Uniform.espR18PN - Dancer's Dress.espR18PN - Eisen Platte Armor.espR18PN - Fiona Armor.espR18PN - FuruFuru Armor.espR18PN - Lingeries.espR18PN - Lingeries Plus.espR18PN - Leere Armor.espR18PN - Mina Armor.espR18PN - Schatten lauf Amr.espSchwarzeKatzeArmor.espSexyKunoichi.espGloria Armor.espHentai_AthenaArmour.espSPB Light Armors.esp;CM CompanionsCM Partners.espCM Partners NPC.espCM Partners Extra NPCs.espCM Partner Destara.espCM Partners Friska.espCM Partner Cherise Darkdae.espambreskav02.espA CM Partner - Sah.espcmAbbeyAeryn.espcmBellenia.espcmChocolates.espCM Companion Jessica Alba.espCM Companion Megan Fox.espCM_LoreleiU.espcm lula wild.espCMpartnerTifa.espCM Emilia.espCM Jessica.espCM Partner Kim Kardashian.espCM Partner Kyrie.espCM PARTNER NICOLE.espCM Partner Sheela.espcmSashaSonja.espCM_Dragonchixx.espCM Partner Fiona.espCM Partners DRUM RECONSTRUCTED.espCM Partner Jena.espCM Partner Sandra.espCM Partner Franziska.espCM Partner Isabell.espCM Partner Liana.espCM Partners Belle RECONSTRUCTED.espCM Embla.espCM NOVA.espCM SASHEIRA.espCM SHEILA A.espCM TATIANNA.espMeganCM.espRiverCM2.espAmidalaSaramHair.espAsharasCMPartners.espHigh_Imperial_Trio.espKaleenCMAmelia.espkgt_Avve.espRoseCM.espSarahCM.esp1em_Vilja.esp1em_Vilja_as_Moonshadow_Elf_Stranger.espAliyah.espCompanion_Ab_Human.espCompanion_Ab_Human_2.espCompanion_Ab_Human_3.espCompanion_Ab_Human_4.espcompanion_chocolate.espcompanion_iceelves.espDAValeriaCuteElf.espDAFeria.espDAMeridiaKatrina.espxenia.espCMAllXenius.espxeoice.espDiabloEF 6 in 1.espCM-High Imperial Isabelle.esphentai_Creed.espAT2 Dress Armor Set.espCM_Katzumico.espHentai_CaskerArmor.espAbigail2.espArimerRaceWithWings.espHentaiLiLiCostume.espCM Spica.espCatherineJonesCM.espSheylaCM.espCM ARIANNA MAGE.espcmCherryn.espCM DESTINY BK.espAnnabelleCM.espAAliyahCM.espCMMiko.espAnnaCMpartner3.espcmAshley.espAipersocomcm.espUmaCM.espLindsayCM.espCM_Synx_Sara.espCM Blood Elves.espMarg Lena V2.espcmALiceKaty.espKristenCM3.espCM Vampire Race.espTACMTifaLovehart.espkgt_Yxxe.espCM Athorielle.espCMSuccubusSS&L.esp;Lovers modsMaternityClothes.espTamagoPlayerHUD.espLoversEncounter.espTamagoNews.espTamagoShop.espTamagoTopic.espTamagoConfide.espLoversTamagoClub.espHiyokoGenerator.espLoversFSE.espLoversProstitute.espLoversJoburg.espLoversJoburg NoDelay Addon.espLoversMB2.espLovers3dorgasmMB2.espLoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.espLoversVoiceSSPplus.espLoversRapeSlave.espLoversRaperS.espLoversSlavePlay.espLoversBed.espLoversBedNonStop.espLoversSpermSplashEx.espLoversSoundVolumeDown.espLoversLight.espLoversHideMenus.espLoversNecrophilia.espLoversPower.espLovers with PK.espbashpatch.esp ; you will really need this if you want to run with so many mods activexeosp++.espLoversIdleAnimsPriority.espLoversAnimObjectsPriority.espLovers3dorgasm.esp http://www.mediafire.com/download/24qnic5eea0xcjs/load+order.rar
WineVictor Posted March 5, 2014 Posted March 5, 2014 Hello, thank you for tips and mods collection for inspiration . I've been looking for topic like this, where I would like to ask some questions about mods, load order and bash patch. I would be grateful for tips and help . 1. I encountered many topics, where modders advice to disable all lovers mods for bash patch build. Are there any general rules, which mods should be deactivated before rebuild bash patch? 2. In wrye mods that are mergable light green. Is it safe to merge all these mods or should I carefully choose? 3. I've read about imported mods in wrye and I don't understand it. They have the green dots. What exactly does this mean? How could I use this? 4. I downloaded race mods and companion mods for them. But some companion mods come with their own master file .esm for race (example http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/21471/?tab=1&navtag=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nexusmods.com%2Foblivion%2Fajax%2Fmoddescription%2F%3Fid%3D21471%26preview%3D&pUp=1 ) The race mod have its own .esp file and I'm not sure what to deactivate 5. I saw some loading orders with mods ending _Vwalk.esp what are these mods? Thank you
Leo77 Posted March 5, 2014 Posted March 5, 2014 I'm no expert but i'll try to give you some answers 1. the only mods i heard about that would need this are lovers mods. 2. It should be safe to merge all light green mods, if they are marked light green then the software itself "thinks" that they are mergeable. 3. The green dot in the checkbox beside a mod means that it's merged into the bashed patch. What that means is, that the game sees that particular .esp as deactivated but the changes/additions made by that mod will still be ingame as long as the Bashed Patch is active since the contents of that mod are now a part of the Bashed Patch. This feature allows for more esps to be active than without the use of a bashed patch. 4. I've looked at the readme from Ambreska and in the part where it says what is added you can find the line "Ice elves bei Ozmo". Also, Ice elves are not written in the requirements, so you should be able to have her and the ice elves race ingame just with the esms/esps that come with the Ambreska mod (with the required mods of course). 5. A Quick google search pointed me to this mod http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/28223/?, not sure though since i don't use it and can't verify because the nexus servers are being potato again. EDIT: Verified it just now, it truly is Sensual Walks
rynak777 Posted March 5, 2014 Posted March 5, 2014 1. I encountered many topics, where modders advice to disable all lovers mods for bash patch build. Are there any general rules, which mods should be deactivated before rebuild bash patch? Not so much a general rule, but an understanding why a bashed patch is even needed in the first place - so, it's purpose: 1. Reduce plugin count. This is because if one has 200+ files in oblivion/data, crashes appear and increase in frequence. If you have much fewer mods than this, there is actually no need to merge mods (and i would advice to not do so then, because it takes some complications away, which merged mods introduce (like, you having to remember what's in the bashed patch and so on). 2. Fix oblivion's incompetent modding system, which is unable to let plugins make fine-grained changes - only paint with large brushes so to speak. Explaining this entirely requires a seperate topic, which i will perhaps create soon. But to keep it simple, here's an example: Say a mod changes the eyes of a race. You think it therefore only changes eyes - but noooope: A plugin can only change THE ENTIRE RACE, not individual attributes of it. Same for each NPC. Same for each item. Same for each spell. Same for an entire fucking levelled list. Plugins cannot change individual attributes of things - only entire things. Now, what happens if plugin A changes the eyes of race "foo", and plugin B changes the hairs or race "foo"? Answer: Only the one loaded last will get to change anything, because it'll overwrite any earlier changes to race "foo". Oh, and with only being able to change entire NPCs/Monsters, instead of their attributes - i of course do NOT mean individual NPCs in the gameworld. Nooope - what we're talking about here, is say plugin A changing the speed of "bay horse", and plugin B changing the health of "bay horse". Plugin B loads last, so now all bay horses in the game have different health, but still vanilla speed. This is the kind of stuff which a bashed patch can fix. Even if you don't outrightly merge mods (click "skip" when asked), you can still tell it to look through your mods, search for those conflicting but "mergeable" edits - and then merge them into the bashed patch (so i.e., the bashed patch will then contain "bay horse" with changed speed and health). There are however conflicts which a bashed patch cannot merge, and things it shouldn't try to merge because it can cause all kinds of issues. The thing rule of thumb here is this: SCRIPTS. Anything script heavy has no place in the bashed patch - it can't do any good there anyways, because edits to scripts (programming code) cannot be merged. So in summary: The bashed patch should combine mods that add/change THINGS/OBJECTS. Races and their looks, equipment, random encounters - that kind of stuff. Anything that does not primarily adds/modifies objects/actors in the game, but instead mostly is programming, interface tweaks and the like... doesn't benefit from a bashed patch, and at worst will do harm in there. Because those two "classes" of plugins are so different, you can actually very often entirely seperate them in your loadorder. See here for example: http://www.loverslab.com/topic/28162-newbies-5-simple-ways-to-avoid-most-crashes-and-bugs/ As you can see in the list of plugin-categories, the bashed patch kinda sits right in between the "content" plugins, and the "interface/scripting" plugins and loversPK. I'm not perfectly sure, but if you have your LO like this, it's quite probably that you don't even need to disable plugins before building the patch - because if wrye bash is remotely smart, it won't try to merge things that is later in loadorder than the bashed patch (that would make no fucking sense, after all).
varenne Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 And the most common (and often recommended) version of Wrye Bash used is 295. The included help is an excellent place to do initial research too, to extend your knowledge on how to gradually over time learn to use the intermediate and advanced features. Import is different than merging. See using bash tags also via the help system. You may have already noted some tags with MODs you already have. A little known fact for beginners. You can open your bashed patch.esp in CS/CSE and examine what it includes.
WineVictor Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 Hello varenne, thanks for tips, I really didn't know that.
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